I have this philosophy.

When questing with my guildmates, My Stam NB can wear that heavy armor if he wants, even in a delve usually., but if I am in a Dungeon or trial I make sure I am a help not a hindrance so I wear what my spec should wear.Not really that big an inconvenience, and saves other folks from losing their damn minds.

Sheezabeast wrote: »

If I saw a tank with a bow....*shakes head*

I recently had to deal with a tank who was a werewolf and whose approach to "tanking" was to transform into a werewolf and leap at the enemy (dying more often than not). He was if very low CP, but that was not the problem In fact right at the beginning another member of the group tried to kick him/her and then left after the vote failed. I believed he at least deserved a chance, but it became apparent that they needed to be replaced.

Chrysa1is wrote: »

The problem with most players and elitists these days is that you either use sets that are meta and most popular, OR, get booted for simply not having a set that is good or use a skill that someone doesnt like.

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Ignoring the debate about whether this is a troll thread, I don't see how your sentence is relevant to this thread. The OP is tanking without a reliable taunt and is getting one-shotted. If a tank is failing to taunt while also dying, what exactly are they contributing to the team? The problem there isn't elitism. The problem might be rudeness, but the best case scenario is them politely telling the OP how crap their build is and suggesting to tank with an actual tank build. The reason for the rudeness is that the OP is wasting their time by being so focused on what they want their character to be that they don't care about making the game suck for 3 other people.

This is a far cry from booting a player because you don't see an Ebon buff in your character sheet.

DuskMarine wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

If I saw a tank with a bow....*shakes head*

What weapon do you suggest a tank back bar then?

Lots of tanks go double sword and shield, or back bar a 2h.

How is a 2h superior to a bow (or DW?) for a tank?

buffs but really your never suppose to roll a dps weapon on a tank period thats just asking to die

Ah. Good point. Personally, I double S+B, but I have friends more confident than me and they use a bow on their back bar for those times in a fight where the mechanic doesn't allow for tanking.

never take a dps weapon on a tank ever. if you cant tank keep debuffing the monster. the only ones who dps are of course the dps not the tank

Never ever. Definitely not on Drodda or the Engine Guardian...

Yes, on the Engine Guardian there are adds the tank can and should be doing crowd control. Still, there are some fights where the tank certainly can do more DPS alongside their buffs and debuffs.

This is poor advice to say never bring a DPS weapon. On a normal dungeon, I can certainly work DPS into a rotation that has a taunt, debuffs, and crowd control. Its incredibly useful when I get a bunch of newbies and my tank has to help carry the group.

If you meant on vet content, or content where the tank isnt certain of their role, sure. If you meant that tanks should focus on tank ing and debuffing rather than DPS, sure. But it pays to be specific when giving blanket advice like tanks should never equip a DPS weapon, because that's not true of all dungeon content.

Chrysa1is wrote: »

The problem with most players and elitists these days is that you either use sets that are meta and most popular, OR, get booted for simply not having a set that is good or use a skill that someone doesnt like.

This completely takes away the fun and idea of being unique. You do not need to confrom. Skill and survivability is way more impressive than how much dps you can do or what sets you use.
(Unless they are veteran trials or time based challenges).

My personal suggestion is to perhaps consied going back to the drawing board. Take your character and think about what you want him/her to be. You said you're a hybrid so perhaos have a look at a full magicka set that benefits yout magicka based attacks, recovery etc and then a stamina set that benefits your bow abilities.Think about the damage type you will use (fire, shock or frost glyphs) then maybe incorporate a set that gives you bonus hosen element damage. Same with stamina, pick a poison or disease or whatever other stamina friendly damage set and find a set that works with that. That leaves you with 2 slots (head and shoulder) for a third set which can be a 2 piece monster set. Just have a think about your characters role and what they are, the build from there. Study champiom point and see what goes well with chosen sets and skills. Then is a case of honing your skills and polishing and refining your techniques. Be unique! And play how you want to play! Ignore what everyone else says.

No. This is actually horrible advice for group play. If we're talking about how to play the game solo, then sure, run around in Daedric Trickery and role play to your heart's content. It doesn't matter. But when you decide that you would rather see how creative (read, "useless") you can be in group content, and become a hindrance to your group members, you are suddenly a problem. YOU (the "play-how-you-want" player) are being toxic, and feeding into the problem of elitism more than those who vote to kick.

Even though this is a troll thread, taking it as if it were serious, the OP said he was a tank. Your build advice is useless to tanks. Wear a set that buffs magicka-based attacks? Wear a set that gives buffs to poison/disease damage? Those are DPS oriented sets. He said he was a tank. Even if hybrid DPS builds were viable (gonna put this rumor to rest now, hybrid DPS builds aren't viable for end-game PvE content and probably never will be), you're still giving advice on how to fill the wrong role.

On to your first point: Getting booted for not having meta BiS gear. *sigh* I promise you, no group of competent players will EVER boot someone simply because they aren't running meta BiS gear. Players WILL boot you if you can't fill your role. If you queue as a tank and don't slot a taunt, guess what? Booted. That has nothing to do with meta, that's just basic mechanics. If you queue as a DPS and can't pull 8k DPS in normal dungeons, guess what? Booted. And by the way, it is very easy to pull 20k+ DPS with crafted gear, far from meta BiS. If you can't fill a DPS role without BiS gear, then you have a serious L2P issue and you should be practicing your rotation and taking a good look at the sets you're wearing (or, likely, the fact that you aren't even wearing matching sets because I feel like you would have to actively try to pull such low DPS in gear that was well-chosen).

To your second point, I can't dispute your idea of fun -- it's subjective. I can, however, say that my idea of fun is clearing content. You may be happy bashing skeevers in overland zones, unable to pull 6k DPS, but most players like accomplishing things. When you let your devil-may-care attitude become a burden to a group that you join, then you are actively hindering 3 other people from having fun.

To your third point, skill and survivability are not at all more impressive than how much DPS you can do if you queue as a DPS. Nobody cares how survivable a DPS is if that DPS can't hit for 8k in a normal dungeon. No one will be impressed. I promise. They will all be angry at you because the tank should be holding aggro anyway, and your "survivability DPS" build is going to make the content take longer for everyone, at which point you are literally just wasting their time.

The community isn't toxic towards build diversity. No one will kick you for wearing gear that isn't the best of the best, or running all the same skills. If you can pull the numbers and perform your role, your group will be happy, I guarantee it. But people who value build diversity to the point where it becomes ineffective are toxic to the community.

JinMori wrote: »

But tanks usually are the only ones in this game where hybrid works.

A hybrid tank can work, especially for normal dungeons.

But they've got to be able to tank.

That means having a taunt they can use effectively, crowd control to group up mobs, and enough health/resistances/damage shields to not get one-shotted by boss mechanics.

In a normal dungeon, I don't care how they build with what combo of magicka and stamina skills they run, as long as they can actually taunt and not die. I mean, I've run a leveling stam sorc with 1H and Shield with Encase as my main crowd control or a leveling Stam DK tank where practically all the control skills use magicka. Hybrids can work, though itll be harder than for a magicka or stamina tank. But you have to actually tank.

I support players that wish to play how they want. Doesn’t bother me one bit until it effects me. Light armor tanks are very difficult to play. Bow on tank is useless. If you are a tank you won’t do any damage any way. Again this may work fine in overland but if you want to do dungeons put on some heavy armor, sword and shield with taunt. You can still use the ice staff on other bar if you want. DO NOT put points into crit resist for pve, pve enemies do not crit. I’m the red tree do the basic cp setup. It works for about everything. Put at least 61 into ironclad, 49 onto hardy and elemental defender. Put some in thick skinned and the healing received one.