Starlock wrote: »

It means I can play many different characters with any skill combinations I want and enjoy the game - something that is already true and has been since years ago.

Put another way, those of us who are not competitive really do not care about this mythical beast called ‘balance.’ The only reason I care about it a little is because the folks chasing this white whale push for changes that sometimes ruin elements of the characters I am role playing. Fortunately that has been rare, but it has happened. The worst time was with the crossbow. I freaking loved the stun on daedra/vamps and how things would burst into blue flame. That was removed... probably because someone whined about balance in PvP. I only started using it again recently on that character because they added a pull to one of the morphs. I still deeply miss the old stun/knockdown crossbow.

the cross bow was changed for non so tank in trails

For me it comes down to if all the classes can preform the same base tasks, (tank, dps, healer, pvp capability) but each class achieves these things in different ways and some classes have a slight edge in some of the roles, but not such glaring differences as we have now. It's hard to achieve tho i admit to make the classes both unique and capable to do all roles without just homogenizing them all to a point where the only thing that is different is visuals.

For me balance is a continuous spectrum from everything is equalized (e.g. classes don't matter, only skill does) to rock paper scissors (e.g. skill doesn't matter, only the matchup does), with both extremes being an undesirable form of balance. Instead, game developers should try to find a good middle ground, where each class has certain strengths and weaknesses, but bad matchups could still be won by higher skill. Imo there should never be the situation where a certain build completely wrecks another class, no matter what builds they use themselves to try to counter it.

Balance to me means relatively similar skill ceilings on each class. I'm fine if a couple are easier to pick up but the end results should be a similar skill ceiling, unlike the gaps that currently exists between the top 20% of specs and the rest. I agree with what @Oathunbound says about being able to achieve roles in different ways while preserving some semblance of diversity. It's tricky to balance for PvP, especially when you have to account for stuff like proc sets, differences in combat (solo vs smallscale vs largescale), and meta combinations that become too apparent (in Zos opinion) across the class spectrum. I would be happy if there were simply no obviously broken combat features and different classes took turns rounding off the top 5-10% as it is near impossible to find a perfect equilibrium. I'll still provide input for adjustments based on my experiences, but unless we find another SS Rune Cage, SS Sloads, OT Viper/insta procs, etc etc situation I am fine with the mild merry-go-round that is combat balance.

PvP’s balancing not affecting PvE and vice versa.

Balance to me in this game means:

I have been here since before you knew the Elder Scrolls series had an MMO client.

I have grinded through hours of content to get that one thing when you had not even considered to buy the game.

I have cried and screamed when that boss killed me for the 48th time in a row searching for that one piece of armor while you saved the money to buy the game.

I have listened to endless dialogues and played the errand boy for several NPCs for that one title, color or skill point while you jumped from game to game enjoying different play styles and genres from different developers.

I have waited patiently for my research, read every rune and book, tasted every plant and sought every resource node to gather tempers from while you debated weather or not to spend the 50 bucks you saved from your lunch money over 2 months.

I have almost given up when that one set that took me 5 months to put together and gold out gets nerfed to the ground because you just finally logged into the game and complained that you are at a disadvantage because of it.

Balance means if an adult decides to hit a child it would wreck the living soul out of them because they are older, stronger and more experienced. What we have now are some Gerber Mutant Ninja Baby monstrosities (aka Newbs) who get all the same perks as someone who has been grinding and learning for years and drinking potions of get gud washed down with tears.

Communism is a fine idea in paper, but as we can see around the world and in ESO, it doesn’t work.

If my “Playing Since Release” butt hits your “just reached level ten and I want to go to war” behind, it should hurt, and you should die!

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when you are killed by the opponent's proc meta build ( 1 light attack proc 2-3 sets )and not by the " opponent's skill " or when there's a skill/set that completely cancels a class ( example : Shieldbreaker on magicka class with magicka shields , mark target on A Nb vs enemy/enemies ).
Time ago to use this set or mark target was considered " dishonorable" .. but now they are very used above all by the Xvs1


practically as it is now the game compared to years ago.
The non cp then maximizes the cancer meta build and the dots build ( 90% of stamina plays with dw , bloody craze , sload even if nerfed and spam steel tornado )


me and some of my friends, " pvp lovers"... we stopped with eso before it was fun ; now no . Now we call it a game" for autistics ", so to speak, I do not want to offend anyone

My 2 cent