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Why ZOs is so biased in nerfing sorcs and templars ? Here is why
Priyasekarssk
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Even people decent IQ, will agree that, magplars and mage sorc requires hard CC to play viably in PVP. Light armor lacks the mobility that stam builds have. Magic DKs & NBs can put up a decent fight in PVP or 1VX mainly due to CCs , DK wings & cloaks. You can see how DKs & NBs do this effortlessly. Stamina builds can dodge 100 players in 1 roll dodgeing or cloaking. But light armor shields or templar healings not even hold 2 good people. 1VX is impossible against competent players with magic sorc or magic templars. DK wings is equivalent of 2 Harderned armor. Not only shields , reflects everything straight at your face at your expense. Attack migitation alone 20K for 4 attacks, add your resources on top of it, including ultimates.
Dodgeing >>>>>>>>>>>>> shielding. You can literally dodge 100K+ damage by simply dodgeing.
Many streamers magic sorcs and magic templars are just cannon fodder. ZOs want it that way for streamers. ZOs doesnt care about game balance. If they should have make a duel tournaments , make decisons based on real data and facts. Almost top 10 in duelings tournaments are DKs & NBS. ZOs need streamers for marketing and obvious reasons. Streamers dictate which class needs to nerfed and which class needs buff. They only come here in forums to advise L2P. They themselves dont have confidence , in playing a magic sorc or magic templar and win a dueling tournament or put up a decent 1vx against competent players.
Magic sorc or templar not even had a chance to win against NB & DK , if players know what they are doing. Atleast magic templars have option for healer meta. Sorc has none except converting to stamina sorc and running around the rocks.
Look at the patch notes. There is no chance of magic sorc or templars getting a hard CC, where magic sorcs & templars desperately needed to be even viable to play. Increasing the damage , blah blah will not make a magic sorc or magic templar to be even competitive in PVP. All are just eye wash. These people not even able to think light armor builds cannot out run stamina builds and cannot break free forever with no CC immunity ?
If people think , its going to make magic sorc or magic templars competitive, good luck. Without hard hitting CCs magic sorc or magic templars have zero chance of putting up a decent fight or even competitive in PVP. All comes only next.
Dont worry. Already all BGs are filled with DKs & NBs , with few wardens. Soon magic sorcs & magic templars become rare species. Whom these self proclaimed pros going to kill?
There will be no variety when even everyone is unkillable tanks & invisible NBs. People are not fools. All will follow the meta.Old people will get bored and leave the game. New bies will get pawned again and again they leave too. Anything going against balance will have it consequence. Please make some people who can think about future of the game in game balance.
New bies avoid making magic sorc or magic templar, if you are planning for ESO. You will regret later, when you came to realize it. You are just cannon fodder.
Edited by Priyasekarssk on August 22, 2018 5:48PM Dodgeing >>>>>>>>>>>>> shielding. You can literally dodge 100K+ damage by simply dodgeing.
Many streamers magic sorcs and magic templars are just cannon fodder. ZOs want it that way for streamers. ZOs doesnt care about game balance. If they should have make a duel tournaments , make decisons based on real data and facts. Almost top 10 in duelings tournaments are DKs & NBS. ZOs need streamers for marketing and obvious reasons. Streamers dictate which class needs to nerfed and which class needs buff. They only come here in forums to advise L2P. They themselves dont have confidence , in playing a magic sorc or magic templar and win a dueling tournament or put up a decent 1vx against competent players.
Magic sorc or templar not even had a chance to win against NB & DK , if players know what they are doing. Atleast magic templars have option for healer meta. Sorc has none except converting to stamina sorc and running around the rocks.
Look at the patch notes. There is no chance of magic sorc or templars getting a hard CC, where magic sorcs & templars desperately needed to be even viable to play. Increasing the damage , blah blah will not make a magic sorc or magic templar to be even competitive in PVP. All are just eye wash. These people not even able to think light armor builds cannot out run stamina builds and cannot break free forever with no CC immunity ?
If people think , its going to make magic sorc or magic templars competitive, good luck. Without hard hitting CCs magic sorc or magic templars have zero chance of putting up a decent fight or even competitive in PVP. All comes only next.
Dont worry. Already all BGs are filled with DKs & NBs , with few wardens. Soon magic sorcs & magic templars become rare species. Whom these self proclaimed pros going to kill?
There will be no variety when even everyone is unkillable tanks & invisible NBs. People are not fools. All will follow the meta.Old people will get bored and leave the game. New bies will get pawned again and again they leave too. Anything going against balance will have it consequence. Please make some people who can think about future of the game in game balance.
New bies avoid making magic sorc or magic templar, if you are planning for ESO. You will regret later, when you came to realize it. You are just cannon fodder.
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✭✭✭I thought you uninstalled the game and left the forums. At least that was your statement in the PvP section. I appreciate your post, but since you've uninstalled, I don't understand what you hope to gain with this new thread. Are you re-installing? If so, welcome back!
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✭✭Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.5 -
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✭Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.1 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sorry you feel that way, but as your class representatives I have some questions.
So why don't you like Sorc cc options. Why don't you like the non class skills for cc?
You wish we had in game du toruments?
Also if you are bored have uou you tried something else ESO has to offer. There's lots of options.3 -
Zardayne✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Even people decent IQ, will agree that, magplars and mage sorc requires hard CC to play viably in PVP. Light armor lacks the mobility that stam builds have. Magic DKs & NBs can put up a decent fight in PVP or 1VX mainly due to CCs , DK wings & cloaks. You can see how DKs & NBs do this effortlessly. Stamina builds can dodge 100 players in 1 roll dodgeing or cloaking. But light armor shields or templar healings not even hold 2 good people. 1VX is impossible against competent players with magic sorc or magic templars. DK wings is equivalent of 2 Harderned armor. Not only shields , reflects everything straight at your face at your expense. Attack migitation alone 20K for 4 attacks, add your resources on top of it, including ultimates.
Dodgeing >>>>>>>>>>>>> shielding. You can literally dodge 100K+ damage by simply dodgeing.
Many streamers magic sorcs and magic templars are just cannon fodder. ZOs want it that way for streamers. ZOs doesnt care about game balance. If they should have make a duel tournaments , make decisons based on real data and facts. Almost top 10 in duelings tournaments are DKs & NBS. ZOs need streamers for marketing and obvious reasons. Streamers dictate which class needs to nerfed and which class needs buff. They only come here in forums to advise L2P. They themselves dont have confidence , in playing a magic sorc or magic templar and win a dueling tournament or put up a decent 1vx against competent players.
Magic sorc or templar not even had a chance to win against NB & DK , if players know what they are doing. Atleast magic templars have option for healer meta. Sorc has none except converting to stamina sorc and running around the rocks.
Look at the patch notes. There is no chance of magic sorc or templars getting a hard CC, where magic sorcs & templars desperately needed to be even viable to play. Increasing the damage , blah blah will not make a magic sorc or magic templar to be even competitive in PVP. All are just eye wash. These people not even able to think light armor builds cannot out run stamina builds and cannot break free forever with no CC immunity ?
If people think , its going to make magic sorc or magic templars competitive, good luck. Without hard hitting CCs magic sorc or magic templars have zero chance of putting up a decent fight or even competitive in PVP. All comes only next.
Dont worry. Already all BGs are filled with DKs & NBs , with few wardens. Soon magic sorcs & magic templars become rare species. Whom these self proclaimed pros going to kill?
There will be no variety when even everyone is unkillable tanks & invisible NBs. People are not fools. All will follow the meta.Old people will get bored and leave the game. New bies will get pawned again and again they leave too. Anything going against balance will have it consequence. Please make some people who can think about future of the game in game balance.
New bies avoid making magic sorc or magic templar, if you are planning for ESO. You will regret later, when you came to realize it. You are just cannon fodder.
I think any mag player in light armor has to rely on hard CC in pvp. I play a magden and I too miss having decent CC. I've got my shield but that's it against neverending gap closers and it gets ate up pretty quick. The desto staffs CC is meh..Edited by Zardayne on August 22, 2018 6:06PM4 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Sorry you feel that way, but as your class representatives I have some questions.
So why don't you like Sorc cc options. Why don't you like the non class skills for cc?
You wish we had in game du toruments?
Also if you are bored have uou you tried something else ESO has to offer. There's lots of options.
Sorc CC options ? Ask anyone here whether they are even consider sloting runcage ? Skill was pretty much fine before summerset and no one complained. When they pull out sorc already become a bottom tier . God only know why they nerfed again to 2 seconds , when no one using it.
Please tell magic DKs that fossilize is dodegable next patch. Magic DKs will shares the same fate as magic sorc now. Answers lies there , Why don't you like the non class skills for cc? ESO is great at PVE ateast for solo play with few issues here and there. PVP is garabage, especially balance.Edited by Priyasekarssk on August 22, 2018 6:27PM2 -
usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.15 -
kromegas✭✭✭Yup. Just unsubbed today. Yes I am a Sorc, and I will be back (I hope). I just honestly have not had fun lately. I have 900 CP, been playing since day 1...and idk...the game is seeming like a chore. I still do log in to get my daily reward, pay my dues....again, a chore.
The CCing and proc sets are out of control, the lag is terrible...and the nerf to my favorite character (mag sorc) is just frustrating. No, I could care less about rune cage- but I do want some sort of class CC. I really miss the old crystal frag...
Not trying to upset anyone or cause a rant...idk...I am really bored lately. (Dosent help everyone I used to play with quit last month as well).
You know things are bad when you resort to destiny 2, but hey, at least I have a lot of new stuff to explore since I missed the last 2 DLCs.
Don’t worry though, I am sure Destiny will get on my nerves soon enough and then back to ESO...
One thing I give eso credit for...you always come back.7 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
We can talk about who has to L2P later. you are a greatest pro who have won dueling tournament , with sorcs which even sypher/ kodi could not achieve . How about making fossilize dodgeable in next patch ? Or exchange runcage with fossilize ?
Already many are leaving ESO , some deleting sorcs & few busy in levelling up the NB & DK alts, you come here and put BGs are not filled with NBs & DKs. Excellent , everyone will laugh. We are not fools to play a bottom tier class. No one is. If magic sorc or magic templar is competitive you can play them and teach others.Edited by Priyasekarssk on August 22, 2018 6:26PM0 -
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✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
Why does everyone think Rune Cage was fixed? It's still broken, they just nerfed it so hard that it doesnt matter because no one uses itValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake2 -
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
We can talk about who has to L2P later. you are a greatest pro who have won dueling tournament , with sorcs which even sypher/ kodi could not achieve . How about making fossilize dodgeable in next patch ? Or exchange runcage with fossilize ?
Already many are leaving ESO , some deleting sorcs & few busy in levelling up the NB & DK alts, you come here and put BGs are not filled with NBs & DKs. Excellent , everyone will laugh. We are not fools to play a bottom tier class. No one is. If magic sorc or magic templar is competitive you can play them and teach others.
Do sypher and kodi pay you to talk so highly of them all the time? Or is all this praise voluntary?
Anyway, if I remember correctly, I've seen you pop up in the threads before saying that magsorcs are trash in dueling and only noobs die to magsorcs, and then I remembered where I saw it!
And here's the thread...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426297/mag-sorc-balance-ideas/p1
And your defense of this video was that the opponents were all just "noobs." That seems to be a word that appears frequently in your posts. Anyone can just Ctrl+F on your comments page and find a million and one examples of you calling players noobs because you don't actually know what you're talking about and have no real arguments for your points. Ad hominem will only get you so far (not very, with competent arguers).
So now, hopefully everyone can see that you are absolutely full of crap when you say that magsorc sucks and everyone is leaving the class and game, and only noobs play magsorc. The class is extremely powerful in PvP, and you'd have to be an idiot to not recognize that.13 -
visionality✭✭✭✭✭Hm ... is this troll rant? I have difficulties to follow the argument (if there is one) of OP.9 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
Why does everyone think Rune Cage was fixed? It's still broken, they just nerfed it so hard that it doesnt matter because no one uses itThestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
We can talk about who has to L2P later. you are a greatest pro who have won dueling tournament , with sorcs which even sypher/ kodi could not achieve . How about making fossilize dodgeable in next patch ? Or exchange runcage with fossilize ?
Already many are leaving ESO , some deleting sorcs & few busy in levelling up the NB & DK alts, you come here and put BGs are not filled with NBs & DKs. Excellent , everyone will laugh. We are not fools to play a bottom tier class. No one is. If magic sorc or magic templar is competitive you can play them and teach others.
Do sypher and kodi pay you to talk so highly of them all the time? Or is all this praise voluntary?
Anyway, if I remember correctly, I've seen you pop up in the threads before saying that magsorcs are trash in dueling and only noobs die to magsorcs, and then I remembered where I saw it!
And here's the thread...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426297/mag-sorc-balance-ideas/p1
And your defense of this video was that the opponents were all just "noobs." That seems to be a word that appears frequently in your posts. Anyone can just Ctrl+F on your comments page and find a million and one examples of you calling players noobs because you don't actually know what you're talking about and have no real arguments for your points. Ad hominem will only get you so far (not very, with competent arguers).
So now, hopefully everyone can see that you are absolutely full of crap when you say that magsorc sucks and everyone is leaving the class and game, and only noobs play magsorc. The class is extremely powerful in PvP, and you'd have to be an idiot to not recognize that.
I said win dueling tournaments. Not pondering some noobs that too in 1v1 . Magsorc sucks .
Where is tthe dueling tournament standings ? Putting some garabage videos . All we need a magic sorc win against a good competent player on 1v1 lets say at fengrush level and above.
I can put same mag templars vidoes pondering some noobs. Magic templars Overpowered ? All come and hail.
Pathetic noob . You not even understand or dont have any reading skills or a noob crying for cheese ?
Please dont waste anyone time here. You are not worth it.Edited by Priyasekarssk on August 22, 2018 7:12PM0 -
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
Why does everyone think Rune Cage was fixed? It's still broken, they just nerfed it so hard that it doesnt matter because no one uses itThestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
We can talk about who has to L2P later. you are a greatest pro who have won dueling tournament , with sorcs which even sypher/ kodi could not achieve . How about making fossilize dodgeable in next patch ? Or exchange runcage with fossilize ?
Already many are leaving ESO , some deleting sorcs & few busy in levelling up the NB & DK alts, you come here and put BGs are not filled with NBs & DKs. Excellent , everyone will laugh. We are not fools to play a bottom tier class. No one is. If magic sorc or magic templar is competitive you can play them and teach others.
Do sypher and kodi pay you to talk so highly of them all the time? Or is all this praise voluntary?
Anyway, if I remember correctly, I've seen you pop up in the threads before saying that magsorcs are trash in dueling and only noobs die to magsorcs, and then I remembered where I saw it!
And here's the thread...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426297/mag-sorc-balance-ideas/p1
And your defense of this video was that the opponents were all just "noobs." That seems to be a word that appears frequently in your posts. Anyone can just Ctrl+F on your comments page and find a million and one examples of you calling players noobs because you don't actually know what you're talking about and have no real arguments for your points. Ad hominem will only get you so far (not very, with competent arguers).
So now, hopefully everyone can see that you are absolutely full of crap when you say that magsorc sucks and everyone is leaving the class and game, and only noobs play magsorc. The class is extremely powerful in PvP, and you'd have to be an idiot to not recognize that.
I said win dueling tournaments. Not pondering some noobs. magsorc sucks .
Lol ok bud3 -
XGCAlbatr0ss✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
Why does everyone think Rune Cage was fixed? It's still broken, they just nerfed it so hard that it doesnt matter because no one uses itThestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
We can talk about who has to L2P later. you are a greatest pro who have won dueling tournament , with sorcs which even sypher/ kodi could not achieve . How about making fossilize dodgeable in next patch ? Or exchange runcage with fossilize ?
Already many are leaving ESO , some deleting sorcs & few busy in levelling up the NB & DK alts, you come here and put BGs are not filled with NBs & DKs. Excellent , everyone will laugh. We are not fools to play a bottom tier class. No one is. If magic sorc or magic templar is competitive you can play them and teach others.
Do sypher and kodi pay you to talk so highly of them all the time? Or is all this praise voluntary?
Anyway, if I remember correctly, I've seen you pop up in the threads before saying that magsorcs are trash in dueling and only noobs die to magsorcs, and then I remembered where I saw it!
And here's the thread...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426297/mag-sorc-balance-ideas/p1
And your defense of this video was that the opponents were all just "noobs." That seems to be a word that appears frequently in your posts. Anyone can just Ctrl+F on your comments page and find a million and one examples of you calling players noobs because you don't actually know what you're talking about and have no real arguments for your points. Ad hominem will only get you so far (not very, with competent arguers).
So now, hopefully everyone can see that you are absolutely full of crap when you say that magsorc sucks and everyone is leaving the class and game, and only noobs play magsorc. The class is extremely powerful in PvP, and you'd have to be an idiot to not recognize that.
I said win dueling tournaments. Not pondering some noobs that too in 1v1 . Magsorc sucks .
Where is tthe dueling tournament standings ? Putting some garabage videos . All we need a magic sorc win against a good competent player on 1v1 lets say at fengrush level and above.
I can put same mag templars vidoes pondering some noobs. Magic templars Overpowered ? All come and hail.
Pathetic noob . You not even understand or dont have any reading skills or a noob crying for cheese ?
Please dont waste anyone time here. You are not worth it.
Lol or maybe you just suck with the mag sorc? Any "noob" can wreck house with a mag sorc at the moment lol5 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
Why does everyone think Rune Cage was fixed? It's still broken, they just nerfed it so hard that it doesnt matter because no one uses itThestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
We can talk about who has to L2P later. you are a greatest pro who have won dueling tournament , with sorcs which even sypher/ kodi could not achieve . How about making fossilize dodgeable in next patch ? Or exchange runcage with fossilize ?
Already many are leaving ESO , some deleting sorcs & few busy in levelling up the NB & DK alts, you come here and put BGs are not filled with NBs & DKs. Excellent , everyone will laugh. We are not fools to play a bottom tier class. No one is. If magic sorc or magic templar is competitive you can play them and teach others.
Do sypher and kodi pay you to talk so highly of them all the time? Or is all this praise voluntary?
Anyway, if I remember correctly, I've seen you pop up in the threads before saying that magsorcs are trash in dueling and only noobs die to magsorcs, and then I remembered where I saw it!
And here's the thread...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426297/mag-sorc-balance-ideas/p1
And your defense of this video was that the opponents were all just "noobs." That seems to be a word that appears frequently in your posts. Anyone can just Ctrl+F on your comments page and find a million and one examples of you calling players noobs because you don't actually know what you're talking about and have no real arguments for your points. Ad hominem will only get you so far (not very, with competent arguers).
So now, hopefully everyone can see that you are absolutely full of crap when you say that magsorc sucks and everyone is leaving the class and game, and only noobs play magsorc. The class is extremely powerful in PvP, and you'd have to be an idiot to not recognize that.
I said win dueling tournaments. Not pondering some noobs. magsorc sucks .
Lol ok bud
Just provide any major dueling tournaments post summerset with their class standings on 1v1. Thats all we need. I can provide vidoes mag warden can take on some trash. That doesnt say anything.0 -
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
Why does everyone think Rune Cage was fixed? It's still broken, they just nerfed it so hard that it doesnt matter because no one uses itThestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
We can talk about who has to L2P later. you are a greatest pro who have won dueling tournament , with sorcs which even sypher/ kodi could not achieve . How about making fossilize dodgeable in next patch ? Or exchange runcage with fossilize ?
Already many are leaving ESO , some deleting sorcs & few busy in levelling up the NB & DK alts, you come here and put BGs are not filled with NBs & DKs. Excellent , everyone will laugh. We are not fools to play a bottom tier class. No one is. If magic sorc or magic templar is competitive you can play them and teach others.
Do sypher and kodi pay you to talk so highly of them all the time? Or is all this praise voluntary?
Anyway, if I remember correctly, I've seen you pop up in the threads before saying that magsorcs are trash in dueling and only noobs die to magsorcs, and then I remembered where I saw it!
And here's the thread...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426297/mag-sorc-balance-ideas/p1
And your defense of this video was that the opponents were all just "noobs." That seems to be a word that appears frequently in your posts. Anyone can just Ctrl+F on your comments page and find a million and one examples of you calling players noobs because you don't actually know what you're talking about and have no real arguments for your points. Ad hominem will only get you so far (not very, with competent arguers).
So now, hopefully everyone can see that you are absolutely full of crap when you say that magsorc sucks and everyone is leaving the class and game, and only noobs play magsorc. The class is extremely powerful in PvP, and you'd have to be an idiot to not recognize that.
I said win dueling tournaments. Not pondering some noobs. magsorc sucks .
Lol ok bud
Just provide any major dueling tournaments post summerset with their class standings on 1v1. Thats all we need. I can provide vidoes mag warden can take on some trash. That doesnt say anything.
The video I linked to was made in June of 2018 lol I don't know what else you want.
EDIT: Also, I'd love to see your video of a magwarden taking down trash. Thanks
Edited by Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO on August 22, 2018 7:17PM1 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
Why does everyone think Rune Cage was fixed? It's still broken, they just nerfed it so hard that it doesnt matter because no one uses itThestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
We can talk about who has to L2P later. you are a greatest pro who have won dueling tournament , with sorcs which even sypher/ kodi could not achieve . How about making fossilize dodgeable in next patch ? Or exchange runcage with fossilize ?
Already many are leaving ESO , some deleting sorcs & few busy in levelling up the NB & DK alts, you come here and put BGs are not filled with NBs & DKs. Excellent , everyone will laugh. We are not fools to play a bottom tier class. No one is. If magic sorc or magic templar is competitive you can play them and teach others.
Do sypher and kodi pay you to talk so highly of them all the time? Or is all this praise voluntary?
Anyway, if I remember correctly, I've seen you pop up in the threads before saying that magsorcs are trash in dueling and only noobs die to magsorcs, and then I remembered where I saw it!
And here's the thread...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426297/mag-sorc-balance-ideas/p1
And your defense of this video was that the opponents were all just "noobs." That seems to be a word that appears frequently in your posts. Anyone can just Ctrl+F on your comments page and find a million and one examples of you calling players noobs because you don't actually know what you're talking about and have no real arguments for your points. Ad hominem will only get you so far (not very, with competent arguers).
So now, hopefully everyone can see that you are absolutely full of crap when you say that magsorc sucks and everyone is leaving the class and game, and only noobs play magsorc. The class is extremely powerful in PvP, and you'd have to be an idiot to not recognize that.
I said win dueling tournaments. Not pondering some noobs. magsorc sucks .
Lol ok bud
Just provide any major dueling tournaments post summerset with their class standings on 1v1. Thats all we need. I can provide vidoes mag warden can take on some trash. That doesnt say anything.
The video I linked to was made in June of 2018 lol I don't know what else you want.
EDIT: Also, I'd love to see your video of a magwarden taking down trash. Thanks
Again ? I asked magic sorc win against a well known competent player on 1v1. Please provide a video of it or any top dueling tournaments with class standings. Thats all.Edited by Priyasekarssk on August 22, 2018 7:22PM0 -
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Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
Why does everyone think Rune Cage was fixed? It's still broken, they just nerfed it so hard that it doesnt matter because no one uses itThestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
We can talk about who has to L2P later. you are a greatest pro who have won dueling tournament , with sorcs which even sypher/ kodi could not achieve . How about making fossilize dodgeable in next patch ? Or exchange runcage with fossilize ?
Already many are leaving ESO , some deleting sorcs & few busy in levelling up the NB & DK alts, you come here and put BGs are not filled with NBs & DKs. Excellent , everyone will laugh. We are not fools to play a bottom tier class. No one is. If magic sorc or magic templar is competitive you can play them and teach others.
Do sypher and kodi pay you to talk so highly of them all the time? Or is all this praise voluntary?
Anyway, if I remember correctly, I've seen you pop up in the threads before saying that magsorcs are trash in dueling and only noobs die to magsorcs, and then I remembered where I saw it!
And here's the thread...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426297/mag-sorc-balance-ideas/p1
And your defense of this video was that the opponents were all just "noobs." That seems to be a word that appears frequently in your posts. Anyone can just Ctrl+F on your comments page and find a million and one examples of you calling players noobs because you don't actually know what you're talking about and have no real arguments for your points. Ad hominem will only get you so far (not very, with competent arguers).
So now, hopefully everyone can see that you are absolutely full of crap when you say that magsorc sucks and everyone is leaving the class and game, and only noobs play magsorc. The class is extremely powerful in PvP, and you'd have to be an idiot to not recognize that.
I said win dueling tournaments. Not pondering some noobs that too in 1v1 . Magsorc sucks .
Where is tthe dueling tournament standings ? Putting some garabage videos . All we need a magic sorc win against a good competent player on 1v1 lets say at fengrush level and above.
I can put same mag templars vidoes pondering some noobs. Magic templars Overpowered ? All come and hail.
Pathetic noob . You not even understand or dont have any reading skills or a noob crying for cheese ?
Please dont waste anyone time here. You are not worth it.
Hey man, words hurt.
Just cause you're a bad player who can't kill squirrels with your sorc doesn't mean you need to call people names. But hey, it's ok, if I remember correctly, you also said you were quitting the game like a hundred and fifty times, so don't worry about how bad you are!! The buttons you're looking for are Alt+Q+Q and don't let the door hit you on the way out, buh-bye now.
Oh and I'd love to see you in a duel, you talk a pretty big game calling everyone else a "pathetic noob" and it's really got me curious if you can hold your own. So instead of carrying around fengrush, kodi, and syphers banners, how about you post a video of yourself showing us how it's done, hmm?
Yeah, thought so. Noob.5 -
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✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
Why does everyone think Rune Cage was fixed? It's still broken, they just nerfed it so hard that it doesnt matter because no one uses itThestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
We can talk about who has to L2P later. you are a greatest pro who have won dueling tournament , with sorcs which even sypher/ kodi could not achieve . How about making fossilize dodgeable in next patch ? Or exchange runcage with fossilize ?
Already many are leaving ESO , some deleting sorcs & few busy in levelling up the NB & DK alts, you come here and put BGs are not filled with NBs & DKs. Excellent , everyone will laugh. We are not fools to play a bottom tier class. No one is. If magic sorc or magic templar is competitive you can play them and teach others.
Do sypher and kodi pay you to talk so highly of them all the time? Or is all this praise voluntary?
Anyway, if I remember correctly, I've seen you pop up in the threads before saying that magsorcs are trash in dueling and only noobs die to magsorcs, and then I remembered where I saw it!
And here's the thread...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426297/mag-sorc-balance-ideas/p1
And your defense of this video was that the opponents were all just "noobs." That seems to be a word that appears frequently in your posts. Anyone can just Ctrl+F on your comments page and find a million and one examples of you calling players noobs because you don't actually know what you're talking about and have no real arguments for your points. Ad hominem will only get you so far (not very, with competent arguers).
So now, hopefully everyone can see that you are absolutely full of crap when you say that magsorc sucks and everyone is leaving the class and game, and only noobs play magsorc. The class is extremely powerful in PvP, and you'd have to be an idiot to not recognize that.
I said win dueling tournaments. Not pondering some noobs that too in 1v1 . Magsorc sucks .
Where is tthe dueling tournament standings ? Putting some garabage videos . All we need a magic sorc win against a good competent player on 1v1 lets say at fengrush level and above.
I can put same mag templars vidoes pondering some noobs. Magic templars Overpowered ? All come and hail.
Pathetic noob . You not even understand or dont have any reading skills or a noob crying for cheese ?
Please dont waste anyone time here. You are not worth it.
Hey man, words hurt.
Just cause you're a bad player who can't kill squirrels with your sorc doesn't mean you need to call people names. But hey, it's ok, if I remember correctly, you also said you were quitting the game like a hundred and fifty times, so don't worry about how bad you are!! The buttons you're looking for are Alt+Q+Q and don't let the door hit you on the way out, buh-bye now.
Oh and I'd love to see you in a duel, you talk a pretty big game calling everyone else a "pathetic noob" and it's really got me curious if you can hold your own. So instead of carrying around fengrush, kodi, and syphers banners, how about you post a video of yourself showing us how it's done, hmm?
Yeah, thought so. Noob.
Idek who Kodi is, but Fengrush tends to complain far too much since he's a Stam Sorc main (they tend to be the worst of the bunch for some reason, aside from Templars with a victim complex) and Sypher mainly just plays Fortnite now...I think he logged onto ESO like once very recently.Edited by Valrien on August 22, 2018 7:32PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
Why does everyone think Rune Cage was fixed? It's still broken, they just nerfed it so hard that it doesnt matter because no one uses itThestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
We can talk about who has to L2P later. you are a greatest pro who have won dueling tournament , with sorcs which even sypher/ kodi could not achieve . How about making fossilize dodgeable in next patch ? Or exchange runcage with fossilize ?
Already many are leaving ESO , some deleting sorcs & few busy in levelling up the NB & DK alts, you come here and put BGs are not filled with NBs & DKs. Excellent , everyone will laugh. We are not fools to play a bottom tier class. No one is. If magic sorc or magic templar is competitive you can play them and teach others.
Do sypher and kodi pay you to talk so highly of them all the time? Or is all this praise voluntary?
Anyway, if I remember correctly, I've seen you pop up in the threads before saying that magsorcs are trash in dueling and only noobs die to magsorcs, and then I remembered where I saw it!
And here's the thread...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426297/mag-sorc-balance-ideas/p1
And your defense of this video was that the opponents were all just "noobs." That seems to be a word that appears frequently in your posts. Anyone can just Ctrl+F on your comments page and find a million and one examples of you calling players noobs because you don't actually know what you're talking about and have no real arguments for your points. Ad hominem will only get you so far (not very, with competent arguers).
So now, hopefully everyone can see that you are absolutely full of crap when you say that magsorc sucks and everyone is leaving the class and game, and only noobs play magsorc. The class is extremely powerful in PvP, and you'd have to be an idiot to not recognize that.
I said win dueling tournaments. Not pondering some noobs that too in 1v1 . Magsorc sucks .
Where is tthe dueling tournament standings ? Putting some garabage videos . All we need a magic sorc win against a good competent player on 1v1 lets say at fengrush level and above.
I can put same mag templars vidoes pondering some noobs. Magic templars Overpowered ? All come and hail.
Pathetic noob . You not even understand or dont have any reading skills or a noob crying for cheese ?
Please dont waste anyone time here. You are not worth it.
Hey man, words hurt.
Just cause you're a bad player who can't kill squirrels with your sorc doesn't mean you need to call people names. But hey, it's ok, if I remember correctly, you also said you were quitting the game like a hundred and fifty times, so don't worry about how bad you are!! The buttons you're looking for are Alt+Q+Q and don't let the door hit you on the way out, buh-bye now.
Oh and I'd love to see you in a duel, you talk a pretty big game calling everyone else a "pathetic noob" and it's really got me curious if you can hold your own. So instead of carrying around fengrush, kodi, and syphers banners, how about you post a video of yourself showing us how it's done, hmm?
Yeah, thought so. Noob.
Idek who Kodi is, but Fengrush tends to complain far too much since he's a Stam Sorc main (they tend to be the worst of the bunch for some reason, aside from Templars with a victim complex) and Sypher mainly just plays Fortnite now...I think he logged onto ESO like once very recently.
Back in the day, they were all popular ESO streamers, but you're right, I'm not sure if most of the old streamers are still around. Honestly, I'm only ever on twitch for ESO live. But my point is just that @Priyasekarssk makes a lot of hollow claims with no evidence, and then proceeds to call everyone who disagrees with him/her a noob, and refuses to acknowledge evidence that doesn't support their agenda (the buff-sorcs-forever agenda)4 -
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✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Sorry you feel that way, but as your class representatives I have some questions.
So why don't you like Sorc cc options. Why don't you like the non class skills for cc?
You wish we had in game du toruments?
Also if you are bored have uou you tried something else ESO has to offer. There's lots of options.
Sorc CC options ? Ask anyone here whether they are even consider sloting runcage ? Skill was pretty much fine before summerset and no one complained. When they pull out sorc already become a bottom tier . God only know why they nerfed again to 2 seconds , when no one using it.
Please tell magic DKs that fossilize is dodegable next patch. Magic DKs will shares the same fate as magic sorc now. Answers lies there , Why don't you like the non class skills for cc? ESO is great at PVE ateast for solo play with few issues here and there. PVP is garabage, especially balance.
Calm yourself down little noob. DK's can't root somebody from 1000000 meters away can they. The nerf to runecage was needed. L2P and get good or like eve players say Learn to adapt instead of QQ'ing. You are also not meant to 1vx competent players nobody can unless you got 1xv'd by one which you should not be really calling yourself a competent player.Edited by Kalante on August 22, 2018 7:40PM4 -
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✭Always amusing how the 'mage' class in games attracts more than its fair share of special snowflakes with a victim complex.
Edited by Sylosi on August 22, 2018 7:38PM12 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sorry you feel that way, but as your class representatives I have some questions.
So why don't you like Sorc cc options. Why don't you like the non class skills for cc?
You wish we had in game du toruments?
Also if you are bored have uou you tried something else ESO has to offer. There's lots of options.
Hard CCs
Sorc CC options:
Crystal Blast
Rune Prison
Bolt Escape
Non-Class CC options:
Time Stop
Drain Essence
Destructive Touch
Reverberating Bash
Shield Charge
Dizzying Swing
Scattershot
If I forgot one please tell me (I'm listing unmorphed version if both morphs have the hard CC)
Why I don't like Sorc CC options:
Crystal Blast - this ability has a cast time and is dodgeable; this has a two fold negative effect. If I try to use this ability for burst damage in PvP I've restricted myself to only 1 additional ability because of the cast time and I am providing more than 1 GCD for my opponent to LoS, Purge, or Dodge. This effectively negates an entire combo by one GCD from my opponent.
-there is a heavy opportunity cost for Blast, entirely too much opportunity for my opponent to react to my hard CC, which is horrible for any offensive only hard CC
Rune Prison - better than blast because it can be combined with burst damage, but dodgeable and highly telegraphed
- with everything except Curse (and meteor) being dodgeable, roll Dodge is a one stop shop of Sorcerer counters. With additional nerfed damage, doesn't provide much more utility than the most basic functions.
Bolt Escape: here's a BIG difference between console and PC. Being forced to have the camera aimed at an opponent to streak through them means the camera will always be the exact opposite of where my opponent is once finished. By the time I can move my cross hairs back to my opponent they have already recovered via CC break and repositioning. For console, this is only a mediocre escape tool (gap closers, leash) and needs to be combined with other mobility factors to actually be a viable form of escape. Experience differs on PC where camera speed is practically instant. Not to mention increasing cost can place a sorcerer in a worse situation than when he started.
Non-Class CCs
Most are stamina right off the bat
Vampire CC requires close range, blockable, dodgeable, and requires an AC to not be worthless, very much the antithesis of the sorcerer playstyle.
Time Stop, let's assume everyone has Summerset, highly telegraphed unless in a Zerg, plus using an AoE stun to try and land a combo 4 seconds in is pretty impractical. And as a solo player I find this ability to be pretty worthless on a sorc. What am I supposed to go for? Time Stop, Curse, wait a sec, wrath? Hope you're still in the area! But you probably just rolled outta the AoE...
Destructive Touch - again roll dodgeable, expensive, and low damage. Out of the options it is one of the most picked.
Now just to compare, imo:
Rune Cage vs Petrify - petrify's range limit actually works well with DK's toolkit as if you're able to cast it, you're able to use every ability and land with it. Petrify is unblockable undodgeable adds damage (damage being fire actually helps DK while Sorc is magic does not gain lightning damage bonus) Petrify fits better with DK mantra better than Cage does Sorcs.
Crystal Blast vs Stone Fist - stone fist is instant and will deal more damage, both provide the same CC, only fist can be AC'd and more effectively used for burst combos
Streak vs Unrelenting Grip: both have position elements, both deal damage, Do doesn't have camera movement speed issues, doesn't have an increase in cost - infact will be refunded if it doesn't work, and gives major expedition. Both face terrain issues.
Then DK also has: stun on whip which Sorc has nothing in comparison.
These are the reasons I'm not the biggest fan over the CCs sorcerer's have. I'm more concerned about mag warden though.
I would love duel tournaments, or something like that.3 -
XGCAlbatr0ss✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Sorry you feel that way, but as your class representatives I have some questions.
So why don't you like Sorc cc options. Why don't you like the non class skills for cc?
You wish we had in game du toruments?
Also if you are bored have uou you tried something else ESO has to offer. There's lots of options.
Sorc CC options ? Ask anyone here whether they are even consider sloting runcage ? Skill was pretty much fine before summerset and no one complained. When they pull out sorc already become a bottom tier . God only know why they nerfed again to 2 seconds , when no one using it.
Please tell magic DKs that fossilize is dodegable next patch. Magic DKs will shares the same fate as magic sorc now. Answers lies there , Why don't you like the non class skills for cc? ESO is great at PVE ateast for solo play with few issues here and there. PVP is garabage, especially balance.
Calm yourself down little noob. DK's can't root somebody from 1000000 meters away can they. The nerf to runecage was needed. L2P and get good or like eve players say Learn to adapt instead of QQ'ing. You are also not meant to 1vx competent players nobody can unless you got 1xv'd by one which you should not be really calling yourself a competent player.
They don't NEED to CC someone from range. I HATE when people use "range" as a counter point to Rune Cage being nerfed. Sorc is a ranged class. DK is a melee class. DK CAN have a ranged stun...but they can't follow up so what's the point? Why do you think no one uses Stonefist?
Also 1vX is very possible with most classes but Mag Sorc has lost a lot of that potential. Whether or not you agree with it, 1vX is a thing in this game.
Under the circumstances you describe, it really just sounded like they suck at the game if they couldn't kill you after all of that. I.e., they are awful at following up.XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
Why does everyone think Rune Cage was fixed? It's still broken, they just nerfed it so hard that it doesnt matter because no one uses itThestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Yeah, pretty much. The problem is that stamina classes and nightblades have counters to taking damage in which the number of players attacking you doesn't change your damage mitigation availability. While I do think this is a good feature, it is disappointing that other classes don't have comparable options. It doesn't matter if you have 1 person attacking you or 10, dodge roll will still prevent you from taking damage for a period of time, same with cloak.
On the other hand, shields will prevent a lot of damage in 1v1 situations, but the amount of damage shielded doesn't scale with how many different players are attacking you, so shields are massively countered in 1vX situations.
Shields are iffy against 1 semi competent dps let alone multiple ones. You get a max of 1-2 attacks per shield... in execute range it takes essentially 1 skill to take a shield down.
Should anyone be able to consistently and successfully fight multiple, skilled opponents? If one good sorc can fight off two good anythings, that's a problem. If you are outnumbered against competent players, expect to die no matter what you are or what they are.
To the OPs post, you have zero facts to back up anything you claimed to be true. Show evidence, not just hypothetical numbers and metaphorical situations (but we all know you can't because you're just making things up and using misinformation to try and push your pro-sorc agenda because you're upset that your broken CC got fixed). Your arguments are also false comparatives. Your entire first paragraph is essentially meaningless, "stam can dodge 100 attacks with one dodge roll" ok yeah, good point, so can literally everyone. "Mag sorcs in a 1vX can't hold shields against two good players" also obvious, for the reason I provided above ^.
Your paragraph on the conspiracy behind streamers was amusing, I'll give you that. You also need to provide the evidence to support that the "top 10 are DKs and NBs."
To your point that BGs are filled with DKs and NBs, just wow. You obviously don't play on the same server or in the same MMR as I do, because DKs are far and away the least represented class in BGs. It's like 75% NBs and sorcs, a heavy dose of stam wardens, and templar healbots.
If you don't think magsorc is a powerful class in PvP, I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. It's 100% a L2P issue, there's no reason you should be complaining about the viability of the objectively strongest mag burst class that exists in PvP.
We can talk about who has to L2P later. you are a greatest pro who have won dueling tournament , with sorcs which even sypher/ kodi could not achieve . How about making fossilize dodgeable in next patch ? Or exchange runcage with fossilize ?
Already many are leaving ESO , some deleting sorcs & few busy in levelling up the NB & DK alts, you come here and put BGs are not filled with NBs & DKs. Excellent , everyone will laugh. We are not fools to play a bottom tier class. No one is. If magic sorc or magic templar is competitive you can play them and teach others.
Do sypher and kodi pay you to talk so highly of them all the time? Or is all this praise voluntary?
Anyway, if I remember correctly, I've seen you pop up in the threads before saying that magsorcs are trash in dueling and only noobs die to magsorcs, and then I remembered where I saw it!
And here's the thread...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/426297/mag-sorc-balance-ideas/p1
And your defense of this video was that the opponents were all just "noobs." That seems to be a word that appears frequently in your posts. Anyone can just Ctrl+F on your comments page and find a million and one examples of you calling players noobs because you don't actually know what you're talking about and have no real arguments for your points. Ad hominem will only get you so far (not very, with competent arguers).
So now, hopefully everyone can see that you are absolutely full of crap when you say that magsorc sucks and everyone is leaving the class and game, and only noobs play magsorc. The class is extremely powerful in PvP, and you'd have to be an idiot to not recognize that.
I said win dueling tournaments. Not pondering some noobs that too in 1v1 . Magsorc sucks .
Where is tthe dueling tournament standings ? Putting some garabage videos . All we need a magic sorc win against a good competent player on 1v1 lets say at fengrush level and above.
I can put same mag templars vidoes pondering some noobs. Magic templars Overpowered ? All come and hail.
Pathetic noob . You not even understand or dont have any reading skills or a noob crying for cheese ?
Please dont waste anyone time here. You are not worth it.
Lol or maybe you just suck with the mag sorc? Any "noob" can wreck house with a mag sorc at the moment lol
Hehe noob. Just provide the evidence what I ask. Dont bark like a mentally unstable person. You need mental help.
tell me what other class can do this. Escape a zerg and live.
https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/xi-albatr0ss-ix/video/59080356
Nightblade.
Even if Sorc was the only class that could do this it doesn't make them OP. It just makes them unique. And I can't actually watch the video atm but I'm guessing the "zerg" in question doesn't know what a gap closer is.
That's usually the problem when people call Bolt Escape OP by any means.
Also people far over use the term OP but that's a point of debate for another day.
if u watch the vid yeah i used bolt escape but also, people were ulti dumping me. They were gap cloising and i was bare on resources and was able to outrun/ outlive and turn and nuke a magblade that kept chasing. He couldnt finish me off when i had no resources and 1.5k health.
Possibly yes, not defending them or myself. Was just trying to put in perspective a counter arguement to what the OP was stating. Which was basically that shields are useless and mag sorcs are bad. They are not bad if you know how to play them. They have their pros and their cons, as does every class. Not calling for a nerf or buff to them either. I feel classes are in a better spot now than they have ever been. Outside of magdens that is.1
https://youtu.be/o4Ok7AweyiA
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