Once more. The Cyrillic font must be changed

logarifmik · August 2018

Coatmagic wrote: »

Yeah, really needs fixing, can imagine it's not easy for ya'll to read that way either, it's awful

We have the addon after all, but not everyone aware of it, and I personally don't understand why it should exist. Changing the damn font doesn't looks like rocket science, but for some reasons this problem exists for 2 years or so.

Enslaved wrote: »

Since addons I was using to prevent russian in chat is not working as intended, I had to put quite a lot of them on ignore. I dont have issue with them but walls of text you dont understand clutter the chat.

As far as I remember, this was discussed in the deleted thread. I agree with you, we need a tool to manage the chat.

Leocaran · August 2018

Yes, that should be fixed. Would be beneficial for both people knowing Cyrillic languages and not. Because their eyes wouldn't hurt any more.

tgrippa · August 2018

I agree that the Cyrillic font in ESO is t e r r i b l e and makes it appear that zone chat is being flooded.

However, I don’t expect everyone to speak English in zone chat. It is after all a shared chat area and this is a game enjoyed by an international audience, some of whom do not speak English or are not comfortable with the language.

The REAL issue here is that there is no Russian zone chat channel. I believe that if ZOS created this channel, most of those who prefer to speak in Russian would use it. This is the best solution and would satisfy all parties, and it should be done since this is an international game. I am sure there are many Russian players who are frustrated that the only zone chat they can use is a shared one. We should not be making people feel excluded, or insulting of them, especially when there is no other option available to them.

StormChaser3000 · August 2018

A little insight into the problem from the archive from fellow EU players: https://steamcommunity.com/app/306130/discussions/0/152390014783251868/
Abstract:
" EU Server: Please ban russian cyllibics from zone chat.
Every day I play ESO I begin to hate the community more and more. English Zone is never used by anyone, everyone talks in /zone. Most people talk english, of course, in zone, as it is common courtesy to speak a common language in the global chat.

The problem is that Russians seem to enjoy spamming the chat. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Russians whatsoever, but quite a few of them are rather toxic. Quite often they are hostile to anyone who speaks English, often spamming insults like "♥♥♥♥ english" or calling everyone burgers. I think that /zone should disallow the use of russian cyllibics, not in an act of hate, but in an act of courtesy. Also, /ruzone should be a channel. I mean, come on, you have a japanese channel on EU servers for god's sake, no one uses it. Players should b e auto-assigned to lingual zone chats, it would help a lot.
Again, this is not an act of hate, but a suggestion to help sort out the community."

I speak 4 languages, one of them russian and I perfectly know the situation. And it is toxic. Again, not all of them but often a few individuals can mess up the whole chat. So yeah ban of cyr. in global chat and adding ru-channel with auto-assignment would be ideal option for everyone.

logarifmik · August 2018

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

A little insight into the problem from the archive from fellow EU players: https://steamcommunity.com/app/306130/discussions/0/152390014783251868/
Abstract:
" EU Server: Please ban russian cyllibics from zone chat.
Every day I play ESO I begin to hate the community more and more. English Zone is never used by anyone, everyone talks in /zone. Most people talk english, of course, in zone, as it is common courtesy to speak a common language in the global chat.

The problem is that Russians seem to enjoy spamming the chat. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Russians whatsoever, but quite a few of them are rather toxic. Quite often they are hostile to anyone who speaks English, often spamming insults like "♥♥♥♥ english" or calling everyone burgers. I think that /zone should disallow the use of russian cyllibics, not in an act of hate, but in an act of courtesy. Also, /ruzone should be a channel. I mean, come on, you have a japanese channel on EU servers for god's sake, no one uses it. Players should b e auto-assigned to lingual zone chats, it would help a lot.
Again, this is not an act of hate, but a suggestion to help sort out the community."

Thanks for the insight! Much appreciated. It shows us once again, that the issue have quite a long history.

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

I speak 4 languages, one of them russian and I perfectly know the situation. And it is toxic. Again, not all of them but often a few individuals can mess up the whole chat. So yeah ban of cyr. in global chat and adding ru-channel with auto-assignment would be ideal option for everyone.

First, "few individuals" can be easily added to the ignore list, so there is no need to ban all messages in Cyrillic from the global chat.
Second, it seems, that the global chat or /zone is not restricted for other non-English languages, like French, German, Polish and others, so why ban Cyrillic-based languages in particular? Also, there is an /en zone chat, try to guess why.
Third, banning the Cyrillic from the global chat will not solve the "spam" problem. Potomu chto eto nikak ne pomeshaet ispolzovat translit uJlu 4To-Hu6yDb TaKoe, HanpuMep)))) So, one should take into account, that "typical" Russian player is not only toxic, but also inventive as devil.

And regarding the toxicity. I tend to agree, that there are some toxic people amongst players speaking Russian, but why the whole Russian community must endure such measures you suggest, I fail to understand. There should be other solution.

Violynne · August 2018

Oumalakasha wrote: »

Yeah, that looks terrible. I don't speak any language that uses the Cyrillic alphabet, but it would drive me crazy i f I h a d t o
c o n s t a n t l y r e a d w i t h w o r d s
s p a c e d o u t l i k e t h a t .

Wholes in crap. When it's put like this, now I understand. I didn't realize the spacing was the issue. Kudos for the assist in understanding.

Indeed, this should never have been released like this.

Shame on you, ZoS.

StormChaser3000 · August 2018

logarifmik wrote: »

Second, it seems, that the global chat or /zone is not restricted for other non-English languages, like French, German, Polish and others, so why ban Cyrillic-based languages in particular? Also, there is an /en zone chat, try to guess why.
Third, banning the Cyrillic from the global chat will not solve the "spam" problem. Potomu chto eto nikak ne pomeshaet ispolzovat translit uJlu 4To-Hu6yDb TaKoe, HanpuMep)))) So, one should take into account, that "typical" Russian player is not only toxic, but also inventive as devil.

Because French and German are recognized international languages while looks like Poles and others.... aren't that big spammers

Also Russian is not supported on this forums for example and threads in ru are being deleted. It's a policy (not sure about ingame chat rules). And no, that will help, since if there is a dedicated ru-zone they will be too lazy to break their fingers on the English keyboard. I do know that you people don't like transliteration. After couple days of trolling attempts (if there will be any. maybe they will go to the right zone at once) they will get annoyed themselves and leave to much more convenient dedicated zone chat.

logarifmik wrote: »

First, "few individuals" can be easily added to the ignore list, so there is no need to ban all messages in Cyrillic from the global chat.

Some people don't like to do that for some reason plus even when that happens for the first time it's still irritating for some people.

logarifmik wrote: »

And regarding the toxicity. I tend to agree, that there are some toxic people amongst players speaking Russian, but why the whole Russian community must endure such measures you suggest, I fail to understand. There should be other solution.

Then the normal part of your community should affect them in one or another way. Otherwise nothing else will help besides cyr. ban and simultaneous isolation into the ru-chat-zone. If you eventually get ru-chat-zone why will you need to post in russian in global then? At the same time the ban of cyr will ensure to keep those особо одаренных away from poisoning EU community gaming experience.
It's a win-win for everyone.

logarifmik · August 2018

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Because French and German are recognized international languages while looks like Poles and others.... aren't that big spammers

I'll just refer to the Wikipedia:
"It is [Russian language] the most widely spoken of the Slavic languages and the largest native language in Europe, with 144 million speakers in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. Russian is the eighth most spoken language in the world by number of native speakers and the seventh by total number of speakers. The language is one of the six official languages of the United Nations. Russian is also the second most widespread language on the Internet after English."
Well, it seems quite international to me.

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Also Russian is not supported on this forums for example and threads in ru are being deleted. It's a policy (not sure about ingame chat rules).

This remark is irrelevant. We are not speaking about the forum here, we speak about the in-game chat, which officially supports Cyrillic font.

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

And no, that will help, since if there is a dedicated ru-zone they will be too lazy to break their fingers on the English keyboard. I do know that you people don't like transliteration. After couple days of trolling attempts (if there will be any. maybe they will go to the right zone at once) they will get annoyed themselves and leave to much more convenient dedicated zone chat.

A very questionable assumption. What if you are wrong? The situation will become only worse, that's what.

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Then the normal part of your community should affect them in one or another way. Otherwise nothing else will help besides cyr. ban and simultaneous isolation into the ru-chat-zone. If you eventually get ru-chat-zone why will you need to post in russian in global then? At the same time the ban of cyr will ensure to keep those особо одаренных away from poisoning EU community gaming experience.
It's a win-win for everyone.

So you literally propose to create a reservation? Charming, but don't think that "особо одарённые" will become even more toxic and this situation will become "a toxicity catalyst" for several years at least? Or maybe we should go further in this segregation? A separate dungeon queue, separate zone instances, a separate server? I heard similar ideas from one guy with funny mustaches.

I propose a much less radical solution, which consists of three simple steps: 1) font change, 2) /ru zone, 3) customizable chat filters.

StormChaser3000 · August 2018

logarifmik wrote: »

I'll just refer to the Wikipedia:
"It is [Russian language] the most widely spoken of the Slavic languages and the largest native language in Europe, with 144 million speakers in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus....................................

So? Most of those who immigrated to the West know English. All those big numbers reside in post soviet countries, and from many it is being actually actively eliminated these days. And actually how does that relate to the ESO population? Lot's of ru websites/forums dedicated to the game are semi-dead anyways.

logarifmik wrote: »

This remark is irrelevant. We are not speaking about the forum here, we speak about the in-game chat, which officially supports Cyrillic font.

This forum also supports insertion of cyr. font. So what?

logarifmik wrote: »

A very questionable assumption. What if you are wrong? The situation will become only worse, that's what.

According to what I've seen in other mmos it won't.

logarifmik wrote: »

So you literally propose to create a reservation? Charming, but don't think that "особо одарённые" will become even more toxic and this situation will become "a toxicity catalyst" for several years at least? Or maybe we should go further in this segregation? A separate dungeon queue, separate zone instances, a separate server? I heard similar ideas from one guy with funny mustaches.

LMAO I assume that the guy with mustaches is Stalin, right? xDDD Anyway that's your fantasy (or maybe complexes) not mine. Those who want to speak in "ru" will be able to do that freely in ru-chat where they won't disrupt general chat. If you want to talk in general chat - please talk freely too, but in languages that are understandable for the majority. You should respect the community and don't be selfish.

logarifmik · August 2018

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

This forum also supports insertion of cyr. font. So what?

The game didn't supported the Cyrillic font before the 2.5 patch. The forum supports Cyrillic letters, because it uses UTF-8 encoding. See the difference?

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

According to what I've seen in other mmos it won't.

Name the MMO where measure you suggests was implemented, and maybe it will finally make some sense. I don't see why is it any better, than my suggestion.

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

LMAO That was your fantasy (or maybe complexes) not mine.

It could be so. However, what I meant is that your suggestion is provocative and radical. Все люди равны, но некоторые равнее, так что ли? My suggestion don't have such bitter flavour, though.

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Those who want to speak in "ru" will be able to do that freely in ru-chat where they won't disrupt general chat. If you want to talk in general chat - please talk freely too, but in languages that are understandable for the majority.

Funny thing. In my first post I mentioned the growing number of Russian-speaking players, so at some point they will inevitably become (if not already) one of the majorities. Will your statement be true then?

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

You should respect the community and don't be selfish.

I've started this thread to attract attention to the issue and discuss its solution, which will benefit the whole community and will offend no one at the same time. Is it selfish?

Artemiisia · August 2018

the funny part, ironic meant for me is

that there have only in the history of eso, as I remembered where people are requesting an addon to filter chat

Early release: someone made a gold spam addon, until eso fixed that
Now: someone made addons to filter the Cyrillic letters

Either fix it with the suggestion the OP is sayin, or make so that the normal Zone, cant use Cyrillic letters, and make a Zone/rus where they can use it

Azuramoonstar · August 2018

what i find sad is ff14 and ff11 prior had international servers.

no one complains/complained about the japanese text, or anything.

People saying "need to speak english" should take a step back and think how rude this is.

Leocaran · August 2018

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

If you want to talk in general chat - please talk freely too, but in languages that are understandable for the majority. You should respect the community and don't be selfish.

You aren't proposing to ban German, French, Polish, Turkish and other non-English languages from general chat, right?

newtinmpls · August 2018

Oh how horrible.

This needs to be fixed.

ZOS_JesC · August 2018

Greetings, we've removed several comments that were baiting in nature and nonconstructive to the conversation. This is a reminder to keep all comments constructive and civil.

logarifmik · August 2018

I would like to express sincere gratitude and appreciation to all comrades participated in the discussion.

It seems, that ZeniMax team finally realized, that the issue we discuss here is a bug. Let us hope it'll be resolved soon. The solution I see the most adequate for now I described in the open post under the Update section.

Всем мира и добра.