Passionate Players Who Can Be A Little Intolerant

Pandorii · August 2018

Casual games and solo players: Do you ever find yourself face-to-face with committed players who are a little rigid with their ways? Example: hardcore PvErs who criticize you if you don't have the right best-in-slot gear. PvPers who criticize you for not being loyal to the faction or having all the right siege. Trader guild leaders who kick you because you didn't know all the prices or some other erroneous rule they set. Social guilds that expect you to participate and attend events daily.

I just want to come home after a stressful day of work and have fun, but everywhere I turn I'm face-to-face with a committed player who is like 'how dare you not know X'. They expect me to be as committed as them.

Really bums me out. I want to contribute and cooperate, but at my slow pace it seems like it's never enough. Any suggestions? Should I just go back to single player games?

Finviuswe · August 2018

Well, coming to the dungeon with bad gear is a big big problem.

If you dont agree with the guild's rules, well, maybe you should leave that guild.

This is a very competitive game. The best guilds often have rules and/or policies, and low performance in game is grounds for kicking and other punishment.

[Edit to remove bait]

otis67 · August 2018

Play your way. Who cares what others think?

Taleof2Cities · August 2018

Are you in casual guilds and doing casual content, @Pandorii?

Because that is where like-minded players hang out ...

Juhasow · August 2018

otis67 wrote: »

Play your way. Who cares what others think?

Everyone who wants to complete game end content.

Sylvermynx · August 2018

I don't know. Are you in a guild? Is it guildies who are coming off this way? I just solo 99.9% of the time (my friends in the game have WAY better connections than I do - so grouping with me is like waiting for molasses running uphill in January and I try not to get in their way).

It sounds as if you want to do group content. But perhaps that's not something that's realistic until you have a long vacation, or you retire?

I find playing solo in this game works - but it's not something that is going to get you a lot of xp or great gear. I get decent blue and purple gear by having done the Psijic quest line (at least through the first part) on most of my girls - because Psijic portals give you gear far better than you'll get unless you can run delves and dungeons (which with my lag, I just can't). I don't even go there with grouping, because I know a group will be at a disadvantage with me at 999+ lag.

There are things we all expect with games. My expectation is just to explore and have fun. This game does that for me - but I'm not trying to do group content. So I don't have to deal with the expectations of others. If what you really want is the group content, well.... you're going to have to decide to not having a relaxing "play the game my way" I think.

I hope you find some way to enjoy the beauty that is ESO.

Judas Helviaryn · August 2018

The people you're describing aren't passionate or just mildly intolerant. They're toxic and obsessive, and the internet is the only medium they can indulge in their habits without major repercussions.

Passionate but slightly intolerant people are those who stick with the game, know it inside and out, and get sick of answering the same questions over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again, primarily from people who A: don't have the right questions, B: come in expecting to be experts from day one, and C: are very apparently going to become these toxic elitists already in the game.

It's annoying to pour your time into someone, just to have them throw it away, in your face, or use it to hurt others.

Doctordarkspawn · August 2018

Almost all of the 'git gud' in this forum is from passionate players who think that if your not willing to adapt to constantly changing game, you shouldn't be here, which is a great way to make sure people -dont- stay.

Enemoriana · August 2018

Pandorii wrote: »

Really bums me out. I want to contribute and cooperate, but at my slow pace it seems like it's never enough. Any suggestions? Should I just go back to single player games?

Just find friends and change guild?

My werewolf guild took me to normal trials despite I said that I'm terrible dd and wasn't sure myself that I'll be able do anything there except dying. My social guild and some friends sometimes carry me through vet dungeons. And I just don't communicate with my trade guilds at all (well, not at all, sometimes I ask "anybody for boss/dungeon?").
I don't do PvP, though.

Recremen · August 2018

There are definitely some elitists who will never understand the desire for casual play, but hopefully you don't run into that type too often. At least in my experience there are more actively helpful than actively harmful players by a pretty large margin.

That said, I think there's at least some need to meet people halfway, though. For instance, if you're PvPing in a competitive Cyrodiil server I don't think it's unreasonable to hold at least some expectations for the quality of play. Same for if you're going into a Veteran-mode dungeon, or any version of a Trial. You should have at least a small amount of understanding for what you're doing, and the good news is that this game, with its easy-to-craft gear (except jewelry) can quickly put even some of the most casual players into battle-ready equipment super fast. There's also loads of guides online if you're trying to do that kind of content. What I'm saying is, if you do attempt to do non-casual content, you need to have at least a little bit of a non-casual attitude about it so that everyone participating can have fun.

Good luck out there!

Finviuswe · August 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Almost all of the 'git gud' in this forum is from passionate players who think that if your not willing to adapt to constantly changing game, you shouldn't be here, which is a great way to make sure people -dont- stay.

This is a very competitive game.

Performance is the main factor in deciding one's position within the game.

You can almost think of all the 'git guds' or the 'L2Ps' as a gentle nudge of encouragement. If you cannot clear content at an adequate level, then you are bound to incite those around you. It is not in your interest to do that.

VaranisArano · August 2018

You don't need the meta builds to complete the content. Maybe you won't have the most efficient run ever. But as long as you can complete the content, who really cares?

But there is a point where you have to respect your fellow players. If your desired set-up can't complete the content or is markedly inefficient, well, maybe its time to pay attention to the basics of making a viable build or practicing a damage rotation. If you want to do group content, its reasonable to expect that you should actually be able to fulfill the basic requirements of the role you chose for the content you are running.

This, incidentally, is why the meta has a bigger hold over the trials community than in dungeons. Because if you are going to get 12 people out for an activity, you'd better respect the time and effort of your teammates by coming prepared with good gear and good builds. With 4 people and a bigger margin for error, dungeons aren't as bad.

PVP is a little different, given that the competitiveness and survival-of-the-fittest style tends to create and enforce a meta in a fairly brutal fashion. Something works, or it doesn't, and the difference is how many death recaps you take vs the other guy.

Doctordarkspawn · August 2018

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Almost all of the 'git gud' in this forum is from passionate players who think that if your not willing to adapt to constantly changing game, you shouldn't be here, which is a great way to make sure people -dont- stay.

This is a very competitive game.

Performance is the main factor in deciding one's position within the game.

You can almost think of all the 'git guds' or the 'L2Ps' as a gentle nudge of encouragement. If you cannot clear content at an adequate level, then you are bound to incite those around you. It is not in your interest to do that.

"This is a very competative game."

And that right there is the problem. It shouldn't have been. It was made like this because ZOS made the mistake of recruiting devs from DAOC who tried to make the same thing here for a franchise that was as far from competative as you can get.

And now we see the divide because of that. And *** 'gentle nudge of encouragement', it's a cult mentality. You join the cult or your excluded, berated, and broken down on a social level. That's not gentle or positive.

ESO should cater to the competative but it should never have been the main focus.

Pandorii · August 2018

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I don't know. Are you in a guild? Is it guildies who are coming off this way? I just solo 99.9% of the time (my friends in the game have WAY better connections than I do - so grouping with me is like waiting for molasses running uphill in January and I try not to get in their way).

It sounds as if you want to do group content. But perhaps that's not something that's realistic until you have a long vacation, or you retire?

I find playing solo in this game works - but it's not something that is going to get you a lot of xp or great gear. I get decent blue and purple gear by having done the Psijic quest line (at least through the first part) on most of my girls - because Psijic portals give you gear far better than you'll get unless you can run delves and dungeons (which with my lag, I just can't). I don't even go there with grouping, because I know a group will be at a disadvantage with me at 999+ lag.

There are things we all expect with games. My expectation is just to explore and have fun. This game does that for me - but I'm not trying to do group content. So I don't have to deal with the expectations of others. If what you really want is the group content, well.... you're going to have to decide to not having a relaxing "play the game my way" I think.

I hope you find some way to enjoy the beauty that is ESO.

I've been in a few different kinds of guilds, and I will keep jumping around until I find one that's a good fit.

It's more a battle with the individuals. I want to be respectful and recognize that they have strong opinions because they are strongly committed. But I am not, and I don't want to have a 1 hour heater convo about why this build is better than that one. Or why it's important that I follow this arbitrary guild rule. It makes gaming feel like a job.

VaranisArano · August 2018

As for guilds, don't be afraid to leave a guild that's not your speed. There are lots of guilds out there and you've got 5 guild slots. There's no reason to stay in one where you feel like you don't belong.

There are a lot of guilds that are very low pressure, but you may have to look around and try a couple guilds before you find them. I'm in two trading guilds right now. One is low pressure, great trader, and with no social requirements. My other one is a little more active socially, and has much higher sales minimums, but I'm okay with that. My PVP guild is one of the faction loyalist guilds, but that suits me since I've been EP ever since I started playing. There are plenty of cross-faction PVP guilds out there if that's to your taste. Also, I recently left one of my trading guilds because they were changing the way they ran some of the events I had participated in to a method that I wasn't interested in sticking with. I left on good terms because the direction the guild was headed in didn't suit me.

It might take some searching, but I'm sure you'll find guilds that suit your playstyle.

jmgrant44ub17_ESO · August 2018

Find big guilds that focus on one thing and do the other things with people in the guild. I find I have more fun doing trials with people from my trade guild because it's not a trials guild. Any time you have to deal with people in a game or in real life you come across all types

The other option is to find a well rounded guild with player at all ends of the spectrum.

You can all so play this game like a single player game. There is so much to do without ever talking to another player. The largest group of players in pvp are the pugs (turn off your chat and set yourself offline and no one can bother you).

Ohtimbar · August 2018

There are legions of immature jerkwads who play this game. They need to get a life and learn how to interact with other human beings.

WreckfulAbandon · August 2018

Some people are just intense all of the time in all that they do. There are people with all different kinds of personalities from all walks of life. Maybe one person is an unemployed casual and maybe another is an elitist who works 60 hr weeks and is always dialed up to 11. So trying to keep realistic expectations and not take things too seriously is a good attitude for yourself. Can't control others nor should you try to. It's hard enough controlling yourself sometimes.

Tasear · August 2018

They aren't the right people for you. I had those feelings once where I wondered why I couldn't fit in. Then one day "I clicked leave guild". I regretted it for a day. Then I found people who I can laugh and connect with.

BBC
Where where take break in making money for pvp once a week. Also very organized in funds and structure. (P.S shop in rawkla for best deals

)

Akaviri Exchange

I been with you guys for three years. I like that they run trials frequently will pug players for trials. (craglorn for great deals too)

Kongpanions

I meet these guys in a random dungeons. Told bunch of wierdos! I love all their theory crafting and openmindess. We dk healers, Sorc tank, and all sorts of variations on gameplay. I truly have fun with them.

Moonlight Travelers

A dungeons and social guild that has good people to talk too and take many adventures with. Very proud or guild photo won deadric dress up contest!

There's been some other amazing ones too that had fun with but had to move on from though occasion, but as to say moving on is okay if things aren't working out then do best for you.

Skullstachio · August 2018

@Pandorii wrote: »

Casual games and solo players: Do you ever find yourself face-to-face with committed players who are a little rigid with their ways? Example: hardcore PvErs who criticize you if you don't have the right best-in-slot gear. PvPers who criticize you for not being loyal to the faction or having all the right siege. Trader guild leaders who kick you because you didn't know all the prices or some other erroneous rule they set. Social guilds that expect you to participate and attend events daily.

I just want to come home after a stressful day of work and have fun, but everywhere I turn I'm face-to-face with a committed player who is like 'how dare you not know X'. They expect me to be as committed as them.

Really bums me out. I want to contribute and cooperate, but at my slow pace it seems like it's never enough. Any suggestions? Should I just go back to single player games?

I know that feeling, why just today, During Veteran City of Ash I, I got kicked from the group just because they couldn’t be bothered to kill mobs (Usually when I do vet content, I kill mobs to get the loot as most of the “Undaunted plunder” as they call it is nearly equivalent to 10K worth.) and honestly, groups like that just really bring me down and get on my nerves.

But otherwise, Ye have a good day laddie.

G1Countdown · August 2018

No way that you should have to go back to single player games. You absolutely do not have to follow the meta. Play as you see fit. If you want to be a magplar with a bow while being a weird race that's ok. You play how you see fit.

But unfortunately, once you start doing group content it gets a little more complicated. Each character has a role to play while doing group content like dungeons or trials. And unfortunately if you don't compensate for your choices (if needed) it can be hard to fulfill that role at times and then you're group may get vocal. Me? I'm an Imperial magplar healer. Traditionally not a good choice. But, my gear is appropriate (while not being BiS) and my CP is maxed and allocated) - so my dumb decision to be an Imperial magplar doesn't hurt as much as it could).

So if you are getting garbage from other players, don't let it get to you. But, if you are getting advice from other players - you don't have to take it, but it doesn't hurt to listen to see if you'd like to apply it later.

That's my 2 cents.

Haashhtaag · August 2018

Tbh the best PvPers care very little about faction loyalty

Finviuswe · August 2018

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Tbh the best PvPers care very little about faction loyalty

I don't value faction loyalty that much at all because I believe one's gameplay experience is heavily enriched by playing multiple factions. ie, if you haven't played on multiple factions, you have missed out on a significant gameplay experience.

I do feel that abusing the system to try to 'rig' campaigns is something to be looked down upon, however.

witchdoctor · August 2018

Alpha-Lupi wrote: »

I know that feeling, why just today, During Veteran City of Ash I, I got kicked from the group just because they couldn’t be bothered to kill mobs (Usually when I do vet content, I kill mobs to get the loot as most of the “Undaunted plunder” as they call it is nearly equivalent to 10K worth.) and honestly, groups like that just really bring me down and get on my nerves.

You will not find undaunted plunder in Vet COA or any vet dungeon, only in vet trials.

witchdoctor · August 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Moonlight Travelers

A dungeons and social guild that has good people to talk too and take many adventures with. Very proud or guild photo won deadric dress up contest!

I was in MT for a time (moved on solely due to time zone disparity). Highly recommend them.

D0PAMINE · August 2018

Tasear wrote: »

They aren't the right people for you. I had those feelings once where I wondered why I couldn't fit in. Then one day "I clicked leave guild". I regretted it for a day. Then I found people who I can laugh and connect with.

BBC
Where where take break in making money for pvp once a week. Also very organized in funds and structure. (P.S shop in rawkla for best deals )

Akaviri Exchange

I been with you guys for three years. I like that they run trials frequently will pug players for trials. (craglorn for great deals too)

Kongpanions

I meet these guys in a random dungeons. Told bunch of wierdos! I love all their theory crafting and openmindess. We dk healers, Sorc tank, and all sorts of variations on gameplay. I truly have fun with them.

Moonlight Travelers

A dungeons and social guild that has good people to talk too and take many adventures with. Very proud or guild photo won deadric dress up contest!

There's been some other amazing ones too that had fun with but had to move on from though occasion, but as to say moving on is okay if things aren't working out then do best for you.

@Pandorii Yup! We would love to have you in Akaviri Exchange. We have @Tasear broken in too!

Toc de Malsvi · August 2018

There is no such thing as "properly geared", there are an abundance of different ways to play and be very very successful without playing the "meta".

Every be trial can be completed with half the dps players are calling for. Non-meta setups can achieve dps in the 95th percentile of a meta setup which renders the arguments for "proper" gear null. If you want to chase the top of the leaderboards you would find good success following the meta. However you can get on the leaderboards every week with builds that are not in the meta, I do it routinely.

This GAME is not even close to competitive, top of the leaderboards maybe but that isn't required, needed, or even desired by the vast majority of the players. MMO's subsist off of the vast non-competitive casual playerbase. These are the players buying from the crown store, these are the players paying for cosmetic goods. For every one elite end game player there are 100 players that will buy the game but never do trials, there are another 100 who will never make it to max level.

There are however choices that lead to less than desirable results. Discouraging someone from trying to perform as a dps with a S&B is one thing, expecting players to show up with a specific loadout is quite another and is extremely toxic and destructive. Players in these environments burn out and quit. ESO was created to give a vast assortment of choices, not to pigeon hole players into one persons vision of gameplay.

Thogard · August 2018

PvPers who criticize you for not being loyal to your faction are not hardcore pvpers. They are casuals.

Hardcore PvPers have toons on every alliance so that they can go wherever the action is .

FleetwoodSmack · August 2018

Thogard wrote: »

PvPers who criticize you for not being loyal to your faction are not hardcore pvpers. They are casuals.

Hardcore PvPers have toons on every alliance so that they can go wherever the action is .

Casual: "YOU PLAY ANOTHER ALLIANCE, HOW DARE!"
Hardcore PvPer: "COME BACK AND LET ME LOVE YOU."

Honestly out of the three communities, the roleplay community has been the most toxic in my experience. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Chicharron · August 2018

Every once in a while I see one of those specimens, it makes me laugh that they take a game so seriously

Once in CoA vHM Boss

no lifer: you have a debuff, go into the water.

no lifer: ENTER THE WATER BY GOD SAKE

once the boss died

no lifer: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?

me: someone died? did not receive buffs? stfu.

no lifer: you will never go to a trial with that attitude.

me: link my Perfect Vestment of Olorime in chat

no lifer: ....

me: thats what i think, adios.

Doctordarkspawn · August 2018

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

PvPers who criticize you for not being loyal to your faction are not hardcore pvpers. They are casuals.

Hardcore PvPers have toons on every alliance so that they can go wherever the action is .

Casual: "YOU PLAY ANOTHER ALLIANCE, HOW DARE!"
Hardcore PvPer: "COME BACK AND LET ME LOVE YOU."

Honestly out of the three communities, the roleplay community has been the most toxic in my experience. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

People keep saying this.

Give me specific examples. I'm curious to see them, at this point. One person saying it is an oddity, two is a pattern. By all means. PM me with them if the forums wouldn't be the right place.