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I have yet to aquire a single gold grain.
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SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭your best bet is to do an easy craglorn vet hm like AA and decon the 2 jewelry. not to mention some plunder and its a lot more fun than going around zones harvesting imo0 -
Mephisto939✭✭✭✭
It only takes 8 gold plating to upgrade a ring, so I'm not sure what the point is you're making.Mephisto939 wrote: »The difference is it only takes 8 wax to upgrade an item, or 1 roe to make 4 psijics.
We're talking about refinement, not upgrades.
You have to filet a ton of fish to get one Perfect Roe and you have to refine thousands of leather to get one Dreugh Wax.
At least, that's how it's been for me. YMMV.
8 gold platings = 80 grains or 1200% what it takes to upgrade a piece if clothing. Your drop rate on Roe and Wax is crazy. It''s about 5%. You must not have any skill points in tannin expertise.Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!0 -
Carbonised✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I refined over 3,000 of the platinum dust the other day and only received 7 Chromium grains from all of that.
When I refine 1200 rubedite, I typically get at least 13-20 tempers.
They have it set so you get Chromium grains at half the rate that you gain other tempers and what's worse, is the fact you have to refine those as well.
Jewellery crafting is not worth the time spent on it.
You are vastly exaggerating or outright lying. The gold temper droprate from refining is about 5 %, as has been said, or 1 out of every 200 raw mats. 1200 rubedite would yield 6 tempers on average, so your claim of 20 is more than triple that, and even more, you claim you receive that "typically", which is simply not true.
From my experience chromium grains follow the same pattern of about 5 %, and they also seem to drop at about 20-30 % of all top tier daily crafting writs, so there are definitely more chromium grains available now than before the update, plus a halved upgrade cost.
I'm all for criticism of the jewelrycrafting implementation, but do stick to the actual facts instead of wild hyperbole.
Edited by Carbonised on August 22, 2018 5:15PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »Vet AA is your lord and savior now.
HRC is shorter, and requires less work.0 -
Carbonised✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »Vet AA is your lord and savior now.
HRC is shorter, and requires less work.
Daily writs is the place to get gold grains. I get 1-3 each and every day from doing only 5 jewelrycrafting writs. Plenty faster than doing vAA or vHR I'd say.0 -
Violynne✭✭✭✭✭
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Of course it's crazy, which is why I'm upset over this idiocy of RNG > skill.Mephisto939 wrote: »8 gold platings = 80 grains or 1200% what it takes to upgrade a piece if clothing. Your drop rate on Roe and Wax is crazy. It''s about 5%. You must not have any skill points in tannin expertise.
I'm working toward making a video about the refine rates in the game. I am accumulating 10k each of leather, wood, rock, but not sure about seams since I only recently started getting only platinum (only have about 400 unrefined seams).
I may even throw in some fish.
Then, I'm going to spend hours refining it all.
You can be the judge at how "crazy" it is.
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lagrue✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mephisto939 wrote: »
It only takes 8 gold plating to upgrade a ring, so I'm not sure what the point is you're making.Mephisto939 wrote: »The difference is it only takes 8 wax to upgrade an item, or 1 roe to make 4 psijics.
We're talking about refinement, not upgrades.
You have to filet a ton of fish to get one Perfect Roe and you have to refine thousands of leather to get one Dreugh Wax.
At least, that's how it's been for me. YMMV.
8 gold platings = 80 grains or 1200% what it takes to upgrade a piece if clothing. Your drop rate on Roe and Wax is crazy. It''s about 5%. You must not have any skill points in tannin expertise.
Let's be fair though. Wax and Alloy in particular are used vastly more than Jewelery. Jewelery only occupies 3 slots per character - whereas light/medium can eat up to 7 slots, and heavy/metal can occupy up to 11 slots if you count backbarring dual melee as well.
When you consider that Jewelery is overall less prevalent in your build, and you're likely going to need less of it overall in your career, the longer grind for mats kind of makes sense in a twisted way. If we got Chromium platings as fast other gold mats everybody would be rocking gold jewelry on all 8(15) characters and then the entire jewlery system would basically be trivialized and left behind.
It's also possible that if we got Chromium at that rate, that within months it wouldn't even be able to hold the low 5-8k prices that wax and alloys currently do. It would drop well below that because the game would quickly become saturated with Chromium as people over all wouldn't be able to consume it fast enough.
"You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"0 -
Shantu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I love this game, but Gold jewelry is an over-bloated joke and JC is a stinkfest of game design. And the implementation of RGN throughout ESO is total BS. Why game designers choose to implement ways to frustrate, annoy, and *** people off is anyone's guess. Stop leveraging compulsion and guarantee an honest return for a given amount of effort. Who the hell likes working for a random paycheck.
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geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place1 -
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✭✭✭✭none for me so farTenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis1 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »For some it is really that bad, I have refined 3 since JC release.
I have a friend who is rolling in it. There has to be a luck seed assigned to you account as this would explain why some have great RNG and others suffer.
As a person who has refined 28k ore in one go and got no temperings and never pulled a prefered bis trait anything as well as never seen owned of found a atherial dust i can agreed there has to be a luck stat...
Wife refined 30 ore and got 3 tempers back to back...1 -
Nebthet78✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Carbonised wrote: »I refined over 3,000 of the platinum dust the other day and only received 7 Chromium grains from all of that.
When I refine 1200 rubedite, I typically get at least 13-20 tempers.
They have it set so you get Chromium grains at half the rate that you gain other tempers and what's worse, is the fact you have to refine those as well.
Jewellery crafting is not worth the time spent on it.
You are vastly exaggerating or outright lying. The gold temper droprate from refining is about 5 %, as has been said, or 1 out of every 200 raw mats. 1200 rubedite would yield 6 tempers on average, so your claim of 20 is more than triple that, and even more, you claim you receive that "typically", which is simply not true.
From my experience chromium grains follow the same pattern of about 5 %, and they also seem to drop at about 20-30 % of all top tier daily crafting writs, so there are definitely more chromium grains available now than before the update, plus a halved upgrade cost.
I'm all for criticism of the jewelrycrafting implementation, but do stick to the actual facts instead of wild hyperbole.
Nope.. not lying at all... I've even had guildmates watch me do it and have provided them screenshots of before and after. It's happened on a good number of times. So much so, I often have about 300+ gold mats for the other crafts in my crafting bag even after doing master writs.
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Mephisto939✭✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »For some it is really that bad, I have refined 3 since JC release.
I have a friend who is rolling in it. There has to be a luck seed assigned to you account as this would explain why some have great RNG and others suffer.
As a person who has refined 28k ore in one go and got no temperings and never pulled a prefered bis trait anything as well as never seen owned of found a atherial dust i can agreed there has to be a luck stat...
Wife refined 30 ore and got 3 tempers back to back...
99% chance you don't have the temper expertise passive maxed. Once I had a really bad run, then I realized i had reset my skills and forgot to put points into temper expertise.Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!0 -
Mephisto939✭✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »
It only takes 8 gold plating to upgrade a ring, so I'm not sure what the point is you're making.Mephisto939 wrote: »The difference is it only takes 8 wax to upgrade an item, or 1 roe to make 4 psijics.
We're talking about refinement, not upgrades.
You have to filet a ton of fish to get one Perfect Roe and you have to refine thousands of leather to get one Dreugh Wax.
At least, that's how it's been for me. YMMV.
8 gold platings = 80 grains or 1200% what it takes to upgrade a piece if clothing. Your drop rate on Roe and Wax is crazy. It''s about 5%. You must not have any skill points in tannin expertise.
Let's be fair though. Wax and Alloy in particular are used vastly more than Jewelery. Jewelery only occupies 3 slots per character - whereas light/medium can eat up to 7 slots, and heavy/metal can occupy up to 11 slots if you count backbarring dual melee as well.
When you consider that Jewelery is overall less prevalent in your build, and you're likely going to need less of it overall in your career, the longer grind for mats kind of makes sense in a twisted way. If we got Chromium platings as fast other gold mats everybody would be rocking gold jewelry on all 8(15) characters and then the entire jewlery system would basically be trivialized and left behind.
It's also possible that if we got Chromium at that rate, that within months it wouldn't even be able to hold the low 5-8k prices that wax and alloys currently do. It would drop well below that because the game would quickly become saturated with Chromium as people over all wouldn't be able to consume it fast enough.
I doubt it, More likely it would make jewelry writs feasible instead of the sad joke they are now. Even with the patch it will take 6 times the mats to gold out jewelry vs armor.Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!0 -
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✭✭✭I had 3 legendary grain drops from nearly 1k writs before the update, now I get about 6-8 per day which is ALOT better odds now0 -
KittehWinks✭✭I haven't come across this issue as bad OP. I saved up several jewelry surveys, harvested all the resources, and by the time I finished refining everything I had 8 grains. While that's not amazing results I know what I've got to do to get those precious grains.
You'll see me beeline for any jewelry resource node now that I'm starting to see results.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I honestly think the more you grind the less odds of getting good stuff is.0 -
ResTandRespeC✭✭✭✭I refined over 3,000 of the platinum dust the other day and only received 7 Chromium grains from all of that.
When I refine 1200 rubedite, I typically get at least 13-20 tempers.
They have it set so you get Chromium grains at half the rate that you gain other tempers and what's worse, is the fact you have to refine those as well.
Jewellery crafting is not worth the time spent on it.
I usually get a temper every 300 or so ore so don't feel to bad.0 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've been thinking about ESO droprate, etc. and I honestly don't think its really random. I really wonder if the drop rate "randomness" is a function of time + round robin system with a hard limit on how much of each can drop on the server side. It actually would explain quite a bit about why certain events happen back to back and why certain events do not, multiple of the same drop, plus the huge disparities in rate between players. If this is the case though, then it might be possible to find out how to get the best drop rate of exactly what you want. Personally, I think there are only two random variables in whatever determines drop rate: who gets the drop (round robin) and whether the system should ever drop it (time-based cycle).0 -
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✭✭✭✭Have religiously refined every item I’ve found in each level, (though I don’t specifically farm), many thousands of each building material over the time spent to get to 50, easily in the realm of 10,000+ refined. 9 grains. Ever.
It’s too much, for too little. Players need to feel like they’re working towards something. At this rate, I’ll be able to do my first gold plating at Xmas 2023.
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DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »For some it is really that bad, I have refined 3 since JC release.
I have a friend who is rolling in it. There has to be a luck seed assigned to you account as this would explain why some have great RNG and others suffer.
As a person who has refined 28k ore in one go and got no temperings and never pulled a prefered bis trait anything as well as never seen owned of found a atherial dust i can agreed there has to be a luck stat...
Wife refined 30 ore and got 3 tempers back to back...
I've had my luck be up and down with refining and drops. There was almost an entire year where I didn't get any decent drop, I got rarely any gold tempers from refining (and this was when I was farming a looot), and I still rarely get rosin from refining wood haha. I'd have to say now even I get maybe 1 rosin to every 10 alloy or wax. So I'd have to agree xD
Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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Fairweather Friends
Retired to baby bgs forever. Leave me alone.0 -
dem0n1k✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have been grabbing every seam I see in overland, deconning all jewelry since Summerset & doing daily writs since Summerset... this is my list of platings...
It just makes me sad when I look at the sealed writs.. I should have the platings to do one of them in about 4 years time :P
I currently have 5 gold GRAINS
The 10 grains=1 plating system is terrible. Just make it like all the other crafting systems so it's not such a ludicrous grind. Edited by dem0n1k on August 23, 2018 5:05AMNA Server [PC] -- Mostly Ebonheart Pact, Mostly.0
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