If it's not worth it, don't buy it. Or sub for one month, run the crap out of it, then unsub again. Or you can now essentially buy it with gold from another player. Plenty of options to choose from.

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

You're comparing apples and oranges yet again on this issue.

WoW = Expansions
ESO = DLC

They are not the same thing. Now you want to compare Expansion and Chapters you have something to argue possibly. Also remember though WoW expansions take roughly 2 years. ZoS is pushing out a major update every 3 months and one chapter a year.

This is another reason to just sub. You get the crafting bag which is more than worth the sub price. Then you get the DLC content for "free". Yes you could figure out an exact amount but it would be so low it wouldn't really matter.

To be fair, the content disparity between Summerset (an “expansion”) and battle for azeroth is jarring to say the least.

We got one zone that looks more or less the same.

They got several zones (each larger and more environmentally diverse than the one we got), several new game modes, half a dozen alternate forms for existing races, each with their own lore, a total re-vamp for open world pvp, dozens of mounts to unlock, and that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head.

Sure we love ESO’s expansions because we love ESO. But are we really getting as much value as we could be?

Zenimax isn’t some tiny indie company. According to them, ESO is one of the most popular MMOs in the world. They’re making more than enough money to match WoW’s level of value, whether you personally like WoW or not.

Bought the wolfhunter for 487k gold.

I'd rather have a new DLC every 3 months than a big expansion every 2 years.

noob in denial wrote: »

I don't know about you guys, but i am so dissapointed about the price/content ratio we get with these DLCs. The wolfhunter DLC brings 2 new dungeons at the price of roughly ~25 euros. Like seriously, we don't get 5% of the content WoW players get for the same amount of money paid when a new expansion is released. Keep in mind that expansions there are so big that not even all ESO's DLCs combined bring as much content as one WoW expansion. And their subscription is even cheaper, 11euros a month and can be paid with in game gold, compared to 13euros here ( 11 euro only if you buy 6 months at once ).

Yes, i am aware that subscription gives a free acces to DLCs as long as it lasts and the DLC price is high so it forces buying the subscription, but in the end we get very low value for our money. Not to mention we do not have end game lore/content that could go hand in hand with eachother, just random stuff threw around to keep the game "somewhat" fresh. WoW's lore/story goes hand in hand with the expansions and it was continued since the first release. And that makes it so interesting, seeing/playing a story and complete some content that evolved with a well thought out story, not just random dlcs threw around with some random quests / *** stories. Why can't we have high quality here ?

Sounds as though you'd rather be playing WoW.

You do realize that the crowns you get when you sub can be used to buy the dlc? I bought the dlc with the crowns from the sub, so I'd keep my access if I ever dropped my sub.

Lore in the game....well, my first Elder Scrolls game was the single player Morrowind. I still have it installed on my pc. In that game I ran across vampire clans, had to find a book about possibly curing vampirism, and had to find a skull in a dunmer tomb, among other quests. I played ESO Morrowind, set how many years before the single player game? If there is simply random "lore stuff" thrown in to keep the game *somewhat* fresh, why did I find so much of it? In ESO Morrowind I met the skull I had to fetch from that dunmer tomb; he was a nice guy, for a dunmer. I met and talked with a girl searching for her sister who had been attacked by vampires...Her name was Volrina Quarra. In the single player game she was the head of one of the Quarra Vampire clan and one of the harder fights. Guess I now know how her hunt for vengeance went. In one of the buried daedric ruins I ran into a Buoyant Armiger who was killing cultists, and planning to be a right royal pain in Molag Bals backside until Bal cured his vampirism or killed him permanently. I got to tell him it was possible to beat Bal considering that what your character does. Now I know who and why Galur Rithari wrote that book I had to find in the secret library in Vivec in the single player game.... There is more, in the books and letters and locations, if you look.

You aren't satisfied and think we should have to wait as long or longer than we did for updates when nothing new was released before the console versions were finished. I'd rather not; getting dlc and chapters is going fine for me. I don't think the lore is randomly pitched about either. YMMV, of course.

idk wrote: »

First of all it’s a joke to compare this game to WoW.

Honestly. You speak of WoW as being so fabulous why are you here? Oh yes, because this is a better game.

Second, it’s laughable to say one is getting more from WoW for the same dollar. Not only cartoonish graphics but also their zones are noticeably smaller in the area one can actually travel within. They need to make each instance fairly small.

Go play WoW and their cartoonish characters and combat system. Enjoy.

Edit: I noticed OP incorrectly stated the DLC price is high to force players to subscribe. His math is way off as the cost of the three DLCs annually is less than a 12 month sub.

What a useless response which does nothing to advance the discussion.

Whether you personally like WoW is entirely meaningless to this discussion. The point is that for a comparable price, WoW (and most AAA MMOs) offer far more content. ESO is slacking because they know people like you will defend them no matter what.

Of course we love ESO. Thats why we're here. But don't you think we deserve more bang for our buck? I just feel like we forget how abnormal this all is. We're paying so much for relatively little.

Wouldn't you rather Summerset be a more diverse, dense place? Wouldn't you welcome new, lore-friendly character customization options? Improvements to PvP? Entirely new game-modes? Wouldn't you welcome more frequent updates to the current expansion as the year(s) go on? That's not asking for much. That is the standard for an "expansion" of this cost. ESO can do so much more, but they don't. Why do you think that is?

1500 crowns = 13 euros

True costs too much for too little

That sounds very stupid to me and if that's true, he probably regreted it immediately. People that are here already paid for this and want the game to improve.

psychotrip wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

You're comparing apples and oranges yet again on this issue.

WoW = Expansions
ESO = DLC

They are not the same thing. Now you want to compare Expansion and Chapters you have something to argue possibly. Also remember though WoW expansions take roughly 2 years. ZoS is pushing out a major update every 3 months and one chapter a year.

This is another reason to just sub. You get the crafting bag which is more than worth the sub price. Then you get the DLC content for "free". Yes you could figure out an exact amount but it would be so low it wouldn't really matter.

To be fair, the content disparity between Summerset (an “expansion”) and battle for azeroth is jarring to say the least.

We got one zone that looks more or less the same.

They got several zones (each larger and more environmentally diverse than the one we got), several new game modes, half a dozen alternate forms for existing races, each with their own lore, a total re-vamp for open world pvp, dozens of mounts to unlock, and that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head.

Sure we love ESO’s expansions because we love ESO. But are we really getting as much value as we could be?

Zenimax isn’t some tiny indie company. According to them, ESO is one of the most popular MMOs in the world. They’re making more than enough money to match WoW’s level of value, whether you personally like WoW or not.

That's quite a disingenuous comparison.

In the time it took for Battle for Azeroth to be added to WoW, ESO delivered Morrowind, Summerset, and a number of DLCs, as well as introducing Battlegrounds, a new class and a new crafting profession. Summing all that up as "one zone that looks more or less the same" is absurd.

The OP refers to subscription costs. I believe in the UK at the moment the ESO subscription for 6 months is just over £10 more than the WoW subscription, and within the ESO subscription you get 9,000 free crowns worth over £50 as well as all the DLC content free.

However, it's a free world and people are entitled to play the game or games of their choice and to follow whichever business model they prefer. Personally I play both games but consider I get much more value for money from my ESO subscriptions. Others may well feel differently.

I played this game at beta-> a few months. I am considering getting into it again, but like the OP was saying, for me to get caught up on the latest content (MW/SS and the 5ish extra dlc), the price seems prohibitively expensive. I know it is unnecessary to have all, but I am OCD like that, I want access to the complete experience without being tempted to pay for more each time I log in.

Urvoth wrote: »

I'd rather have a new DLC every 3 months than a big expansion every 2 years.

I'd rather the opposite, no interest in hardcore dungeons for niche playerbase..

Delpi wrote: »

I'm not interested in dungeon DLC so I haven't bought a DLC from a loooong time.

Same here, i've done one dungeon in ESO in four years, no interest to ever do another.. No gear would ever get me in.