Nope, no more video.

You want to figure the build out, you're going to have to find me and earn it.

Dracane wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Rune cage still works great, defensive rune is also a good option plus a decent anti-gank, and get a 2h for your back bar with forward momentum.

Magsorc is still in a good place play-wise, people just need to stop chasing the meta, traditional magsorc archetype.

I run a bow/bow and bow/2h pseudo-hybrid magsorc, (I say pseudo-hybrid because he's still fully magicka), in both battlegrounds and open-world PVP, and I've never had more fun, OR been more potent competitively.

Until the day they completely remove streak, my magsorc will always be in a good place.

No, just no.

You have no idea. =P

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Rune cage still works great, defensive rune is also a good option plus a decent anti-gank, and get a 2h for your back bar with forward momentum.

Magsorc is still in a good place play-wise, people just need to stop chasing the meta, traditional magsorc archetype.

I run a bow/bow and bow/2h pseudo-hybrid magsorc, (I say pseudo-hybrid because he's still fully magicka), in both battlegrounds and open-world PVP, and I've never had more fun, OR been more potent competitively.

Until the day they completely remove streak, my magsorc will always be in a good place.

No, just no.

You have no idea. =P

I do have many ideas. Your bows do no damage, your defense is horrible and everyone decent will melt you easily.
You are one of those in Chaosball and other object games, who just dies in cleave as collateral damage so to say
But honestly, it matters not. Because you are happy with this, so who am I to tell you to reconsider.

I just hope to never have you in my team. As long as this doesn't happen, it's fine and bothers me not.

Dracane wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Rune cage still works great, defensive rune is also a good option plus a decent anti-gank, and get a 2h for your back bar with forward momentum.

Magsorc is still in a good place play-wise, people just need to stop chasing the meta, traditional magsorc archetype.

I run a bow/bow and bow/2h pseudo-hybrid magsorc, (I say pseudo-hybrid because he's still fully magicka), in both battlegrounds and open-world PVP, and I've never had more fun, OR been more potent competitively.

Until the day they completely remove streak, my magsorc will always be in a good place.

No, just no.

You have no idea. =P

I do have many ideas. Your bows do no damage, your defense is horrible and everyone decent will melt you easily.
You are one of those in Chaosball and other object games, who just dies in cleave as collateral damage so to say
But honestly, it matters not. Because you are happy with this, so who am I to tell you to reconsider.

I just hope to never have you in my team. As long as this doesn't happen, it's fine and bothers me not.

Actually no, I'm a high mobility build that covers the weaknesses of dodge rolling and streak, combined with high ward strength, major expedition from the bows complementing dodge roll, dark deal for stam management, and daedric tomb plus dawnbreaker/soul shatter to grind people down.

Just because you can't build it, doesn't mean nobody can.

But keep up with your hate. I get enough hatemail

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Rune cage still works great, defensive rune is also a good option plus a decent anti-gank, and get a 2h for your back bar with forward momentum.

Magsorc is still in a good place play-wise, people just need to stop chasing the meta, traditional magsorc archetype.

I run a bow/bow and bow/2h pseudo-hybrid magsorc, (I say pseudo-hybrid because he's still fully magicka), in both battlegrounds and open-world PVP, and I've never had more fun, OR been more potent competitively.

Until the day they completely remove streak, my magsorc will always be in a good place.

No, just no.

You have no idea. =P

I do have many ideas. Your bows do no damage, your defense is horrible and everyone decent will melt you easily.
You are one of those in Chaosball and other object games, who just dies in cleave as collateral damage so to say
But honestly, it matters not. Because you are happy with this, so who am I to tell you to reconsider.

I just hope to never have you in my team. As long as this doesn't happen, it's fine and bothers me not.

Actually no, I'm a high mobility build that covers the weaknesses of dodge rolling and streak, combined with high ward strength, major expedition from the bows complementing dodge roll, dark deal for stam management, and daedric tomb plus dawnbreaker/soul shatter to grind people down.

But keep up with your hate. I get enough hatemail

Seems like you play a sub optimal bad build and are for some reason telling people to stop 'chasing meta'.

Explain the bow/ bow? Because if i wanted major expedition i'd use the sorc skill that gives it for 8s or i'd use pots which give 100% uptime.

Not sure why you'd give up the extra 8% dmg from inferno, the inferno passive, light attacks that actually hurt as well as the potential to heavy attack for resources.

How exactly do you heal? Because dark deal just isn't enough. The class has no heals.

You can play whatever pleases you i guess, just get off your high horse telling people to stop playing meta when you're playing a sub standing build that you'd only get away win in a big zerg where the individual player is meaningless anyway.

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

King_Thelon wrote: »

Can we get some clips of your build in action?

Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.

But i need a good laugh.

Sorc Tears!!!!! Terrorized all of Tamriel with a broken skill for a whole patch and now are whining because it’s gone. In all seriousness though. Enough with the nerf’s and more with the buffs. It will always be something broken in this game. Solid players adapt!

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

King_Thelon wrote: »

Can we get some clips of your build in action?

Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.

But i need a good laugh.

Why are you being hateful right now?

Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.

By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.

A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.

This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.

Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.

Jesus Christ, apparently anything I say is condescending, even over text. That's your own approximation of my dialogue, not my own. You want to keep your mind closed to new ideas, you go right ahead, but this stops the moment you start acting like that.

You want to see my build? Too bad, I don't cater to you, or people like you. It works, I'm happy with it, and it performs better than even I expected.

If you're PC/NA, wear your name on your sleeve. I'm sure we'll run across one another.

And by the way, I never told him to chase my playstyle, nor did I say it was superior for everyone. It fits me, because I'm used to playing a stam sorc. The magsorc toolset compliments it better than stamina, in my own experience. You people get so wound up because your favorite class takes a few nerf bats, you get tense, defensive, and absolutely refuse to adapt.

You sound like a victim right now.

Are you really a victim?

jabrone77 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

King_Thelon wrote: »

Can we get some clips of your build in action?

Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.

But i need a good laugh.

Why are you being hateful right now?

Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.

By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.

A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.

This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.

Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.

This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.

When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."

Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?

Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...

Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.

Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...

This is why sorc-haters can't be taken seriously.

No long-term sorc player campaigned for cage to be as it was. All said it would be too strong and suggested other options for it.
All sorcs want is to have a class-based CC which is worth choosing over a standard weapon cc, and a little build diversity.

And yes, when a class relies almost completely on burst - the combination of the damage loss from an entire skill AND a reliable cc is a massive nerf. You cannot just look at the ability in isolation, you have to see how it fits with the classes toolkit. When doing that, you will see that cage is now no longer worth slotting. Nobody wants their abilities to be worthless. They could have either removed the damage OR kept it undodgeable. both just guts it. They could have made the damage part a dot. They could have fixed the delay/break-free bugs.. But no - they make it into another useless ability - and what is worse - before it was buffed, there was limited use of the defensive morph.. Nobody complained about it - but that is now worse too!
Nah - sorcs are justified in being hacked off with the way they're treated..:

1. Be buffed in a way sorcs didn't want and said it was too strong
2. Be hated by the whole community for being buffed.
3. Be nerfed to a worse state than before the buffs
4. still be hated.

The sorc-hate is real. Mostly its the sorc-hate that stopped me playing the class.

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and that is with no special build that is simply knowing how to play! so why would i want to play anything that is going to perform less

and bgs is not a accurate representation of how a class performs. If any of those players were good you best believe i wouldn't of had stats like that. a good sorc is only a nightmare to potatoes other than that the class is hard countered by just about every other good magika class.

Templars=purge, eclispe, dark flares spam, not to mention they can throw on cheese of any sort

Magblade=immobilize, fear, meteor, spectra bow! incap, my favorite class for dueling!

mgk dk=best immobilization in game, and mitigate half your damage, wings, burning talons, fossilize.

i Don't have a conclusive statement about magden because i dont know a whole lot about them. i kinda stopped playing post morrowind as much because i didnt like the direction the game was going in and further more didn't care for the warden class as a whole. def the flavor of the month, also because stamina was considered meta and i still believe to this day it is. i still play passively. I've played since launch so i feel like my opinion is very credible when it comes to this.

You've played since launch, as have I, but you stopped playing at Morrowind launch. I didn't mean for this to turn into an e-peen measuring contest, but I didn't quit at Morrowind. I've played everything under the sun for the magsorc, and the traditional approach is absolutely boring.

I'm the person who has a dozen builds for different situations, because I like variety, and I'm borderline obsessive about getting it right once I get it in my head to do.

Who do you think has more fun with the game right now? Who do you think realized he's the only reason for his own failure, and not the game, devs, or players?

Take your time. You'll figure it out.

my point is simple
every stamina class in open world will treat you better in outnumbered situations vs a magika sorcerer "in terms of being a good player" im not saying mgk sorcerer is the worst class by any means but the road its been headed down since this games journey, i wouldn't be surprised if it did become absolutely not viable in pvp. you cant call somebody bias when they played the class from the start and who has invested 1000's of hours into the game and who've seen the evolution of the game and the class.