Are you speaking about Warden able to tank a lot of people but to able not kill someone or are you speaking about warden that are tanky but still able to kill someone ?
Texecutioner187 wrote: »Are you speaking about Warden able to tank a lot of people but to able not kill someone or are you speaking about warden that are tanky but still able to kill someone ?
My initial post was referring to DK being able to tank a lot of people but never do damage, literally holding block the entire time. However, your reply makes me curious about the tanky Warden that IS able to kill someone - sounds like it warrants more concern.
I've been finding intrigue in PvP tanking lately and trying to understand how they work, how they can be beaten, etc and I noticed that Permablock tank was practically untouchable(but didn't do any damage however).
They are usefull only if people attack them. If no one attack them, they are just useless.
A tank only character (the best tank is NB, not dk for PvP) is not something you should try to kill.
Texecutioner187 wrote: »Let me start this out by saying that I don't intend on this being a troll thread, but I'm trying to understand their composition so I can better determine how to play against them. I've seen the videos of them just spamming their three skills and holding block but what exactly are they doing with their gear? Just all sturdy gear with block cost reduction jewelry and 100CP into Shadow Ward?
Texecutioner187 wrote: »Yeah I'm not any specific class for this, it's just a general post gathering info. I don't like to be too specific when asking for information because it leaves the discussion open for different responses, which is what I'm looking for now... just all around information.
usmguy1234 wrote: »Texecutioner187 wrote: »Let me start this out by saying that I don't intend on this being a troll thread, but I'm trying to understand their composition so I can better determine how to play against them. I've seen the videos of them just spamming their three skills and holding block but what exactly are they doing with their gear? Just all sturdy gear with block cost reduction jewelry and 100CP into Shadow Ward?
Cough barkskin cough cough
Most_Awesome wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Texecutioner187 wrote: »Let me start this out by saying that I don't intend on this being a troll thread, but I'm trying to understand their composition so I can better determine how to play against them. I've seen the videos of them just spamming their three skills and holding block but what exactly are they doing with their gear? Just all sturdy gear with block cost reduction jewelry and 100CP into Shadow Ward?
Cough barkskin cough cough
If this set is bugged again and has no cool down this is the set that brought all the Immortal DK's their fame, and even to this day the clueless praise them for their skill and use of game mechanics LOL
Spartabunny08 wrote: »Fear from NB. Any unblockable ability will drop block and then you can kill them. Thanks to nerfs there is no permablock anymore, It'll just look that way. See a tank unkillable with 3 or 4 on them and doing no damage to tank, add nightblade fear and bam they're dead. Happens to me all the time. I seen two tanks tethered and they had 4 or 5 on them doing no damage. Slotted my fear and went and used that every time I could, they didn't last long after that...lol
Spartabunny08 wrote: »Fear from NB. Any unblockable ability will drop block and then you can kill them. Thanks to nerfs there is no permablock anymore, It'll just look that way. See a tank unkillable with 3 or 4 on them and doing no damage to tank, add nightblade fear and bam they're dead. Happens to me all the time. I seen two tanks tethered and they had 4 or 5 on them doing no damage. Slotted my fear and went and used that every time I could, they didn't last long after that...lol
Texecutioner187 wrote: »Let me start this out by saying that I don't intend on this being a troll thread, but I'm trying to understand their composition so I can better determine how to play against them. I've seen the videos of them just spamming their three skills and holding block but what exactly are they doing with their gear? Just all sturdy gear with block cost reduction jewelry and 100CP into Shadow Ward?
Texecutioner187 wrote: »Spartabunny08 wrote: »Fear from NB. Any unblockable ability will drop block and then you can kill them. Thanks to nerfs there is no permablock anymore, It'll just look that way. See a tank unkillable with 3 or 4 on them and doing no damage to tank, add nightblade fear and bam they're dead. Happens to me all the time. I seen two tanks tethered and they had 4 or 5 on them doing no damage. Slotted my fear and went and used that every time I could, they didn't last long after that...lol
Is that why someone earlier mentioned NB tanks are tough to fight in PvP? Because they have certain skills that help them when tanking?
Texecutioner187 wrote: »Let me start this out by saying that I don't intend on this being a troll thread, but I'm trying to understand their composition so I can better determine how to play against them. I've seen the videos of them just spamming their three skills and holding block but what exactly are they doing with their gear? Just all sturdy gear with block cost reduction jewelry and 100CP into Shadow Ward?
Spartabunny08 wrote: »Texecutioner187 wrote: »Spartabunny08 wrote: »Fear from NB. Any unblockable ability will drop block and then you can kill them. Thanks to nerfs there is no permablock anymore, It'll just look that way. See a tank unkillable with 3 or 4 on them and doing no damage to tank, add nightblade fear and bam they're dead. Happens to me all the time. I seen two tanks tethered and they had 4 or 5 on them doing no damage. Slotted my fear and went and used that every time I could, they didn't last long after that...lol
Is that why someone earlier mentioned NB tanks are tough to fight in PvP? Because they have certain skills that help them when tanking?
I can't speak from experience on a NB tank. I've been eyeing to make one, haven't gotten around to buying an extra character slot yet. Thing is from a warden, DK tank perspective this is what's been done to bring me down. S&B while blocking can mitigate a ton of damage, when you can't block or heal a tank is in real danger. This is one reason I like the ironblood set. Even in the described situation this set will proc and reduce their damage by 30%, very helpful. A NB tank as you said do have abilities to heal more based upon how many they're fighting, while also damaging them. It's at the very least a most interesting tank. My stamblade is my experience with the NB class. Although I have made my stamblade as tanky as I can. When I cloak I'm over resistance cap, I'm around 3000 wpn dmg and very fast in sneak. I have a very unorthodox stamblade build and ive never had more fun. Strife is a NB ability from mag side that if morphed one direction adds 8% added healing from being slotted does damage and heals on a percentage of damage done over time. With enough spell damage and max mag this is awesome. The reason a NB tank is tough to fight is versatility. As a tank they may actually do the most damage from a tanking pov. If I'm not accurate here please elaborate...
Texecutioner187 wrote: »Spartabunny08 wrote: »Texecutioner187 wrote: »Spartabunny08 wrote: »Fear from NB. Any unblockable ability will drop block and then you can kill them. Thanks to nerfs there is no permablock anymore, It'll just look that way. See a tank unkillable with 3 or 4 on them and doing no damage to tank, add nightblade fear and bam they're dead. Happens to me all the time. I seen two tanks tethered and they had 4 or 5 on them doing no damage. Slotted my fear and went and used that every time I could, they didn't last long after that...lol
Is that why someone earlier mentioned NB tanks are tough to fight in PvP? Because they have certain skills that help them when tanking?
I can't speak from experience on a NB tank. I've been eyeing to make one, haven't gotten around to buying an extra character slot yet. Thing is from a warden, DK tank perspective this is what's been done to bring me down. S&B while blocking can mitigate a ton of damage, when you can't block or heal a tank is in real danger. This is one reason I like the ironblood set. Even in the described situation this set will proc and reduce their damage by 30%, very helpful. A NB tank as you said do have abilities to heal more based upon how many they're fighting, while also damaging them. It's at the very least a most interesting tank. My stamblade is my experience with the NB class. Although I have made my stamblade as tanky as I can. When I cloak I'm over resistance cap, I'm around 3000 wpn dmg and very fast in sneak. I have a very unorthodox stamblade build and ive never had more fun. Strife is a NB ability from mag side that if morphed one direction adds 8% added healing from being slotted does damage and heals on a percentage of damage done over time. With enough spell damage and max mag this is awesome. The reason a NB tank is tough to fight is versatility. As a tank they may actually do the most damage from a tanking pov. If I'm not accurate here please elaborate...
The information you gave was interesting to read. Does this mean(asking everyone) that for a good tank but ALSO damaging one that Nightblade would be a good class? I've gotten moreso onto the direction of just a damn beefy tank but can't imagine not doing damage so hoping to be able to incorporate that also... any suggestions/direction?
I'll admit, i don't PvP much so i know the tank will only be as good as I am, so just looking for ideas of a good foundation... I'll die and learn along the way
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Texecutioner187 wrote: »Let me start this out by saying that I don't intend on this being a troll thread, but I'm trying to understand their composition so I can better determine how to play against them. I've seen the videos of them just spamming their three skills and holding block but what exactly are they doing with their gear? Just all sturdy gear with block cost reduction jewelry and 100CP into Shadow Ward?
DK + lizard is the best for that. Current meta and the immortals gods in PVP. DKs will never answer fearing their class will be nerfed. Currently DKs & NBS are wrecking the battlegrounds ,with DKs alterations to perma block builds , while NBs doing the kills. You need good health regen on top of CC immunity up all the time 2K+ combined with lingering health should be suffice. Mostly CC immunity comes form heavy armor skill. 32k+ resistance. 3k+ crit resistance & 2K health recovery.
Pharia/Fortress+ Impeg + Troll king. Just circle around objects. You need sufficient stamina while blocking. Dont rely on stamina recovery. Stamina wont generate while blocking. Instead stack block costs reduction.
DKs is excellent in resource generation while blocking ( you need to keep up all the time) : -
Helping hands (DK passive) - usually Igneous shield
Battle roar (DK passive) - Technically more return by stacking ultimate generation tools
Constitution (heavy armor passive)
Infused potion enchant.
Stamina steal enchants / poisons
Stamina potions (honorable mention for Immovable potions to avoid CCs through block, which can save stamina as well)
Optional only in case : -
Spell Wall (ultimate) - Free block! And you can weave heavy attacks to return stamina as well
Switching between frost staff / SnB -
Heavy attacks.
Happy trolling.
Siohwenoeht wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Texecutioner187 wrote: »Let me start this out by saying that I don't intend on this being a troll thread, but I'm trying to understand their composition so I can better determine how to play against them. I've seen the videos of them just spamming their three skills and holding block but what exactly are they doing with their gear? Just all sturdy gear with block cost reduction jewelry and 100CP into Shadow Ward?
DK + lizard is the best for that. Current meta and the immortals gods in PVP. DKs will never answer fearing their class will be nerfed. Currently DKs & NBS are wrecking the battlegrounds ,with DKs alterations to perma block builds , while NBs doing the kills. You need good health regen on top of CC immunity up all the time 2K+ combined with lingering health should be suffice. Mostly CC immunity comes form heavy armor skill. 32k+ resistance. 3k+ crit resistance & 2K health recovery.
Pharia/Fortress+ Impeg + Troll king. Just circle around objects. You need sufficient stamina while blocking. Dont rely on stamina recovery. Stamina wont generate while blocking. Instead stack block costs reduction.
DKs is excellent in resource generation while blocking ( you need to keep up all the time) : -
Helping hands (DK passive) - usually Igneous shield
Battle roar (DK passive) - Technically more return by stacking ultimate generation tools
Constitution (heavy armor passive)
Infused potion enchant.
Stamina steal enchants / poisons
Stamina potions (honorable mention for Immovable potions to avoid CCs through block, which can save stamina as well)
Optional only in case : -
Spell Wall (ultimate) - Free block! And you can weave heavy attacks to return stamina as well
Switching between frost staff / SnB -
Heavy attacks.
Happy trolling.
I'm not quite sure why you crusade against dk's but I'd love to live in your world where we can survive, sustain and do damage like you imagine we can.
The only thing I will say to your points is everything you mention is available to every class either through their own passives or plentiful other means (potions and food are not a dk exclusive).
Dk's are standing our ground in the templar's house of nerfs and from our point of view it's been quite long enough since either of our classes have had any love.
P.s. I hate feeding trolls but every once in a while you have to or they'll eat the whole village.
Texecutioner187 wrote: »So if I want to go an extremely tanky but can still dish out damage route, I'm reading that my best bet would be an NB?
Texecutioner187 wrote: »So if I want to go an extremely tanky but can still dish out damage route, I'm reading that my best bet would be an NB?
Dish out damage, no. Do nothing but 3 abilities and be immortal, yes.
The best "tank with damage" you can get is a stamden.