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Magika Sorcerer
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Rune cage still works great, defensive rune is also a good option plus a decent anti-gank, and get a 2h for your back bar with forward momentum.
Magsorc is still in a good place play-wise, people just need to stop chasing the meta, traditional magsorc archetype.
I run a bow/bow and bow/2h pseudo-hybrid magsorc, (I say pseudo-hybrid because he's still fully magicka), in both battlegrounds and open-world PVP, and I've never had more fun, OR been more potent competitively.
Until the day they completely remove streak, my magsorc will always be in a good place.
No, just no.
You have no idea. =P
I do have many ideas. Your bows do no damage, your defense is horrible and everyone decent will melt you easily.
You are one of those in Chaosball and other object games, who just dies in cleave as collateral damage so to say
But honestly, it matters not. Because you are happy with this, so who am I to tell you to reconsider.
I just hope to never have you in my team. As long as this doesn't happen, it's fine and bothers me not.
Actually no, I'm a high mobility build that covers the weaknesses of dodge rolling and streak, combined with high ward strength, major expedition from the bows complementing dodge roll, dark deal for stam management, and daedric tomb plus dawnbreaker/soul shatter to grind people down.
Just because you can't build it, doesn't mean nobody can.
But keep up with your hate. I get enough hatemail
Firstly, there was no hate. I don't even know you and I can't hate what I don't know and I wouldn't hate you for enjoying the game the way you like.
Secondly, this is not about being able to build this or not. It's about, that I have no desire to build something that is at best, mediocre at everything but not good at anything.
Your entire post is a case of "I believe this is great, because I don't know better"
It reminds me of a scene in my childhood, where I was obsessed with insects and still am. My friend's dad told me, I should check out his garden where he has seen gigantic ants. He really hyped them up. It turned out, they were just boring little ants for my taste and smaller than german wood ants.
The moral: Some people believe something is great and good, because they lack comparison and the knowledge of what is truly great. While in reality, it is merely average and meh. I also thought my first boyfriend was.... you know. The more you know, the better you know.Edited by Dracane on August 18, 2018 10:20AMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭my point is simple
every stamina class in open world will treat you better in outnumbered situations vs a magika sorcerer "in terms of being a good player" im not saying mgk sorcerer is the worst class by any means but the road its been headed down since this games journey, i wouldn't be surprised if it did become absolutely not viable in pvp. you cant call somebody bias when they played the class from the start and who has invested 1000's of hours into the game and who've seen the evolution of the game and the class.
You've already confirmed that I've put more time into the game as a magsorc, so I am certainly qualified, as silly as that statement sounds, to rebute your claims about it being a broken class.
As I've said before, you are your only obstacle.0 -
Hostee✭✭✭Magsorc for PvE and stamsorc for PvP.... I don’t need runecage and sloads to kill you scrubs.....2 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »King_Thelon wrote: »Can we get some clips of your build in action?
Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.
But i need a good laugh.
Why are you being hateful right now?
Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.
By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.
A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.
This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.
Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.
This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.
When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."
Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?
Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...
Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.
Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...
This is why sorc-haters can't be taken seriously.
No long-term sorc player campaigned for cage to be as it was. All said it would be too strong and suggested other options for it.
All sorcs want is to have a class-based CC which is worth choosing over a standard weapon cc, and a little build diversity.
And yes, when a class relies almost completely on burst - the combination of the damage loss from an entire skill AND a reliable cc is a massive nerf. You cannot just look at the ability in isolation, you have to see how it fits with the classes toolkit. When doing that, you will see that cage is now no longer worth slotting. Nobody wants their abilities to be worthless. They could have either removed the damage OR kept it undodgeable. both just guts it. They could have made the damage part a dot. They could have fixed the delay/break-free bugs.. But no - they make it into another useless ability - and what is worse - before it was buffed, there was limited use of the defensive morph.. Nobody complained about it - but that is now worse too!
Nah - sorcs are justified in being hacked off with the way they're treated..:
1. Be buffed in a way sorcs didn't want and said it was too strong
2. Be hated by the whole community for being buffed.
3. Be nerfed to a worse state than before the buffs
4. still be hated.
The sorc-hate is real. Mostly its the sorc-hate that stopped me playing the class.
I don't "hate" sorc, as stated above, I PLAY A SORC!!
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp
Hard to believe that someone who plays the class can be critical of it though, right? Or look at it without the lense of tears?
I have never used rune cage, and I was never around for the crystal frag stun days.
Sorcs play just fine as a ranged burst with no hard mean cc needed.
Stop with the bias. If you need cc on a sorc to score kills, I have to question your aptitude on the class. It's still ridiculously easy to get kills on a sorc, even without a insane cc. Never used it, never needed it, and hardly saw anyone using it until Summerset when the sorc population exploded. Ask yourself why the sorc population almost tripled. Can't be honest about it? That's a you problem.
Whut?
Again, you ignore that I said sorcs.. S-O-R-C-S all said it was too strong. Why do you think I'm not being honest? It was too strong. Shall I say it again for you?
Now it is nerfed to be useless - which is a bad thing for any skill. Or do you disagree that useless skills are a good thing?
And as per the class - any class, but especially sorcs, killing potatoes without a cc is easy. But without a decent cc, any semi-competent player becomes more difficult than it should be.Minalan owes me a beer.
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Minie Mo - Stam/Magblade - DC
Woody Ron - Stamplar - DC
Aidee - Magsorc - DC
Notadorf - Stamsorc - DC
Khattman Doo - Stamblade - Relegated to Crafter, cos AD.7 -
Ozazz✭✭✭✭So many people on the anti sorc brigade, just here to perpetuate a false narrative and misconceptions, envious of its glory days, in hopes of the class never returning to their superior states, along with stamblade/only difference is stamblade is still a way better class and much more viable.
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Ozazz✭✭✭✭also @Judas Helviaryn my damage was 1.3 mill that 56-0 game and the other game close to a mil sooo0
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Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So many people on the anti sorc brigade, just here to perpetuate a false narrative and misconceptions, envious of its glory days, in hopes of the class never returning to their superior states, along with stamblade/only difference is stamblade is still a way better class and much more viable.
Woe is you. The world is out to get you, everyone's a traitor.
Until you accept this as false, I don't believe you'll develop the gumption to succeed again.
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Sergykid✭✭✭✭✭
✭a good sorc will still be unkillable while dealing extreme damage, but since NBs can just cloak out of sight or use the shadow out of sight which is ridiculous and has no counterplay, my priority changes from
nerf sorc and nb
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nerf nb and sorc-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube2 -
MirkoZ✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Rune cage still works great, defensive rune is also a good option plus a decent anti-gank, and get a 2h for your back bar with forward momentum.
Magsorc is still in a good place play-wise, people just need to stop chasing the meta, traditional magsorc archetype.
I run a bow/bow and bow/2h pseudo-hybrid magsorc, (I say pseudo-hybrid because he's still fully magicka), in both battlegrounds and open-world PVP, and I've never had more fun, OR been more potent competitively.
Until the day they completely remove streak, my magsorc will always be in a good place.
EDIT: To clarify, this is my own personal build and playstyle. I'm not pushing it on anyone else, I'm using it as an example to show you that you can think outside of the box, and achieve acceptable results without being tied to the meta, and getting nerfed every single major patch.
Here's a few okay-ish matches on my part. I'm that guy who skips the objective when people get haughty, and goes for kills, but I do initially play the objective.
These were completely with the bow/bow and bow/2h magsorc builds.
Did someone say free ap ? 0 -
Ozazz✭✭✭✭a good sorc will still be unkillable while dealing extreme damage, but since NBs can just cloak out of sight or use the shadow out of sight which is ridiculous and has no counterplay, my priority changes from
nerf sorc and nb
to
nerf nb and sorc
to be polite i'm just going to say save your opinion, and i'm sure there are other posts that would be delighted to have your input0 -
huschdeguddzje✭✭✭✭I think a lot of the frustration comes from our shield stacking capabilities.
When I'm on my nightblade I usually leave magsorcs alone till I know they are low on resources.
But people assume the class they use should be able to bash every other class in every situation, not realising that some classes should have better match ups against others, and that they should not be required to work with their team.
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MirkoZ✭✭✭✭a good sorc will still be unkillable while dealing extreme damage, but since NBs can just cloak out of sight or use the shadow out of sight which is ridiculous and has no counterplay, my priority changes from
nerf sorc and nb
to
nerf nb and sorc
I think sorc has been nerfed enough.7 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »King_Thelon wrote: »Can we get some clips of your build in action?
Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.
But i need a good laugh.
Why are you being hateful right now?
Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.
By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.
A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.
This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.
Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.
This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.
When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."
Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?
Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...
Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.
Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...
This is why sorc-haters can't be taken seriously.
No long-term sorc player campaigned for cage to be as it was. All said it would be too strong and suggested other options for it.
All sorcs want is to have a class-based CC which is worth choosing over a standard weapon cc, and a little build diversity.
And yes, when a class relies almost completely on burst - the combination of the damage loss from an entire skill AND a reliable cc is a massive nerf. You cannot just look at the ability in isolation, you have to see how it fits with the classes toolkit. When doing that, you will see that cage is now no longer worth slotting. Nobody wants their abilities to be worthless. They could have either removed the damage OR kept it undodgeable. both just guts it. They could have made the damage part a dot. They could have fixed the delay/break-free bugs.. But no - they make it into another useless ability - and what is worse - before it was buffed, there was limited use of the defensive morph.. Nobody complained about it - but that is now worse too!
Nah - sorcs are justified in being hacked off with the way they're treated..:
1. Be buffed in a way sorcs didn't want and said it was too strong
2. Be hated by the whole community for being buffed.
3. Be nerfed to a worse state than before the buffs
4. still be hated.
The sorc-hate is real. Mostly its the sorc-hate that stopped me playing the class.
I don't "hate" sorc, as stated above, I PLAY A SORC!!
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp
Hard to believe that someone who plays the class can be critical of it though, right? Or look at it without the lense of tears?
I have never used rune cage, and I was never around for the crystal frag stun days.
Sorcs play just fine as a ranged burst with no hard mean cc needed.
Stop with the bias. If you need cc on a sorc to score kills, I have to question your aptitude on the class. It's still ridiculously easy to get kills on a sorc, even without a insane cc. Never used it, never needed it, and hardly saw anyone using it until Summerset when the sorc population exploded. Ask yourself why the sorc population almost tripled. Can't be honest about it? That's a you problem.
Whut?
Again, you ignore that I said sorcs.. S-O-R-C-S all said it was too strong. Why do you think I'm not being honest? It was too strong. Shall I say it again for you?
Now it is nerfed to be useless - which is a bad thing for any skill. Or do you disagree that useless skills are a good thing?
And as per the class - any class, but especially sorcs, killing potatoes without a cc is easy. But without a decent cc, any semi-competent player becomes more difficult than it should be.
If you feel I was overreacting, let me apologize. I am sorry.
I get frustrated with fellow sorcs who relied so heavily on the rune cage crutch that they cannot seem to function without it, and come to cry how sorcs are now useless.
It makes us look like whiny little kids, and I hate it.
Sorcs were strong, have been strong, and will continue to be strong.
Now it'll take a little more skill to pull off those kill numbers, and I don't think that's a bad thing. I'm ashamed to say fellow sorcs obviously don't feel the same. (In general, not directed at you personally.) Its sad and makes us look like female dogs...if you get my meaning...1 -
Ozazz✭✭✭✭you give them a inch they will take a mile, symbolic towards the mass. Its apparent that zos has taken a cater to the mass approach on their game. After all, they are a business, this is a common method in all video games.I came to this realization the older i got and acknowledged that business is not suitable to co exist with authenticity or originality. if you evaluate some games that had the same approach with no regard for their skillgaps/veterans/community, games being like Halo, H171, Call of duty or any skillful games that was not user friendly towards the generic recreational player in competitive play, you would see that these game manufacturers radically changed their product for the pursuit of popularity being careless towards their veterans . What do all these games have in common? They all catastrophically declined.1
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Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭a good sorc will still be unkillable while dealing extreme damage, but since NBs can just cloak out of sight or use the shadow out of sight which is ridiculous and has no counterplay, my priority changes from
nerf sorc and nb
to
nerf nb and sorc
I think sorc has been nerfed enough.
i think sorc's been nerfed too much, and i'm not talking about rune cage, that skill should've never been monkeyed with in the first place.6 -
Ozazz✭✭✭✭with this discussion ongoing, i do appreciate all the input though, I think its safe to say i'm very passionate about this game and my class too. I wouldn't still be here today talking about these points on forums otherwise. I felt a Obligated duty to give a valid opinion and a long time veteran perspective on this subject matter.0
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Ozazz✭✭✭✭huschdeguddzje wrote: »I think a lot of the frustration comes from our shield stacking capabilities.
When I'm on my nightblade I usually leave magsorcs alone till I know they are low on resources.
But people assume the class they use should be able to bash every other class in every situation, not realising that some classes should have better match ups against others, and that they should not be required to work with their team.
if the class didn't have shields it wouldn't be a class along with magblade too simple as that
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hitman2nine✭✭a good sorc will still be unkillable while dealing extreme damage, but since NBs can just cloak out of sight or use the shadow out of sight which is ridiculous and has no counterplay, my priority changes from
nerf sorc and nb
to
nerf nb and sorc
Inner Light... detect pots..... you can also see the shade when they drop it. Make them fight close to the shade. Problem with rune cage was that most of the time you could not CC break it even with full stam. Meanwhile being stuck there you have a time bomb (endless) sitting on you waiting to explode2 -
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✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »I run a bow/bow and bow/2h pseudo-hybrid magsorc, (I say pseudo-hybrid because he's still fully magicka), in both battlegrounds and open-world PVP, and I've never had more fun, OR been more potent competitively.
@Judas Helviaryn
I'm really curious to know what exactly that build entails, because that sounds very counterintuitive, lol.
I have to question your screenshots by the way, as MagSorcs running the execute are very easy to get kills with, especially in fast-paced battlegrounds, and I don't believe having lots of kills is necessarily proof of much. Because, not only can you steal kills from your team mates, but also the enemy teams. The MagSorc is uniquely primed to exploit the way bgs reward kill stealing, and regardless of who I fight with or against, if they are a halfway decent sorc, then they have a lot of kills. As a player who runs MagDK a lot, I find it frustrating that on paper the sorcs basically have all the kills, even if they were just rewarded for doing 5% of the overall damage to a target. For example, in the last picture, even with 23 kills and 10 assist you have less than 600k total damage, and every member of every other team have more assists than kills.
Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is, a video would probably have been better if you were trying to prove a point, since I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows how MagSorcs work in bgs.3 -
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »King_Thelon wrote: »Can we get some clips of your build in action?
Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.
But i need a good laugh.
Why are you being hateful right now?
Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.
By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.
A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.
This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.
Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.
This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.
When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."
Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?
Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...
Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.
Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...
This is why sorc-haters can't be taken seriously.
No long-term sorc player campaigned for cage to be as it was. All said it would be too strong and suggested other options for it.
All sorcs want is to have a class-based CC which is worth choosing over a standard weapon cc, and a little build diversity.
And yes, when a class relies almost completely on burst - the combination of the damage loss from an entire skill AND a reliable cc is a massive nerf. You cannot just look at the ability in isolation, you have to see how it fits with the classes toolkit. When doing that, you will see that cage is now no longer worth slotting. Nobody wants their abilities to be worthless. They could have either removed the damage OR kept it undodgeable. both just guts it. They could have made the damage part a dot. They could have fixed the delay/break-free bugs.. But no - they make it into another useless ability - and what is worse - before it was buffed, there was limited use of the defensive morph.. Nobody complained about it - but that is now worse too!
Nah - sorcs are justified in being hacked off with the way they're treated..:
1. Be buffed in a way sorcs didn't want and said it was too strong
2. Be hated by the whole community for being buffed.
3. Be nerfed to a worse state than before the buffs
4. still be hated.
The sorc-hate is real. Mostly its the sorc-hate that stopped me playing the class.
I don't "hate" sorc, as stated above, I PLAY A SORC!!
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp
Hard to believe that someone who plays the class can be critical of it though, right? Or look at it without the lense of tears?
I have never used rune cage, and I was never around for the crystal frag stun days.
Sorcs play just fine as a ranged burst with no hard mean cc needed.
Stop with the bias. If you need cc on a sorc to score kills, I have to question your aptitude on the class. It's still ridiculously easy to get kills on a sorc, even without a insane cc. Never used it, never needed it, and hardly saw anyone using it until Summerset when the sorc population exploded. Ask yourself why the sorc population almost tripled. Can't be honest about it? That's a you problem.
Whut?
Again, you ignore that I said sorcs.. S-O-R-C-S all said it was too strong. Why do you think I'm not being honest? It was too strong. Shall I say it again for you?
Now it is nerfed to be useless - which is a bad thing for any skill. Or do you disagree that useless skills are a good thing?
And as per the class - any class, but especially sorcs, killing potatoes without a cc is easy. But without a decent cc, any semi-competent player becomes more difficult than it should be.
If you feel I was overreacting, let me apologize. I am sorry.
I get frustrated with fellow sorcs who relied so heavily on the rune cage crutch that they cannot seem to function without it, and come to cry how sorcs are now useless.
It makes us look like whiny little kids, and I hate it.
Sorcs were strong, have been strong, and will continue to be strong.
Now it'll take a little more skill to pull off those kill numbers, and I don't think that's a bad thing. I'm ashamed to say fellow sorcs obviously don't feel the same. (In general, not directed at you personally.) Its sad and makes us look like female dogs...if you get my meaning...
You have to realize that a majority of the issues came from fotm riders and this only expedited the crying on the forums at a catalytic rate. Now that sorc has been nerfed they can resort to falling back to their mains. However, sorc mains are left with a husk of their former class. This is worth being pissed over.Edited by usmguy1234 on August 18, 2018 3:47PMZaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.3 -
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✭✭Ok
You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?
Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensivelyFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info3 -
usmguy1234✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ok
You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?
Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively
Yes let's use the cc that has exponential cost increase, that is unidirectional... and broken by the time you turn around. Thank you for fixing all of our issues.Edited by usmguy1234 on August 18, 2018 5:11PMZaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
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Ozazz✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »my point is simple
every stamina class in open world will treat you better in outnumbered situations vs a magika sorcerer "in terms of being a good player" im not saying mgk sorcerer is the worst class by any means but the road its been headed down since this games journey, i wouldn't be surprised if it did become absolutely not viable in pvp. you cant call somebody bias when they played the class from the start and who has invested 1000's of hours into the game and who've seen the evolution of the game and the class.
You've already confirmed that I've put more time into the game as a magsorc, so I am certainly qualified, as silly as that statement sounds, to rebute your claims about it being a broken class.
As I've said before, you are your only obstacle.
m8 i semi agree with some of your topics, but i have over 5k hours on my mgk sorc on console and over a 1000k on pc i think i have a pretty qualified opinion and there are only few players i would cherish their opinion over mine if you feel.Ok
You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?
Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively
streak offensively in today's age is pretty much near useless, you would pretty much have to play mgk for four years to really have a full credible opinion when it comes to this0 -
Thialmer✭✭Not having a reliable cc is difficult for Sorcs, and is a solid nerf against the class. It's not that the class is now unplayable its that the consistency isn't there. Theres no real diversity anymore if you want to be at the top of the competitive pvp. You have to run master's with destructive touch, and that's sad. There needs to be a class based cc.
Also, playing a class for 2 months in pvp can tell you what you need to know. 4 years is crazy elitist.Edited by Thialmer on August 18, 2018 7:50PM1 -
thegreat_one✭✭✭✭I like the fact that U don't rely on your Runecage to proc while streaking away like a coward!0
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Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭thegreat_one wrote: »I like the fact that U don't rely on your Runecage to proc while streaking away like a coward!
If everybody plays dirty, it's a fair fight.
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✭its really depressing how this class has been regressing for years now while people still have the miss conception of being the best and truly undermine the player skill it takes to have success in pvp! Any stam class in pvp will treat you better in outnumbered situations modernly speaking. its pretty evident that zos had no regard for the skillful game play frag cc implemented in the game, so much of open world success and dueling revolved around it, not to mention if you were on a magic sorcerer vs another, the entire fight revolved around the cc. the skill has taken a 30% damage reduction, with might of the guild and they still deny us our cc mean while they debuff our only other reliable cc. there's a reason more people play stam sorc then magic lets be honest here . my 2 points would have to be frag cc and some type of snare removal thank you for your time.
MAG SORC is so op
>- i regret playing since launch on a lousy hated magplar.
- i played 2 days without helm and shoulders (must have moved it to another character for some reason) and it played/felt MILES ahead of any other class i've played.
- it makes the hardest content in the game DISGUSTINGLY EASY...
- to put into terms i think communicate it quickly = it OUTCLASSES all other classes...it can heal, burst, sustain, move, etc. the best or better than every other class. for TALOS' sake = it comes with its own set of tanks! You can literally call down pets that will tank humans and npcs AND obstruct targeting to you! that's...that's...like having a passive that gives you "15% for the enemy to be unable to target you at all times."
it literrally needs its own spinoff dlc to showcase its awesomeness. the jedi would be like them if the sith didn't exist...
The MOMENT, SECOND, INSTANT a change class token is offerred my main is going to sorc school!
OP, sir... @Ozazz if anybody with skill played the sorc, it would truly be unstoppable!"The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:
Knowledge, freedom, uncertainty and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
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Insight to Agree to Awesome Ratio = 1:6.04:2.76 as of 1/25/2019
Compared to people that I've ignored = I am 18% more insightful, 20% less agreeable, and 88% more awesome.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »King_Thelon wrote: »Can we get some clips of your build in action?
Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.
But i need a good laugh.
Why are you being hateful right now?
Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.
By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.
A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.
This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.
Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.
This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.
When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."
Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?
Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...
Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.
Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...
Unsure any decent sorcs said rune cage was fine. All the decent ones on the PTS thread said it was OP but weren't listened to.
And you only are talking about half the story. Needs where in a bad place post Frag nerfs, everyone knew it, including zos hence They got the buff to cage, which has been regressed. As has gank from overload, as has our execute, empowered flags gone and execute nerfed.
So yeah sorcs are moaning because they are in a worse place than when everyone knew they were low down the order (last two patches)
If you still have issues with Sorcs post this patch. L2P is all folks can say. And what's on the horizon....ward nerfs. Great.
Yet still lousy players will say Sorcs are favorites and OP.....Xbox One | EU | EP
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