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When are we going to be able to change our stage 4 vampirism appearance?
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✭✭✭✭✭Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Basic pro/con decision making in game play. You want +2 strength? Then the side effect is -2 charisma.
that isn't how this works, cosmetic changes have always been entirely separate from combat and do not affect gameplay in any way outside of changing the appearance of your character. So why should i be forced to look as terrible as i do in stage 4 vampirism when it would be incredibly easy to allow us to choose what stage we appear as? it literally changes nothing except it lets me fix my appearance, so that i am happy with how they look.
So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
This is the crux of it.
IF you believe this, wear your monster sets. If not, dont cry here about what other people want.2 -
How about you can have your way and hide your vampire skins, but when it is daylight in game you all have no choice but to stay as a pile of ash on the floor unplayable? XD
Nah I don't care either way. I made my vampire on pts and edited to make sure she looked nice (well as nice as possible) at all stages but I'm not opposed to being given a hiding option.
Given this has been requested for so long and relatively frequently but we still don't have the option it can only be assumed that this either isn't a priority and won't come any time soon or this is how the devs want it to function and won't change at all as it works as intended.0 -
HankJohnson✭✭The day "hide vampirism" option will be in the game, taking a curse of vampirism would be a mandatory to all builds (in most builds it already mandatory).
It's curse of vampirism. Werewolfs have to be furry, and vampires should look like undead. No other options. All I can think of is make vampirism like werewolf. Toggle it on and off. But passives would be on and off too.Edited by HankJohnson on August 24, 2018 8:38AM6 -
Aesthier✭✭✭✭✭Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Basic pro/con decision making in game play. You want +2 strength? Then the side effect is -2 charisma.
that isn't how this works, cosmetic changes have always been entirely separate from combat and do not affect gameplay in any way outside of changing the appearance of your character. So why should i be forced to look as terrible as i do in stage 4 vampirism when it would be incredibly easy to allow us to choose what stage we appear as? it literally changes nothing except it lets me fix my appearance, so that i am happy with how they look.
So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
No, I want the drawback to be appropriate to the passive.
Show me another awesome passive that completely and totally screws everything you did in character creation because the drawback is a massive visual change. The werewolf doesn't count because it only affects your appearance during the duration of your ultimate.
Vampirism already has multiple drawbacks besides the skin change so the idea of
really has no relevance in regards to the skin.Mattock_Romulus wrote: »So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
Bring a real argument.Edited by Aesthier on August 24, 2018 9:20AM4 -
Didaco✭✭✭✭Oh lord, here we go again.
You know this thread will fill with trolls and mods will close it, right?
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✭✭✭✭✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »
The reasoning is your Curse has consequences. You want to eat your cake without getting fat?
Bad example. You're scarfing down all kinds of unhealthy things every hour or two while running content and don't gain an ounce.
Also, Necromancer Skin. Is it really too much to ask for that without the glowy blue markings?0 -
SilverPaws✭✭✭✭✭I don't know why there are some players that want players who have vampirism to look ugly, even in game we can see that Verandis can hide his vampirism and of course he can, because vampires are masters of illusion magic right ?
And drawbacks of vampirism are the increased fire dmg. In fighters guild you have dawnbreaker and that nice passive on vampires.
Vampire skin is just pure cosmetic. I don't see reason why people could not choose how they want to look in mmo.
And another thing is that vampire skin makes racial tatoos for example on khajiit to be barely visible... Same goes for crown store tatoos.
I like vampire stage 1 on my khajiit, but in stage 3 or 4 it looks just horrible and there is no reason for that.
We all know that vampires survived this all the time, thanks to they're ability to blend into society. And that could hardly work if they looked like monsters yes ?Edited by SilverPaws on August 24, 2018 1:32PM3 -
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If you want to be a Vampire, you're going to look like a Vampire. If you don't want to look like a Vampire, then don't be a Vampire. I don't care about what choice you make. What i care about is people accepting the outcome of their choice.
I don't like the look either, so i choose not to be a Vampire and i live without the passives.
Its very simple.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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SilverPaws✭✭✭✭✭
If you want to be a Vampire, you're going to look like a Vampire. If you don't want to look like a Vampire, then don't be a Vampire. I don't care about what choice you make. What i care about is people accepting the outcome of their choice.
I don't like the look either, so i choose not to be a Vampire and i live without the passives.
Its very simple.
Your arguments are ridiculous.
Why you care about how people want they're vampire characters to look ?
As you said you don't have vampire character so i don't see reason why you should comment here about it.3 -
Balticthunder✭✭✭Cmon, if you want to play big boob princess game, go play BDO for f sake, leave our few last western lore games alone!
But these people will moan and whine till they get what they want. Now hide vampirism, next you dont like to be wolf as werewolves, want to be demon or succubus, then you dont like how particular skills look like, instead of meteor you now want rain of frogs and so on and on, it will never stops.
You dont want to play Elders Scrolls game, you want to play YOUR game, with flying mounts, dragons, big boobs and chainmail bikinis.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have a few vamp characters, and I don't mind the look, in fact I downright prefer stage 2 on some of my toons than how they normally look. Stage 4 is a different question, though as showcased above, it can create interesting looks with certain cotumes/markings combinations. I personally think that things like vampirism, lycanthropy, etc., should not be able to be hidden at all, because they do confer benefits, but also awareness of them can alert enemy players (to use fire/poison), so there is a nice balance to that. However, since the game already offers half-solutions to hiding vampirism, like skins, they might as well take it one step further and offer the option to turn it off entirely.0 -
shadowwraith666✭✭✭✭I quite like how the vampires look in ESO- Vicktor Bloodtail - L42 Argonian Magblade, Werewolf - EP
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ConeOfSilence✭✭✭✭The isn't ESO Twilight, vampires are meant to look horrible Dracula is no catwalk model you know.1 -
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✭ConeOfSilence wrote: »The isn't ESO Twilight, vampires are meant to look horrible Dracula is no catwalk model you know.
but ESO is an MMO which offers a bounty of cosmetic options, the ability to change the skin of our character already exists, so why can't we give players with vampirism the ability to choose what stage our character's vampirism looks like? you can still plainly see that our character is a vampire, but letting me be at stage four while having the cosmetic skin appearance of stage 1 would let me create outfits that don't highlight the harsh paleness of stage four.1 -
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✭Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Basic pro/con decision making in game play. You want +2 strength? Then the side effect is -2 charisma.
that isn't how this works, cosmetic changes have always been entirely separate from combat and do not affect gameplay in any way outside of changing the appearance of your character. So why should i be forced to look as terrible as i do in stage 4 vampirism when it would be incredibly easy to allow us to choose what stage we appear as? it literally changes nothing except it lets me fix my appearance, so that i am happy with how they look.
So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
No, I want the drawback to be appropriate to the passive.
Show me another awesome passive that completely and totally screws everything you did in character creation because the drawback is a massive visual change. The werewolf doesn't count because it only affects your appearance during the duration of your ultimate.
Yes, but the point is that we wolfies lose our passives when the duration ends.
What it comes down to is:
Look horrible- great passives.
Look normal- great passives go away.
Its the same whether you are a vamp or wolfie. The only difference is the duration.
I think there are people here who are objecting to hiding vampirism because many of the vamps make it sound like they want a third choice:
Look normal- great passives.
It doesnt work that way, not with werewolves, and not in the game.
If you feel so strongly about your looks (and believe me, I do understand. Not one single character of mine is a vamp, not because I dont want the passives, but only because I dont want to see them in that condition) then what you should be asking for is that vamp becomes an ultimate like werewolf.
Or, maybe what some appear to be really looking for. Vamp passives without having to be a vamp. But the way things seem, you may have better luck with the first suggestion.
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The lore represents the minority, when authors take liberties to change the status-quo. Having read Bram Stoker's Dracula, the beauty referred to female vampires are pre-transformed, but once they feed, their transformation of a bat-like figure takes over.In vampire lore we find the following descriptions of vampires.
ESO has it right: Stage 1 = normal looking. Stage 4 = appearance change.
If people are upset over the looks of a vampire, just cure the damn thing, but stop asking for Stage 1 appearance for Stage 4 vampirism.
If this doesn't stop, I'm afraid people will ask ZoS to make their vampires sparkle in the sunglight.
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Delpi✭✭✭✭✭I would like to stay in stage 3 but... with the perks of stage 4 lol
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The lore represents the minority, when authors take liberties to change the status-quo. Having read Bram Stoker's Dracula, the beauty referred to female vampires are pre-transformed, but once they feed, their transformation of a bat-like figure takes over.In vampire lore we find the following descriptions of vampires.
ESO has it right: Stage 1 = normal looking. Stage 4 = appearance change.
If people are upset over the looks of a vampire, just cure the damn thing, but stop asking for Stage 1 appearance for Stage 4 vampirism.
If this doesn't stop, I'm afraid people will ask ZoS to make their vampires sparkle in the sunglight.
i am pretty sure that cosmetics throw lore out the window as far as appearances go, so that argument is invalid. and so far all i'm hearing is spite, trying to deny vampire characters a cosmetic alternative, or pure salt from pvp players who want our pasty whiteness to shine like a gem so they know who to slam with dawnbreaker.
most people who "don't support" a cosmetic skin change for vampires are typically doing it to troll or cause frustration or arguments.2 -
albesca✭✭✭✭✭I have no vampire character and don't plan on having one, and I've looked at some stage 4 examples but I don't think they look that bad.
Having said that, I think that some kind of cosmetic that hides vampirism unless the character is in pvp areas or uses vampire abilities could be a solution.PC EU
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✭✭✭✭I now want sparkles on my vampire!!!
..and that majestic sparkling White-Gold Imperial Courser I missed.
I will be on that slow RP walk everywhere I go. Especially in Cyrodiil, so that all may take in my radiant glory of sparkledom! Give me sparkles, or give me death. I will be Barbie's Dream Vampire!
Edited by BigBragg on August 24, 2018 1:14PM2 -
Violynne✭✭✭✭✭
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So the truth comes out.Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »i am pretty sure that cosmetics throw lore out the window as far as appearances go, so that argument is invalid. and so far all i'm hearing is spite, trying to deny vampire characters a cosmetic alternative, or pure salt from pvp players who want our pasty whiteness to shine like a gem so they know who to slam with dawnbreaker.
And we're done here.most people who "don't support" a cosmetic skin change for vampires are typically doing it to troll or cause frustration or arguments.
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So the truth comes out.Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »i am pretty sure that cosmetics throw lore out the window as far as appearances go, so that argument is invalid. and so far all i'm hearing is spite, trying to deny vampire characters a cosmetic alternative, or pure salt from pvp players who want our pasty whiteness to shine like a gem so they know who to slam with dawnbreaker.
And we're done here.most people who "don't support" a cosmetic skin change for vampires are typically doing it to troll or cause frustration or arguments.
feel free to leave. so far you have offered nothing constructive. your entire argument can be summed up as "I don't want vampires to change their appearance because they are supposed to be ugly."
Edited by Matthew_Galvanus on August 24, 2018 1:31PM2 -
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So the truth comes out.Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »i am pretty sure that cosmetics throw lore out the window as far as appearances go, so that argument is invalid. and so far all i'm hearing is spite, trying to deny vampire characters a cosmetic alternative, or pure salt from pvp players who want our pasty whiteness to shine like a gem so they know who to slam with dawnbreaker.
And we're done here.most people who "don't support" a cosmetic skin change for vampires are typically doing it to troll or cause frustration or arguments.
How many people you got in there with you?0 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭TES-lore there are vampires that can go by unnoticed in public. If we used lore though vampires would be super strong especially at night and have the power of invisibility along with the power to turn into mist.
So again...spite.
Jerrypicking much? How long has it been, that your character could see his/her own face?
Every time I craft something, so every time I log on, so pretty much every day. That aside it isn't just the face. Even if it were just the face that doesn't matter. By your logic we might as well not have facial options at all during character creation because when are you ever going to see the face. Just one face fits all and we can pick weight and height.
Nobody has offered a good reason to not allow a cosmetic change to hide vampirism. Some people will tell us if ZoS were going to do it they would have already. That isn't really a reason but at least it might have some truth to it.
With all the things cosmetics can and do hide in this game it seems a bit silly that vampirism is singled out.
The point is, that you insist on several different stories about vampires to apply on the TES story too, while at the same time ignoring one of the most important characteristics: No mirror image - thus no need for vanity. Very simple, not complicated.
So it's not "my logic", that's any problem here. Reasons were given that speak against your proposal, even though I can understand it, but they are purposely ignored. This shows your unwillingness to conduct a reasonable discussion about it.Edited by Kelces on August 24, 2018 1:45PMYou reveal yourself best in how you play.
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✭✭✭✭TES-lore there are vampires that can go by unnoticed in public. If we used lore though vampires would be super strong especially at night and have the power of invisibility along with the power to turn into mist.
So again...spite.
Jerrypicking much? How long has it been, that your character could see his/her own face?
Every time I craft something, so every time I log on, so pretty much every day. That aside it isn't just the face. Even if it were just the face that doesn't matter. By your logic we might as well not have facial options at all during character creation because when are you ever going to see the face. Just one face fits all and we can pick weight and height.
Nobody has offered a good reason to not allow a cosmetic change to hide vampirism. Some people will tell us if ZoS were going to do it they would have already. That isn't really a reason but at least it might have some truth to it.
With all the things cosmetics can and do hide in this game it seems a bit silly that vampirism is singled out.
The point is, that you insist on several different stories about vampires to apply on the one of TES story too, while at the same time ignoring one of the most important one: No mirror image - thus no need for vanity. Very simple, not complicated.
So it's not "my logic", that's any problem here. Reasons were given that speak against your proposal, even though I can understand it, but they are purposely ignored. This shows your unwillingness to conduct a reasonable discussion about it.
Even if there is no mirror image, there is still a viable reason for vanity from a lore perspective. It even already exists in-game. Survival in a social environment with those that aren't cursed. There are many ways illusion magic or even an assistant/friend could help write out the well can't see yourself in a mirror spiel.0 -
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✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »
The lore represents the minority, when authors take liberties to change the status-quo. Having read Bram Stoker's Dracula, the beauty referred to female vampires are pre-transformed, but once they feed, their transformation of a bat-like figure takes over.In vampire lore we find the following descriptions of vampires.
ESO has it right: Stage 1 = normal looking. Stage 4 = appearance change.
If people are upset over the looks of a vampire, just cure the damn thing, but stop asking for Stage 1 appearance for Stage 4 vampirism.
If this doesn't stop, I'm afraid people will ask ZoS to make their vampires sparkle in the sunglight.
i am pretty sure that cosmetics throw lore out the window as far as appearances go, so that argument is invalid. and so far all i'm hearing is spite, trying to deny vampire characters a cosmetic alternative, or pure salt from pvp players who want our pasty whiteness to shine like a gem so they know who to slam with dawnbreaker.
most people who "don't support" a cosmetic skin change for vampires are typically doing it to troll or cause frustration or arguments.
Ironically enough, a lot of those of us who do not want changes to the current system of vampirism argue our cases because we deeply care.
While I myself am not against a skin that just gives you the normal appareance of your character, it would complicate things as that, to far most, would mean that vampirism is now mandatory, which it shouldnt be.
Undeath is the real drawback of Vampirism, and while I myself would like for the weaknesses and strengths to be better tailored so -that- was the main defactor for why people would NOT want vampirism, but alas, that is not truly a thing because we play an MMO.
But Violynne was absolutely correct her, and by dismissing their argument like that you've really only lost a battle yourself.
Vampirism in TES has always been like this. Less strengths and weaknesses in the first stages, but while you go without feeding you become more feral, predatory and dangerous, aka you become stronger and deadlier, but with a cost of your humanity.Nighren - The Shadow StrikerLeader of Bloodlines-- EU --
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