Looks like a lot of "yes" coming from consolers where poisons are still BiS?

I think the proc and refresh rate of poisons is way too low to be useful in PvE. same as bleed from axe type weapons. Most fights doesn't even last long enough for them to trigger once, or even run the full duration.

boss fights, trials, pvp, maybe.... but who gonna bother switching all the time?

Dojohoda wrote: »

I have (rarely) used poisons in pve and my use of poisons is very situational and not because I had forgotten to unslot it, although that could happen. Below is a short list..

1. Never on an infused weapon, I would equip a differently traited weapon if I wanted to use poison.
2. If wearing skoria monster set.. I might slot a double dot poison ( but never on an infused weapon).
3. If I need a resource return, I might slot a poison which provides the desired resource return ( but never on an infused weapon).

Nirnhoned is implied when talking about poison

Srsly? After enchant change, you asking this question man?:)

SquareSausage wrote: »

Sorry, so with enchant change is this how it works?

If you cast a dot from back bar, it will continue to procc that enchant on cooldown even when switched to front bar?

weapon AOE dots.
Basically e-hail and ele blockade. Your class dots won't proc enchants while on the other bar.

In PvE, no.
In PvP, definitely! I have a StamSorc, Marksman & Morag Tong, Asylum Bow w/ Tri-Poison, Crafted, Hindering (Hinders speed, drops both resistances, does health dmg & restores health).

What I find amazing is that folks actually USE those "Crown-Crap" poisons, (& potions). Lol..
Just my 2 Drakes..
Huzzah!

Used to use damage health poisons on bow bar before wolfhunter changes

The_Outsider wrote: »

Looks like a lot of "yes" coming from consolers where poisons are still BiS?

In my case you are correct, since the dlc didnt dropped on the consoles yet i will keep using them

ruikkarikun wrote: »

Srsly? After enchant change, you asking this question man?:)

Console plebs

I only PvE, and that's overland questing rather than competitive or other group play, and haven't used poisons thus far although unlocking them is a part of my advancing in Alchemy. I've always intended to test poisons against enchantments, but have never found the need or time to do so. I wonder if I'm missing out as a result?

Tandor wrote: »

I only PvE, and that's overland questing rather than competitive or other group play, and haven't used poisons thus far although unlocking them is a part of my advancing in Alchemy. I've always intended to test poisons against enchantments, but have never found the need or time to do so. I wonder if I'm missing out as a result?

Personally, especially in PVE, I would say enchants are better. I don't PVP either, been in a few times, but def. a PVE guy.

The thing is if you're a PVE player, your source of poisons is your alchemy ingredients which is just ew - you want those for various potions ideally. Or even to sell because they're worth more to you that way. Whereas Soul Gems... well you can easily steal like 30 in Belkarth every 5 minutes if you aren't already rolling in them.

My problem is poisons only trigger 1 in 5 hits, whereas enchants will always hit.

Alot of poisons also have relatively "useless" for PVE effects like to damage the enemy stamina or magicka, which let's face it, they'll keep attacking anyway in most cases, have you ever seen an NPC run out resources?

The best enchant for damage is Fire and hits at 4000+ at CP160... there are poisons that do more damage - problem is they also take time to do said damage.

Idk, to me personally a 1/5 chance to slow DoT roughly 7000 damage - versus the ability to do a 100% reliable hit at +50% the damage and deal that damage instantly, seems the best for PVE.

That said poisons aren't all about damage - they're more about crippling enemy resources, applying debuffs etc, which is more of a PVP centric thing.

I wouldn't say you're missing out by a longshot.

Depends on the patch. At one time I was using them on almost every character, in summerset I only used them on my stamblade (i think all stam set ups did), as well as our healers occasionally using breach poisons. Don't know about WH setups yet because of well, console lyfe.

TheUrbanWizard wrote: »

Do these changes affect how a berserker glyph on an infused bow would work?

There isn’t even a thing called a Berserker glyph anymore.

TheUrbanWizard wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

TheUrbanWizard wrote: »

Do these changes affect how a berserker glyph on an infused bow would work?

There isn’t even a thing called a Berserker glyph anymore.

Yeah I meant the weapon damage glyph and nm I've researched it

it's worse than a damage enchant.
On DW & bow you go weapon damage enchant on the off hand, but that's pretty much it
Magicka builds do more damage with flame backbar and shock front AFAIK