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I have yet to aquire a single gold grain.
Mephisto939
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i maxed jewelry about 2 weeks ago, but have yet to get a single gold grain from refining, writs or decon. Is my RNG just horrible, or is the drop rate really that bad.
Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!
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✭Droprate is pretty awful tbh, think I've had 4 total@Sparr0w so I get the notification
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For some it is really that bad, I have refined 3 since JC release.
I have a friend who is rolling in it. There has to be a luck seed assigned to you account as this would explain why some have great RNG and others suffer.2 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
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redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You will receive a gold grain about 5% of the time from refining if you have all passives for extraction. I'm not sure on the exact rate for writs, but it appears to be about 15% for a gold grain from top tier writs. Others with a larger sample size may be able to give some more accurate numbers.
If your sample size is relatively small, you may not see any gold grains yet. If you keep at it, you'll trend toward these numbers over time.1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have all passives and JC at 50. I farm every day and refine no less than a stack of dust at a time.
Been doing this since JC release every day and have a total of three grains.
There is no shortage of dust just bad grain drop rate.
That is quite a bit less than 5%. PS4 NA.Edited by TequilaFire on August 22, 2018 1:48PM4 -
ganzaeso✭✭✭✭✭Did a large sample yesterday
41 grains out of 7740 dust(Math before coffee, except after 3, is not for me)7 -
Nebthet78✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I refined over 3,000 of the platinum dust the other day and only received 7 Chromium grains from all of that.
When I refine 1200 rubedite, I typically get at least 13-20 tempers.
They have it set so you get Chromium grains at half the rate that you gain other tempers and what's worse, is the fact you have to refine those as well.
Jewellery crafting is not worth the time spent on it.Far too many characters to list any more.13 -
Pyr0xyrecuprotite✭✭✭✭✭Did a large sample yesterday - 41 grains out of 7740 dust
That works out to 1 grain per 189 dust refined - a pretty good rate. My typical rate is one chromium grain per 250 dust refined.
I have also gained some grains from crafting writs since Wolfhunter dropped, but it's definitely a fairly low rate - maybe 10% of writs. This is after doing daily writs on 9 toons (7 of which are now max level). Previously, I think I got one gold grain and maybe 3 purple grains out of about 650 writs, with green and blue grains more common.
On the plus side, at least you only need 4 Chromiums (40 grains) to upgrade now, rather than the original amount (8 refined tempers assuming maxed passives). That said, it's still cheaper to do vet trials or even buy from the Golden than to create your own gold jewelry - for the moment. Gold grains will eventually become cheaper though.0 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I refined over 3,000 of the platinum dust the other day and only received 7 Chromium grains from all of that.
When I refine 1200 rubedite, I typically get at least 13-20 tempers.
They have it set so you get Chromium grains at half the rate that you gain other tempers and what's worse, is the fact you have to refine those as well.
Jewellery crafting is not worth the time spent on it.
The gold mat extraction rate for all crafts appears to be 5% across the board. If you are gaining 20 tempering alloy from 1200 ore, that is probably just fantastic RNG over a small sample size as your expected return would be 6. Your expected return from 3000 dust would be 15 so your example of 7 is just bad RNG. Sometimes you will get more, sometimes less. That's how the system works.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Last 'free ESO+' week, I refined all the JC mats that I'd collected (on my not-yet-maxed JC with max refining passive), and got around 1 gold per 200 dust, regardless of type. Haven't done a big refining recently, though.1 -
Mephisto939✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I refined over 3,000 of the platinum dust the other day and only received 7 Chromium grains from all of that.
When I refine 1200 rubedite, I typically get at least 13-20 tempers.
They have it set so you get Chromium grains at half the rate that you gain other tempers and what's worse, is the fact you have to refine those as well.
Jewellery crafting is not worth the time spent on it.
The gold mat extraction rate for all crafts appears to be 5% across the board. If you are gaining 20 tempering alloy from 1200 ore, that is probably just fantastic RNG over a small sample size as your expected return would be 6. Your expected return from 3000 dust would be 15 so your example of 7 is just bad RNG. Sometimes you will get more, sometimes less. That's how the system works.
I get around 5% from everything except jewelry dust. I have all passives maxed and refined at least 1000 dust. Zero chromium. Xbox.Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!2 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭im doing 30 jewelry writs a day and im getting about a 20% drop rate from just that. So normally im getting 5-6 a day.2 -
lagrue✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've gotten most of mine from decon.
How? Wouldn't only yellow jewlery decon to yellow mats? And if that is the case - where are you getting the yellow Jewlery, I assume PVP vendor?
So far the only way I've been able to get them is refining. In 2300 platinum I managed to get 18 chromium grains though so OP's luck must be doggy-doo for refines.
My writs have never yielded a single yellow grain and I run 7 a writs a day. I always get Zicron and other lesser grains. That said, we on console don't yet have the fixes that improve jewlery. Idk if PC got them yet - but apparently writs will always give yellow grains now as well as the cost for upgrade platings is halved across the board.Edited by lagrue on August 22, 2018 2:51PM"You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"0 -
XGCAlbatr0ss✭✭✭I've gotten most of mine from decon.
How? Wouldn't only yellow jewlery decon to yellow mats? And if that is the case - where are you getting the yellow Jewlery, I assume PVP vendor?
So far the only way I've been able to get them is refining. In 2300 platinum I managed to get 18 chromium grains though so OP's luck must be doggy-doo for refines.
My writs have never yielded a single yellow grain and I run 7 a writs a day. I always get Zicron and other lesser grains. That said, we on console don't yet have the fixes that improve jewlery. Idk if PC got them yet - but apparently writs will always give yellow grains now as well as the cost for upgrade platings is halved across the board.
You get gold jewelry from completing veteran trials. Go run a few vHRC or vAA's and decon the jewelry you get. I run alot of trials and i already have 6 gold platings. Xbox NA2 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »I refined over 3,000 of the platinum dust the other day and only received 7 Chromium grains from all of that.
When I refine 1200 rubedite, I typically get at least 13-20 tempers.
They have it set so you get Chromium grains at half the rate that you gain other tempers and what's worse, is the fact you have to refine those as well.
Jewellery crafting is not worth the time spent on it.
The gold mat extraction rate for all crafts appears to be 5% across the board. If you are gaining 20 tempering alloy from 1200 ore, that is probably just fantastic RNG over a small sample size as your expected return would be 6. Your expected return from 3000 dust would be 15 so your example of 7 is just bad RNG. Sometimes you will get more, sometimes less. That's how the system works.
I get around 5% from everything except jewelry dust. I have all passives maxed and refined at least 1000 dust. Zero chromium. Xbox.
1000 dust is a fairly small sample size overall. I've had times where I'll do 1000 dust at a time and get zero. It definitely happens and it sucks when it does. You'll eventually get some luck and maybe get 2 or 3 from just 200.0 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I've gotten most of mine from decon.
How? Wouldn't only yellow jewlery decon to yellow mats? And if that is the case - where are you getting the yellow Jewlery, I assume PVP vendor?
So far the only way I've been able to get them is refining. In 2300 platinum I managed to get 18 chromium grains though so OP's luck must be doggy-doo for refines.
My writs have never yielded a single yellow grain and I run 7 a writs a day. I always get Zicron and other lesser grains. That said, we on console don't yet have the fixes that improve jewlery. Idk if PC got them yet - but apparently writs will always give yellow grains now as well as the cost for upgrade platings is halved across the board.
Vet trials drop a gold jewelry piece and 2 pieces if hardmode. Also leaderboards give gold items, sometimes jewelry.Edited by Danksta on August 22, 2018 3:37PMBawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA1 -
TheCyberDruid✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Last 'free ESO+' week, I refined all the JC mats that I'd collected (on my not-yet-maxed JC with max refining passive), and got around 1 gold per 200 dust, regardless of type.
^ This. Max extraction skill and the average is exactly the same as all other equipment crafting refinement.0 -
lygerseye✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »Mephisto939 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »I refined over 3,000 of the platinum dust the other day and only received 7 Chromium grains from all of that.
When I refine 1200 rubedite, I typically get at least 13-20 tempers.
They have it set so you get Chromium grains at half the rate that you gain other tempers and what's worse, is the fact you have to refine those as well.
Jewellery crafting is not worth the time spent on it.
The gold mat extraction rate for all crafts appears to be 5% across the board. If you are gaining 20 tempering alloy from 1200 ore, that is probably just fantastic RNG over a small sample size as your expected return would be 6. Your expected return from 3000 dust would be 15 so your example of 7 is just bad RNG. Sometimes you will get more, sometimes less. That's how the system works.
I get around 5% from everything except jewelry dust. I have all passives maxed and refined at least 1000 dust. Zero chromium. Xbox.
1000 dust is a fairly small sample size overall. I've had times where I'll do 1000 dust at a time and get zero. It definitely happens and it sucks when it does. You'll eventually get some luck and maybe get 2 or 3 from just 200.
This is exactly what happened to me during the Orsinium event. Picked a spot to farm blacksmithing nodes and after my 1000th platinum dust, refined them and received zero chromium grains. Next day could only log in long enough to farm 300 more dust... Refining gave me 2 chromium grains.
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I only ever used to refine in Wardenfall... And I refined well over a 1000 pieces of pewter. No gold graniums ever dropped... I figured it was just a bug and the game would get patched... Then someone suggested I try another area so I went to Summerset and the very first refine dropped a gold granium... I refined just over 300 pewter and got 7 gold graniums in the one sitting... I haven't been back to wardenfall since.2
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✭Been doing the JC dalies and farming platinum on BOTH my jewelers (Max level btw) since Summerset went live and have a grand total of TWO chromium plating. This whole "dust" thing needs to go away and they need to make it like the other crafting mats.2 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've put together one gold plating from refinement (probably about 3.5k dust refinement), which I sold immediately, and still have 2 grains...
epic crafted jewelry is still a little pricey - fortunately I'm okay with just making purple jewels...
I'm actually taking a break from farming and doing writs right now...
between the jubilee anniversary event and leveling the jewelry crafting skill line (then actually crafting some jewels) - I'm all farmed and writted out
Edited by geonsocal on August 22, 2018 4:25PMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
Crafts_Many_Boxes✭✭✭✭✭Been doing the JC dalies and farming platinum on BOTH my jewelers (Max level btw) since Summerset went live and have a grand total of TWO chromium plating. This whole "dust" thing needs to go away and they need to make it like the other crafting mats.
They've painted themselves into a corner for JC.
If they make it too difficult, then players complain / don't care about it / probably lowers summerset sales in a small way. On the other hand, if they make it too easy to create / upgrade high level jewelry, then it invalidates the systems they've already created for getting gold jewelry - vet trials and the gold vendor in cyrodil.
The recent dialing back of the mat requirements is a step in the right direction, but I would still prefer that they just do away with the idea of gold jewelry being so scarce to begin with. That means making gold vendor prices cheaper AND re-working rewards from vet trials so that gold jewelry isn't a status symbol anymore.
IMO having gold jewelry being the status symbol of players who can do vet trials to begin with is a very poor idea. Just be like WoW / Rift / ETC and have cool custom mounts / skins as the rewards.
If gold jewelry weren't a status symbol, it wouldn't be valued so highly and the costs for crafting high level jewelry could be brought to levels comparable to other gear.1 -
Mephisto939✭✭✭✭Tonestar34 wrote: »I only ever used to refine in Wardenfall... And I refined well over a 1000 pieces of pewter. No gold graniums ever dropped... I figured it was just a bug and the game would get patched... Then someone suggested I try another area so I went to Summerset and the very first refine dropped a gold granium... I refined just over 300 pewter and got 7 gold graniums in the one sitting... I haven't been back to wardenfall since.
This is interesting as I do all of my refining in Mournhold. I think I will wait until DLC drops before I refine anymore though.Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!0 -
Violynne✭✭✭✭✭
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It's really that bad. PTS players were not lying when they said it was the most horrendous grind ever to come out in this game.Mephisto939 wrote: »i maxed jewelry about 2 weeks ago, but have yet to get a single gold grain from refining, writs or decon. Is my RNG just horrible, or is the drop rate really that bad.
I'm now firmly with the belief of any game ever made.
I've refined well over 6 thousand grains and just managed to create my first gold plating.
So math says 10 grains (to make 1 plate) / 6000 grains = drop rate of 0.002%.
Oh, and this is only marginally worse than the drop rate of Dreugh Wax (0.003%).
But, before you get angry, Perfect Roe still has the worse drop rate of... 0.0047%.
Ouch.
So please don't get mad at me when I snipe your seam, okay?
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Mephisto939✭✭✭✭
It's really that bad. PTS players were not lying when they said it was the most horrendous grind ever to come out in this game.Mephisto939 wrote: »i maxed jewelry about 2 weeks ago, but have yet to get a single gold grain from refining, writs or decon. Is my RNG just horrible, or is the drop rate really that bad.
I'm now firmly with the belief of any game ever made.
I've refined well over 6 thousand grains and just managed to create my first gold plating.
So math says 10 grains (to make 1 plate) / 6000 grains = drop rate of 0.002%.
Oh, and this is only marginally worse than the drop rate of Dreugh Wax (0.003%).
But, before you get angry, Perfect Roe still has the worse drop rate of... 0.0047%.
Ouch.
So please don't get mad at me when I snipe your seam, okay?
The difference is it only takes 8 wax to upgrade an item, or 1 roe to make 4 psijics.Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
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qbit✭✭✭✭✭What I don’t understand is how are these bosses and people putting stuff in chests are able to upgrade their jewelry to purple and gold levels... where are they getting their mats?
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Violynne✭✭✭✭✭
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It only takes 8 gold plating to upgrade a ring, so I'm not sure what the point is you're making.Mephisto939 wrote: »The difference is it only takes 8 wax to upgrade an item, or 1 roe to make 4 psijics.
We're talking about refinement, not upgrades.
You have to filet a ton of fish to get one Perfect Roe and you have to refine thousands of leather to get one Dreugh Wax.
At least, that's how it's been for me. YMMV.
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✭✭✭Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »Been doing the JC dalies and farming platinum on BOTH my jewelers (Max level btw) since Summerset went live and have a grand total of TWO chromium plating. This whole "dust" thing needs to go away and they need to make it like the other crafting mats.
They've painted themselves into a corner for JC.
If they make it too difficult, then players complain / don't care about it / probably lowers summerset sales in a small way. On the other hand, if they make it too easy to create / upgrade high level jewelry, then it invalidates the systems they've already created for getting gold jewelry - vet trials and the gold vendor in cyrodil.
The recent dialing back of the mat requirements is a step in the right direction, but I would still prefer that they just do away with the idea of gold jewelry being so scarce to begin with. That means making gold vendor prices cheaper AND re-working rewards from vet trials so that gold jewelry isn't a status symbol anymore.
IMO having gold jewelry being the status symbol of players who can do vet trials to begin with is a very poor idea. Just be like WoW / Rift / ETC and have cool custom mounts / skins as the rewards.
If gold jewelry weren't a status symbol, it wouldn't be valued so highly and the costs for crafting high level jewelry could be brought to levels comparable to other gear.
The thing is, other things are available as golds and aren't invalidated like weekly rewards.
This is mainly just a matter of ZOS trying to keep people playing longer, but all it does is put more people off.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake2