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When are we going to be able to change our stage 4 vampirism appearance?
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Kelces✭✭✭✭✭There is no reason for vampires to be ugly. ESO simply decided to make them so. In vampire lore we find the following descriptions of vampires.
"Young, seductive, sexual and alluring" The Vampyer 1819
"Female Vampires: Beautiful to the point of hypnotic" Dracula 1897
"Ordinary, but often somewhat above average" Blade
"All are beautiful. The transformation enhances their beauty. The older and stronger they get, the less human they look but still remain beautiful." Vampire Diaries
"Cartoon duck" Count Duckula
So the you have to be ugly to gain a bit of power thing doesn't fly.
The other argument that claims it is somehow unfair to hide the abilities holds no water because I can make my sword look like a dagger. I can make my heavy armor look like a chefs outfit. My helmet is invisible. All that is much more deceptive than hiding the fact that you are a vampire.
Only reason left to be against being able to hide vampirism is spite. I don't mind the reason being spite. I am against mount skills being account wide mostly (mostly) out of spite. Just fess up, be honest and tell us you don't think people should be able to hide vampirism because sometimes it's fun to be spiteful. No need to make up excuses about lore and hiding abilities.
Those examples don't describe TES-lore though.You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Zenimax already treats the skin slot as a cosmetic option, and has all the way back to the introduction of Imperial City.1 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »
I can't take people seriously who spell vampirism as "vamparism". Second, being a vampire isn't a cosmetic choice. You want the benefits? You'll get the skin.Facefister wrote: »"I want to be and roleplay but ... without all that roleplay!"
Drink a Bloody Mara, weakling.People against hiding vamparism shouldn't hide their gear behind outfits and costumes nor hide their vamparism behind Skins
Why should you be able to get the benefits of heavy armor and use light armor outfits? Or tank in a bathing robe costume? Secondly, *** off with the grammer correction as the fact that you chose to attack my grammer first speaks more about you than it does me. Also I intentionally misspelled grammer to mess with you since your priorities were a jokeEdited by Aliyavana on August 24, 2018 4:08AM5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Basic pro/con decision making in game play. You want +2 strength? Then the side effect is -2 charisma.
that isn't how this works, cosmetic changes have always been entirely separate from combat and do not affect gameplay in any way outside of changing the appearance of your character. So why should i be forced to look as terrible as i do in stage 4 vampirism when it would be incredibly easy to allow us to choose what stage we appear as? it literally changes nothing except it lets me fix my appearance, so that i am happy with how they look.
So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
Do you use outfits, or costumes? Do you want all the benefits from your gear, but what to look different?
But if you wear a full costume your vampirism is hidden too, just like my heavy armor.
Tell me more about how this full costume that is hiding my heavy armor is also hiding my vampirism. I'll take notes.
I think you look really cool!
There are a lot of costume options.
Some costumes make characters look fatter than they are and those people have to choose a different costume that doesn’t do that... so, choose another costume?
I remember being so excited for the Priest of the Green costume until I bought it and saw that not only did it make my characters look fat, it flattened their behinds as well. So I chose a different costume.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭✭✭✭✭TES-lore there are vampires that can go by unnoticed in public. If we used lore though vampires would be super strong especially at night and have the power of invisibility along with the power to turn into mist.
So again...spite.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."3 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Basic pro/con decision making in game play. You want +2 strength? Then the side effect is -2 charisma.
that isn't how this works, cosmetic changes have always been entirely separate from combat and do not affect gameplay in any way outside of changing the appearance of your character. So why should i be forced to look as terrible as i do in stage 4 vampirism when it would be incredibly easy to allow us to choose what stage we appear as? it literally changes nothing except it lets me fix my appearance, so that i am happy with how they look.
So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
Do you use outfits, or costumes? Do you want all the benefits from your gear, but what to look different?
But if you wear a full costume your vampirism is hidden too, just like my heavy armor.
Tell me more about how this full costume that is hiding my heavy armor is also hiding my vampirism. I'll take notes.
I think you look really cool!
There are a lot of costume options.
Some costumes make characters look fatter than they are and those people have to choose a different costume that doesn’t do that... so, choose another costume?
I remember being so excited for the Priest of the Green costume until I bought it and saw that not only did it make my characters look fat, it flattened their behinds as well. So I chose a different costume.
Thanks man!
Most of the time I don't mind it. I am simply saying that it should be an option with everything else that ZOS has enabled as options for the various cosmetic layers in the game.
I don't even want to get started on costumes...I have dozens and dozens of them. I also wish that the Priest of the Green robes didn't add 50 lbs.1 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭TES-lore there are vampires that can go by unnoticed in public. If we used lore though vampires would be super strong especially at night and have the power of invisibility along with the power to turn into mist.
So again...spite.
Jerrypicking much? How long has it been, that your character could see his/her own face?You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Different franchises, different vampires. If you give those vampires as an example, why did you leave out "Supernatural"?
Edit: Or From Dusk Till Dawn?Edited by Facefister on August 24, 2018 4:14AM0 -
Mattock_Romulus✭✭✭✭✭There is no reason for vampires to be ugly. ESO simply decided to make them so. In vampire lore we find the following descriptions of vampires.
"Young, seductive, sexual and alluring" The Vampyer 1819
"Female Vampires: Beautiful to the point of hypnotic" Dracula 1897
"Ordinary, but often somewhat above average" Blade
"All are beautiful. The transformation enhances their beauty. The older and stronger they get, the less human they look but still remain beautiful." Vampire Diaries
"Cartoon duck" Count Duckula
So the you have to be ugly to gain a bit of power thing doesn't fly.
The other argument that claims it is somehow unfair to hide the abilities holds no water because I can make my sword look like a dagger. I can make my heavy armor look like a chefs outfit. My helmet is invisible. All that is much more deceptive than hiding the fact that you are a vampire.
Only reason left to be against being able to hide vampirism is spite. I don't mind the reason being spite. I am against mount skills being account wide mostly (mostly) out of spite. Just fess up, be honest and tell us you don't think people should be able to hide vampirism because sometimes it's fun to be spiteful. No need to make up excuses about lore and hiding abilities.
All of your examples have one thing in common. They arbitrarily decided how vampires in their setting would look.
ESO has decided that in their setting vampires will be butt arse ugly. If you don't like it then cure it and go play a game where vampires look like sparky little fairies.
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Ofcourse I'll attack the grammar first. If you want a fruitful discussion, then learn to properly articulate yourself. It's like people who are mixing up the term "DD" with "DPS". It gets hilarious when they try to state their issues: "Why is my DPS's DPS so low? my DPS can't out-DPS the DPS check"Why should you be able to get the benefits of heavy armor and use light armor outfits? Or tank in a bathing robe costume? Secondly, *** off with the grammer correction as the fact that you chose to attack my grammer first speaks more about you than it does me. Also I intentionally misspelled grammer to mess with you since your priorities were a joke
Vamparism
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Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Since ZoS already sells Skins that hide vampirism for real money (or by achievements) then i would say there is no reason why cannot sell a Skin that hides vampirism and does nothing else. Give it some fancy name with the word illusion on it and make cash register pump in money. It would sell better than icecream at Alik´r desert on a hot day.
I am ready to use my credit card now.
Take my money! If not.. why u no take my money? 
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✭✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »
Ofcourse I'll attack the grammar first. If you want a fruitful discussion, then learn to properly articulate yourself. It's like people who are mixing up the term "DD" with "DPS". It gets hilarious when they try to state their issues: "Why is my DPS's DPS so low? my DPS can't out-DPS the DPS check"Why should you be able to get the benefits of heavy armor and use light armor outfits? Or tank in a bathing robe costume? Secondly, *** off with the grammer correction as the fact that you chose to attack my grammer first speaks more about you than it does me. Also I intentionally misspelled grammer to mess with you since your priorities were a joke
Vamparism isn't a cosmetic choice.
Language is merely a clumsy, albeit often beautiful, tool of the mind. Its sole purpose is to take a concept that resides within one individual and convey it to the next.
I feel sorry for you if you are going to allow arbitrary rules, that are relatively new in the grand history of the spoken word, be your stumbling block when you clearly are able to grasp what peoples' intentions are in their statements.Edited by BigBragg on August 24, 2018 4:35AM9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »
Ofcourse I'll attack the grammar first. If you want a fruitful discussion, then learn to properly articulate yourself. It's like people who are mixing up the term "DD" with "DPS". It gets hilarious when they try to state their issues: "Why is my DPS's DPS so low? my DPS can't out-DPS the DPS check"Why should you be able to get the benefits of heavy armor and use light armor outfits? Or tank in a bathing robe costume? Secondly, *** off with the grammer correction as the fact that you chose to attack my grammer first speaks more about you than it does me. Also I intentionally misspelled grammer to mess with you since your priorities were a joke
Vamparism isn't a cosmetic choice.
Language is merely a clumsy, albeit often beautiful, tool of the mind. Its sole purpose is to take a concept that resides within one individual and convey it to the next.
I feel sorry for you if you are going to allow arbitrary rules, that are relatively new in the grand history of the spoken word, be your stumbling block when you clearly are able to grasp what peoples' intentions are in their statements.
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✭✭Don't overdo yourself. If someone is trying to discuss about some topic but can't even spell the terms properly, shouldn't be discussing about the topic in the first place.3 -
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✭✭✭You could always feed if the look is that important to you. Yes, you'll lose the benefits of the later stages, but that's kind of the point. Werewolves get hardly any benefit at all from being a werewolf unless they're transformed. None if they don't have it slotted. Vampires, on the other hand, always have some benefit, but the stronger it gets the more unsettling they look."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »Don't overdo yourself. If someone is trying to discuss about some topic but can't even spell the terms properly, shouldn't be discussing about the topic in the first place.
As long as the point is able to be conveyed, there shouldn't be a problem. If grammar is a pain point for you than you may need to get a new set of priorities. We are not being graded for this so its mostly irrelevant.Edited by Aliyavana on August 24, 2018 4:48AM3 -
RavenRoxie✭✭✭✭Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Basic pro/con decision making in game play. You want +2 strength? Then the side effect is -2 charisma.
that isn't how this works, cosmetic changes have always been entirely separate from combat and do not affect gameplay in any way outside of changing the appearance of your character. So why should i be forced to look as terrible as i do in stage 4 vampirism when it would be incredibly easy to allow us to choose what stage we appear as? it literally changes nothing except it lets me fix my appearance, so that i am happy with how they look.
So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
Do you use outfits, or costumes? Do you want all the benefits from your gear, but what to look different?
But if you wear a full costume your vampirism is hidden too, just like my heavy armor.Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Basic pro/con decision making in game play. You want +2 strength? Then the side effect is -2 charisma.
that isn't how this works, cosmetic changes have always been entirely separate from combat and do not affect gameplay in any way outside of changing the appearance of your character. So why should i be forced to look as terrible as i do in stage 4 vampirism when it would be incredibly easy to allow us to choose what stage we appear as? it literally changes nothing except it lets me fix my appearance, so that i am happy with how they look.
So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
Do you use outfits, or costumes? Do you want all the benefits from your gear, but what to look different?
But if you wear a full costume your vampirism is hidden too, just like my heavy armor.
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✭✭✭Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Basic pro/con decision making in game play. You want +2 strength? Then the side effect is -2 charisma.
that isn't how this works, cosmetic changes have always been entirely separate from combat and do not affect gameplay in any way outside of changing the appearance of your character. So why should i be forced to look as terrible as i do in stage 4 vampirism when it would be incredibly easy to allow us to choose what stage we appear as? it literally changes nothing except it lets me fix my appearance, so that i am happy with how they look.
So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
Do you use outfits, or costumes? Do you want all the benefits from your gear, but what to look different?
But if you wear a full costume your vampirism is hidden too, just like my heavy armor.
False. Only if you wear a disguise. Not a costume.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I also thought, you should have to feed to stay in stage IV. I just don't understand how starving made the vamp stronger. If they had to feed to stay in stage IV (and look like stage I), it would make sense
that they would look healthy and be stronger.2 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭There is no reason for vampires to be ugly. ESO simply decided to make them so. In vampire lore we find the following descriptions of vampires.
"Young, seductive, sexual and alluring" The Vampyer 1819
"Female Vampires: Beautiful to the point of hypnotic" Dracula 1897
"Ordinary, but often somewhat above average" Blade
"All are beautiful. The transformation enhances their beauty. The older and stronger they get, the less human they look but still remain beautiful." Vampire Diaries
"Cartoon duck" Count Duckula
So the you have to be ugly to gain a bit of power thing doesn't fly.
The other argument that claims it is somehow unfair to hide the abilities holds no water because I can make my sword look like a dagger. I can make my heavy armor look like a chefs outfit. My helmet is invisible. All that is much more deceptive than hiding the fact that you are a vampire.
Only reason left to be against being able to hide vampirism is spite. I don't mind the reason being spite. I am against mount skills being account wide mostly (mostly) out of spite. Just fess up, be honest and tell us you don't think people should be able to hide vampirism because sometimes it's fun to be spiteful. No need to make up excuses about lore and hiding abilities.
you can also just drink 2 bloody mara and be stage 2. Still have your regen.
I know the stage 4 look is annoying (my chars, all vamps, all the time); but that's just how zos did it and that is that.
This is about the eleventy millionth thread about the same topic, and zos just don't care. They're also not gonna give you a reason, here.
Here, you get all you can eat snark with free salt.Edited by Mureel on August 24, 2018 5:40AM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Any of the cosmetic skins will override vampirism. Not sure if you like the look of any of them, since most are not subtle. The Scalecaller skin is probably the closest to looking normal, just a little pale and has glowing tattoos.0 -
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✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »
Ofcourse I'll attack the grammar first. If you want a fruitful discussion, then learn to properly articulate yourself. It's like people who are mixing up the term "DD" with "DPS". It gets hilarious when they try to state their issues: "Why is my DPS's DPS so low? my DPS can't out-DPS the DPS check"Why should you be able to get the benefits of heavy armor and use light armor outfits? Or tank in a bathing robe costume? Secondly, *** off with the grammer correction as the fact that you chose to attack my grammer first speaks more about you than it does me. Also I intentionally misspelled grammer to mess with you since your priorities were a joke
Vamparism isn't a cosmetic choice.
The DPS/DD thing is cultural. Has been that way as long as people have gamed.
It is just the way it is.
If you know what they mean, no reason to be rude.
You're not here to discuss grammar, or anything other than ESO, and neither is anyone else.1 -
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✭✭DD was and is always the correct term. "DPS" were "introduced" by people with weak knowledge of english. Remember that from my times back in RO.0 -
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✭I'll do my usual and repost my vampire comments from earlier.
I love when people tell me to just put on a helmet, a skin, a costume or wear one of the disguises you get from quests. I am sorry but I did not spend anything less than 10 minutes in character creation screen for any of my characters only to hide my work under some helmet. Nor do I want to look like a character from tron, a fire atronach or a salami. Wearing one of the disguises obtainable from quests even removes all the cosmetics you have added to your character AFTER character creation screen. This can be tattoos, makeup, jewelry, awesome dwemer goggles etc. from the crown store. Obviously I did not spend x amount of minutes creating every single one of my characters only to have makeup and tattoos fade away by becoming a vampire either. Clearly ZOS has no problem in making cosmetics like those overwrite the vamp skin as the bright red lipstick is really visible.
You are told that it is a part of the downsides when choosing to become a vampire, which it clearly is NOT. More vulnerability towards fire damage, lower health recovery and having fighters guild abilities deal significantly more damage towards you (yeah try swallowing a dawnbreaker or silver leash) are the downsides. These downsides even apply to you on stage 1, where you do not have ANY benefits what so ever. You are basically human yet you appear as a vampire and you have the downsides.10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Basic pro/con decision making in game play. You want +2 strength? Then the side effect is -2 charisma.
that isn't how this works, cosmetic changes have always been entirely separate from combat and do not affect gameplay in any way outside of changing the appearance of your character. So why should i be forced to look as terrible as i do in stage 4 vampirism when it would be incredibly easy to allow us to choose what stage we appear as? it literally changes nothing except it lets me fix my appearance, so that i am happy with how they look.
So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
Do you use outfits, or costumes? Do you want all the benefits from your gear, but what to look different?
But if you wear a full costume your vampirism is hidden too, just like my heavy armor.
False. Only if you wear a disguise. Not a costume.RavenRoxie wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Basic pro/con decision making in game play. You want +2 strength? Then the side effect is -2 charisma.
that isn't how this works, cosmetic changes have always been entirely separate from combat and do not affect gameplay in any way outside of changing the appearance of your character. So why should i be forced to look as terrible as i do in stage 4 vampirism when it would be incredibly easy to allow us to choose what stage we appear as? it literally changes nothing except it lets me fix my appearance, so that i am happy with how they look.
So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
Do you use outfits, or costumes? Do you want all the benefits from your gear, but what to look different?
But if you wear a full costume your vampirism is hidden too, just like my heavy armor.Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »Mattock_Romulus wrote: »Basic pro/con decision making in game play. You want +2 strength? Then the side effect is -2 charisma.
that isn't how this works, cosmetic changes have always been entirely separate from combat and do not affect gameplay in any way outside of changing the appearance of your character. So why should i be forced to look as terrible as i do in stage 4 vampirism when it would be incredibly easy to allow us to choose what stage we appear as? it literally changes nothing except it lets me fix my appearance, so that i am happy with how they look.
So you want all the reward without any drawbacks then?
Do you use outfits, or costumes? Do you want all the benefits from your gear, but what to look different?
But if you wear a full costume your vampirism is hidden too, just like my heavy armor.
Not false. I have a vampire character. He wears the Plague Doctor costume. I suppose if you stare at the tips of his fingers during pvp you’ll be able to tell he’s a vampire in heavy armor. (Eye roll)
Now with the outfit system he wears armor head to toe no skin showing. He’s ashamed of the”gift” and he’s sensitive to the sun. See, an rp reason to cover up.Edited by max_only on August 24, 2018 6:28AM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭✭✭I am sorry but I did not spend anything less than 10 minutes in character creation screen for any of my characters only to hide my work under some helmet.
Seriously? You only spent 10 minutes in the character creation screen?
It took my team of plastic surgeons, graphic artists, makeup artists, sculptors, painters and modeling consultants three days just to get the eyebrows right.
Then I went and got infected with vampirism at the first opportunity and spend most of my time in stage 4. "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."7 -
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✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »There are so many outfits that i have to hard pass on with my vampire because he looks so damn ugly. I have never understood why you make players choose between sitting at stage 4 to have the most benefits from their passives, but look ugly as sin, or force us to remain at stage 1 or cure ourselves just so we don't look like a horribly bloated pasty sausage.
You just answered your own question. You don't want to look like a fugly vampire? Get back to stage 1.6 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TES-lore there are vampires that can go by unnoticed in public. If we used lore though vampires would be super strong especially at night and have the power of invisibility along with the power to turn into mist.
So again...spite.
Jerrypicking much? How long has it been, that your character could see his/her own face?
Every time I craft something, so every time I log on, so pretty much every day. That aside it isn't just the face. Even if it were just the face that doesn't matter. By your logic we might as well not have facial options at all during character creation because when are you ever going to see the face. Just one face fits all and we can pick weight and height.
Nobody has offered a good reason to not allow a cosmetic change to hide vampirism. Some people will tell us if ZoS were going to do it they would have already. That isn't really a reason but at least it might have some truth to it.
With all the things cosmetics can and do hide in this game it seems a bit silly that vampirism is singled out.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
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✭✭I want to use me werewolf abilities without looking like a furry fleabag! /tempertantrum.9 -
StamWhipCultist✭✭✭✭✭If zenimax decide to sell us base stage one skins for each race, I would buy them gladly for 2k crowns.0
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