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NupidStoob✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »King_Thelon wrote: »Can we get some clips of your build in action?
Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.
But i need a good laugh.
Why are you being hateful right now?
Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.
By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.
A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.
This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.
Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.
This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.
When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."
Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?
Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...
Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.
Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...
You are kidding right? Most people including sorcs agreed that rune cage was overperforming. I've seen less than five sorcs on the forums claiming that the ability is totally fine. Pretty much everyone had ideas and suggestions how to fix it.
Sounds like you are the biased one here.1 -
Ozazz✭✭✭✭Look anybody to this day that still complains about mgk sorc or stamblade is just envious of the classes and jealous of the players that have success on them, AND ARE UNDERMINING THE SKILL IT TAKES TO PLAY ON THEM!!!
THERE IS NO REASON RIGHT NOW IN THIS GAME FOR HEAVY TO BE PERFORMING THE WAY as it IS
BEING BETTER THAN LIGHT AND MEDIUM, its ironic how people don't wont to address this!
How?
For starters, just about any MagSorc will get DESTROYED in the blink of an eye if hes caught by 2-3+ "Decent" players with shields down.. and for every second we spend casting our shields, is another second we arnt on the offense, another second the stam toons vigor will tic, another second they get to deal free damage..
Stop nerfing sorcs just because you cant kill one, people need to realize that. Unless they can 1vX perfectly fine on a MagSorc, they have no right to say that "MagSorc is Broken and OP"
mmmmm no, that sounds like a L2P issue. A simple dodge roll when shields fall gives you enough time to Bar Swap and reapply, any good sorc knows this.
As for your repeated “I have 5k hours on the class” that has no relevance to how good of a PvPer you are; for all we know 3k of it could’ve been spent questing and the other 2k Zerging.
If you actually want to convince people you know what you’re talking about then how about you drop some evidence.
YouTube is a great resource for this.
ive dueled the best players on console and know all the best players on console, currently moved to pc and im associated with some of the best players on this platform as well. i play two platforms for this game and have a very in depth opinion of the evolution of it and my class.
shall i provide a list of all the nurfs/debuffs to my class indirect or direct?
Which console did you play on?
xbox and now pc na0 -
Ozazz✭✭✭✭Ok
You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?
Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively
You don't seem to know much about Sorc
Sorc could use a slight bit more damage but is overall pretty decent there. What it lacks is sustain and now CC.
Streak lasts far too little time to be of any use and is extremely clunky. Asking people to use Streak as an offensive stun is like putting someone up to the plate in the MLB with a monkey wrench. Sure, you might hit the ball sometimes but you should really just have a bat.
that's a funny analogy haha
true as well Edited by Ozazz on August 20, 2018 8:49AM0 -
damtotb16_ESO✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Rune cage still works great, defensive rune is also a good option plus a decent anti-gank, and get a 2h for your back bar with forward momentum.
Magsorc is still in a good place play-wise, people just need to stop chasing the meta, traditional magsorc archetype.
I run a bow/bow and bow/2h pseudo-hybrid magsorc, (I say pseudo-hybrid because he's still fully magicka), in both battlegrounds and open-world PVP, and I've never had more fun, OR been more potent competitively.
Until the day they completely remove streak, my magsorc will always be in a good place.
No, just no.
You have no idea. =P
I do have many ideas. Your bows do no damage, your defense is horrible and everyone decent will melt you easily.
You are one of those in Chaosball and other object games, who just dies in cleave as collateral damage so to say
But honestly, it matters not. Because you are happy with this, so who am I to tell you to reconsider.
I just hope to never have you in my team. As long as this doesn't happen, it's fine and bothers me not.
Actually no, I'm a high mobility build that covers the weaknesses of dodge rolling and streak, combined with high ward strength, major expedition from the bows complementing dodge roll, dark deal for stam management, and daedric tomb plus dawnbreaker/soul shatter to grind people down.
Just because you can't build it, doesn't mean nobody can.
But keep up with your hate. I get enough hatemail
Firstly, there was no hate. I don't even know you and I can't hate what I don't know and I wouldn't hate you for enjoying the game the way you like.
Secondly, this is not about being able to build this or not. It's about, that I have no desire to build something that is at best, mediocre at everything but not good at anything.
Your entire post is a case of "I believe this is great, because I don't know better"
It reminds me of a scene in my childhood, where I was obsessed with insects and still am. My friend's dad told me, I should check out his garden where he has seen gigantic ants. He really hyped them up. It turned out, they were just boring little ants for my taste and smaller than german wood ants.
The moral: Some people believe something is great and good, because they lack comparison and the knowledge of what is truly great. While in reality, it is merely average and meh. I also thought my first boyfriend was.... you know. The more you know, the better you know.
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ok
You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?
Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively
You don't seem to know much about Sorc
Sorc could use a slight bit more damage but is overall pretty decent there. What it lacks is sustain and now CC.
Streak lasts far too little time to be of any use and is extremely clunky. Asking people to use Streak as an offensive stun is like putting someone up to the plate in the MLB with a monkey wrench. Sure, you might hit the ball sometimes but you should really just have a bat.
that's a funny analogy haha true as well
I thought it fit almost perfectly Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake0 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NupidStoob wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »King_Thelon wrote: »Can we get some clips of your build in action?
Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.
But i need a good laugh.
Why are you being hateful right now?
Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.
By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.
A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.
This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.
Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.
This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.
When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."
Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?
Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...
Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.
Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...
You are kidding right? Most people including sorcs agreed that rune cage was overperforming. I've seen less than five sorcs on the forums claiming that the ability is totally fine. Pretty much everyone had ideas and suggestions how to fix it.
Sounds like you are the biased one here.
Except as I stated and shown, I also play sorc....so, good job at reading comprehension.
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NupidStoob wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »King_Thelon wrote: »Can we get some clips of your build in action?
Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.
But i need a good laugh.
Why are you being hateful right now?
Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.
By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.
A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.
This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.
Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.
This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.
When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."
Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?
Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...
Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.
Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...
You are kidding right? Most people including sorcs agreed that rune cage was overperforming. I've seen less than five sorcs on the forums claiming that the ability is totally fine. Pretty much everyone had ideas and suggestions how to fix it.
Sounds like you are the biased one here.
Except as I stated and shown, I also play sorc....so, good job at reading comprehension.
Many people who say they play Sorc and act the way you do do not actually play Sorc.
You also have not given any proof your "build" works at all stillValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NupidStoob wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »King_Thelon wrote: »Can we get some clips of your build in action?
Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.
But i need a good laugh.
Why are you being hateful right now?
Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.
By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.
A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.
This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.
Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.
This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.
When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."
Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?
Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...
Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.
Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...
You are kidding right? Most people including sorcs agreed that rune cage was overperforming. I've seen less than five sorcs on the forums claiming that the ability is totally fine. Pretty much everyone had ideas and suggestions how to fix it.
Sounds like you are the biased one here.
Except as I stated and shown, I also play sorc....so, good job at reading comprehension.
Many people who say they play Sorc and act the way you do do not actually play Sorc.
You also have not given any proof your "build" works at all still
Posted a screen shot in this very thread.
Lol
But as I stated before, hard to believe someone who plays the class can look at it without bias, eh?
Git gud and stop relying on unneeded crutches.....it makes the rest of us look weak
Edited by Kel on August 21, 2018 12:27PM0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NupidStoob wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »King_Thelon wrote: »Can we get some clips of your build in action?
Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.
But i need a good laugh.
Why are you being hateful right now?
Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.
By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.
A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.
This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.
Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.
This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.
When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."
Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?
Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...
Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.
Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...
You are kidding right? Most people including sorcs agreed that rune cage was overperforming. I've seen less than five sorcs on the forums claiming that the ability is totally fine. Pretty much everyone had ideas and suggestions how to fix it.
Sounds like you are the biased one here.
Except as I stated and shown, I also play sorc....so, good job at reading comprehension.
Many people who say they play Sorc and act the way you do do not actually play Sorc.
You also have not given any proof your "build" works at all still
Posted a screen shot in this very thread.
Lol
But as I stated before, hard to believe someone who plays the class can look at it without bias, eh?
Git gud and stop relying on unneeded crutches.....it makes the rest of us look weak
That screenshot says absolutely nothing. All it says is you steal kills very easily, which Sorc excels at. That is not proof
Quite simply, I see no benefit in your awful sounding "bow magicka build" because there is none. You get nothing other than the feeling of being unique, and getting kills only because of Mages Fury and thinking that makes you good.
Your "git gud" narrative doesn't work when you exclusively rely on one skill yourself to make yourself think your character is worth somethingValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake0 -
HankTwo✭✭✭✭✭This thread is riddled with fallacious ad hominem arguments. If both sides could concentrate more on the actual topic and less on what the other forum members are or aren't, then this thread could be much more constructive.PC EU
Stam DK, Magden, Magplar, Stamcro, Hybrid Sorc, Magblade & Mag DK0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This thread is riddled with fallacious ad hominem arguments. If both sides could concentrate more on the actual topic and less on what the other forum members are or aren't, then this thread could be much more constructive.
Most ad hominems are coming from OP and co. Most people are just saying he's wrong and that his build is awful despite what he says...which is true.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake0 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It comes down to this...skill.
Sorc with rune cage is easy mode. All you players saying "We told them rune cage was op" and are now complaining about it being gone....why? Never saw this skill used before Summerset, never have I seen a build video using this skill. Saying the class is unplayable now it's been nerfed makes zero sense. How did you get on before it was buffed, if that was the case? The circular logic is astounding!
I'm just pointing out that now the class is back to needing skill to play...no more easy kills. And with the way everyone cries in this forum about needing skill to play, you'd think this would be a welcome change.
There's a reason the sorc population has exploded in Summerset...why streamers are switching to sorcs and dropping thier mains, and it's because how ridiculously easy it is to play with rune cage.
So no, I can't take "the sky is falling" crying seriously...players who've mained sorc this entire time will go back to how it was before Summerset and be just fine. Those Johnny come lately's who jumped on the bandwagon are going to have to apply some skill to get the results they've had using a op ability.
This isn't a bad thing according to these very forums......
Unless it's your class I guess. Then balance is a horrible thing, right?
Saying we knew the skill was op then crying when they fix it? No, I can't take you seriously. You're talking out both sides of your mouth.0 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NupidStoob wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »King_Thelon wrote: »Can we get some clips of your build in action?
Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.
But i need a good laugh.
Why are you being hateful right now?
Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.
By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.
A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.
This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.
Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.
This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.
When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."
Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?
Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...
Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.
Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...
You are kidding right? Most people including sorcs agreed that rune cage was overperforming. I've seen less than five sorcs on the forums claiming that the ability is totally fine. Pretty much everyone had ideas and suggestions how to fix it.
Sounds like you are the biased one here.
Except as I stated and shown, I also play sorc....so, good job at reading comprehension.
Many people who say they play Sorc and act the way you do do not actually play Sorc.
You also have not given any proof your "build" works at all still
Posted a screen shot in this very thread.
Lol
But as I stated before, hard to believe someone who plays the class can look at it without bias, eh?
Git gud and stop relying on unneeded crutches.....it makes the rest of us look weak
That screenshot says absolutely nothing. All it says is you steal kills very easily, which Sorc excels at. That is not proof
Quite simply, I see no benefit in your awful sounding "bow magicka build" because there is none. You get nothing other than the feeling of being unique, and getting kills only because of Mages Fury and thinking that makes you good.
Your "git gud" narrative doesn't work when you exclusively rely on one skill yourself to make yourself think your character is worth something
That's not my build...lmao.
Wow, reading.....
As far as proof goes, what would be satisfactory to you if a screenshot isn't? Video? Then you'd just say "Well, those are potatoes." Duals against good players? Then you'll just say "show me you winning a tournament"
In short, there's no proof that will satisfy you, because you aren't objective enough to look at anything that will contradict your view.
You are bias...no proof will do.
Edited by Kel on August 21, 2018 1:04PM0 -
HankTwo✭✭✭✭✭About the topic: I disagree that magsorcs need a snare removal. If ZOS starts to give them out to every class then snares will become practically useless. Furthermore, magsorcs can already traverse large distances while being snared in a short timespan using streak.
I don't understand, however, why the devs double nerfed rune cage. Removing either the upfront damage or making it dodgeable or blockable would have been enough to balance it imo.PC EU
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scipionumatia✭✭✭✭can we just give sorcs cc on frags again? tired of hearing about it and it wasn't that op to begin with. also it was reflectable/dodgeable, so theres the argument for counter play.Scipio Numantia Red guard Nightblade PvP- AD
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^scipionumatia wrote: »can we just give sorcs cc on frags again? tired of hearing about it and it wasn't that op to begin with. also it was reflectable/dodgeable, so theres the argument for counter play.
This would be a solution.
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✭✭✭NupidStoob wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »King_Thelon wrote: »Can we get some clips of your build in action?
Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.
But i need a good laugh.
Why are you being hateful right now?
Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.
By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.
A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.
This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.
Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.
This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.
When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."
Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?
Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...
Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.
Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...
You are kidding right? Most people including sorcs agreed that rune cage was overperforming. I've seen less than five sorcs on the forums claiming that the ability is totally fine. Pretty much everyone had ideas and suggestions how to fix it.
Sounds like you are the biased one here.
Except as I stated and shown, I also play sorc....so, good job at reading comprehension.
Many people who say they play Sorc and act the way you do do not actually play Sorc.
You also have not given any proof your "build" works at all still
Posted a screen shot in this very thread.
Lol
But as I stated before, hard to believe someone who plays the class can look at it without bias, eh?
Git gud and stop relying on unneeded crutches.....it makes the rest of us look weak
That screenshot says absolutely nothing. All it says is you steal kills very easily, which Sorc excels at. That is not proof
Quite simply, I see no benefit in your awful sounding "bow magicka build" because there is none. You get nothing other than the feeling of being unique, and getting kills only because of Mages Fury and thinking that makes you good.
Your "git gud" narrative doesn't work when you exclusively rely on one skill yourself to make yourself think your character is worth something
That's not my build...lmao.
Wow, reading.....
As far as proof goes, what would be satisfactory to you if a screenshot isn't? Video? Then you'd just say "Well, those are potatoes." Duals against good players? Then you'll just say "show me you winning a tournament"
In short, there's no proof that will satisfy you, because you aren't objective enough to look at anything that will contradict your view.
You are bias...no proof will do.
A video would be fine, because at least we can see what you're doing even if they're bad players.
A screenshot says nothing about anything.
EDIT: And frankly I got you and the OP confused because you two have very similar attitudes regarding "git gud it's just a crutch I can do amazing but won't show any proof"Edited by Valrien on August 21, 2018 1:15PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭✭✭scipionumatia wrote: »can we just give sorcs cc on frags again? tired of hearing about it and it wasn't that op to begin with. also it was reflectable/dodgeable, so theres the argument for counter play.
Not gonna happen because Wrobel is adamant about his „high damage abilities shouldn’t stun“ mantra now. Except for Incap or DBoS of course.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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✭✭✭DedEmbryonicCell19 wrote: »Hmmmmm, I'm old enough to remember when games were played for fun .. that's the meta people should be focusing on .....
Because meta =/= fun, right?
No one could ever possibly have fun following the meta.
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Kelces✭✭✭✭✭DedEmbryonicCell19 wrote: »Hmmmmm, I'm old enough to remember when games were played for fun .. that's the meta people should be focusing on .....
Because meta =/= fun, right?
No one could ever possibly have fun following the meta.
Your way to play is the only one
Depends on how neurotic people are to be "the best"...
You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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✭✭✭✭bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »I hate, sooooo much hate, zos should remove shields and streak, just so I can collect sorc tearsNupidStoob wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »King_Thelon wrote: »Can we get some clips of your build in action?
Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.
But i need a good laugh.
Why are you being hateful right now?
Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.
By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.
A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.
This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.
Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.
This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.
When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."
Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?
Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...
Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.
Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...
You are kidding right? Most people including sorcs agreed that rune cage was overperforming. I've seen less than five sorcs on the forums claiming that the ability is totally fine. Pretty much everyone had ideas and suggestions how to fix it.
Sounds like you are the biased one here.
Except as I stated and shown, I also play sorc....so, good job at reading comprehension.
Many people who say they play Sorc and act the way you do do not actually play Sorc.
You also have not given any proof your "build" works at all still
Posted a screen shot in this very thread.
Lol
But as I stated before, hard to believe someone who plays the class can look at it without bias, eh?
Git gud and stop relying on unneeded crutches.....it makes the rest of us look weak
That screenshot says absolutely nothing. All it says is you steal kills very easily, which Sorc excels at. That is not proof
Quite simply, I see no benefit in your awful sounding "bow magicka build" because there is none. You get nothing other than the feeling of being unique, and getting kills only because of Mages Fury and thinking that makes you good.
Your "git gud" narrative doesn't work when you exclusively rely on one skill yourself to make yourself think your character is worth something
That's not my build...lmao.
Wow, reading.....
As far as proof goes, what would be satisfactory to you if a screenshot isn't? Video? Then you'd just say "Well, those are potatoes." Duals against good players? Then you'll just say "show me you winning a tournament"
In short, there's no proof that will satisfy you, because you aren't objective enough to look at anything that will contradict your view.
You are bias...no proof will do.
A video would be fine, because at least we can see what you're doing even if they're bad players.
A screenshot says nothing about anything.
Right, 400k dmg doesn't seem much for a damage build either.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on August 21, 2018 3:16PM0 -
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✭scipionumatia wrote: »can we just give sorcs cc on frags again? tired of hearing about it and it wasn't that op to begin with. also it was reflectable/dodgeable, so theres the argument for counter play.
Not gonna happen because Wrobel is adamant about his „high damage abilities shouldn’t stun“ mantra now. Except for Incap or DBoS of course.
That's if frags actually hit for high damage... typical 5-7k. The hardest I've hit someone with is
12k. This is with 45k mag and 3k spell damage.Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
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✭✭This thread is riddled with fallacious ad hominem arguments. If both sides could concentrate more on the actual topic and less on what the other forum members are or aren't, then this thread could be much more constructive.
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✭✭usmguy1234 wrote: »Ok
You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?
Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively
Yes let's use the cc that has exponential cost increase, that is unidirectional... and broken by the time you turn around. Thank you for fixing all of our issues.
Sorry I think I said to use it offensively not use it as a spammable -.- Honestly just shut up and try it, streak through your enemy sometimes. It's fairly common to see 5k streaks
Streak is useless used for STUNNING in pvp since it has a very short duration of cc , when you turn around the stun ends.
Streak is useful for mobility.
If you think the duration of the stun is that important then please don't provide PvP input
Omg, ur lack of knowledge when it comes to the class is really astonishing. This whole situation with sorc cc is because they need one to land their combo. Streak duration being so low means by the time u turn around ur opponent is already up even if he didnt cc break and didnt lose any stamina which at that point makes the cc entirely useless cause he will just dodge/block the rest of the combo. Like seriously, this is basic knowledge for any class using a cc to land their combos. You are telling people to stop providing PVP input while showing lack of knowledge of basic PVP mechanics that even new players should know. Stop embarrassing urself.Edited by pieratsos on August 21, 2018 9:00PM0 -
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webrgesner✭✭✭✭Also you are right. When my friend and i try to 2vx on a mag sorc its hard to get a kill in an x situation becausse sorcs burst you have to time curse frag cc and execute. Unlike stam class where you can just db spin to win. Everytime i do get in an x situation i have to keep streaking until the closest person chasing me is far from his team because its hard to aim your curse and frag when people are stack. And you have 4 seconds to do your burst combo. And when my guild do ball groups they rather have me on stamplar instead of magsorc because magsorcs are useless since the group is trying to aoe down the group of mobs as fast as possible.Edited by webrgesner on August 21, 2018 11:20PM0
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✭✭Ok
You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?
Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively
streak offensively in today's age is pretty much near useless, you would pretty much have to play mgk for four years to really have a full credible opinion when it comes to this
You didn't actually address or explain anything as to why this would be an invalid tactic. The Sorc class rep taught me this and it works relatively well considering the entirety of the Sorc's kit. Need I also remind you it is the only class with 4 different types of CCs. And BTW the sorc class rep has been playing mgk for 4 years and I've been doing it for 3
Legit just shut up and try it. Yeah it's rough, sorry. Streak through your opponent and not away from them and watch them loose almost 5k health. Especially if you get a group of them mmmmmm... So nice
and then they'll gap close/cc/take flight/meteor on you and wreck your ass, if you're not paying attention.0
