Single Skill Respec Costs The Same As A Full Respec
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭witchdoctor wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Srsly, let the gold scale, that's just painfull.
Its exactly as painful as it was before the Wolfhunter DLC.
Its just now more convenient since you don't have reset ALL your skillpoints but only have to change the ones you actually want to change.
Like others have put it, it is now officially less value.
Are you trying to say that you get less value from a skill respec now than before Wolfhunter? I can't tell.
Because if that's your argument, that's false. Plain wrong.
Before Wolfhunter, if I wanted to change one skill, I paid my 10,100 gold, had to reset all the skills I didnt want to change, and change my one skill. I had the opportunity to change the others if I want to.
After Wolfhunter, If I want to change one skill, I pay my 10,100 gold, change my one skill, no fuss. I still have the opportunity to change all my other skills if I want!
The value amd the cost is the same. Either way, you buy the opportunity to change all your skills no matter how many you actually change. Now, its far more convenient and you don't have to reset your whole build to change one or two skills.
Like I said, the arguments are inane. Skill respecs cost EXACTLY THE SAME and objectively have EVEN MORE VALUE now because you don’t have to waste ages reallocating points you didn’t want to reallocate in the first place, just to change one skill or passive.
Why on earth did people think it would cost less gold, given the way CP respecs currently work?
When you build a house from scratch you pay a lot of cash.
Now you tell me that changing a sink should cost same as building a house and we should even be happy that we "saved time" not being forced to rebuild house just to change sink.
yet, somehow, sink cost like entire damn house, and you are ok with that.
That is an incredibly awful attempt at an analogy.
In-game respec of skills has zero relationship with home reno.
ZOS doesn't envision cheap and easy respec. They made a change to make respec faster in line with their vision.
That's all they promised, and it was delivered as promised.
Time spent to respec is 10 minutes.
Time spent to earn 15ish K gold is way way longer.
One cannot advertise saving 8-9 minutes as "great gigamegasega QoL and time saver" when the truth is you need ton of time to earn gold for this in the first place.
This system would be fair if it would take 3k for up to 10 points changed, 6 k for 11-20 and full price for anything above.
Sounds like you want a whole different system. Cool. Go advocate for that.
If you wanted your system to be implemented for Wolfhunter, you should have been advocating for it on the PTS. The current system that went Live is firmly based on and is more convenient than the pre-Wolfhunter system in terms of time spent. I no longer have to rebuild my entire character just to change a few skills.
Or to use your terrible analogy.
Under the old system, I wanted to change my sink. I pay, my whole house gets torn down, I rebuild it exactly the way it was except I change the sink.
Under the new system, I want to change my sink. I pay, I change my sink. I could alter anything else, but I just wanted the sink.
Nobody would pay a housing contractor to do that, obviously. So by all means, advocate for your different solution. But let's not obscure the way the current system is a more convenient method than the old, which is all it was advertised as. Again, if you wanted a completely new system to debut for Wolfhunter, you should have been advocating for it on the PTS.3 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭witchdoctor wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Srsly, let the gold scale, that's just painfull.
Its exactly as painful as it was before the Wolfhunter DLC.
Its just now more convenient since you don't have reset ALL your skillpoints but only have to change the ones you actually want to change.
Like others have put it, it is now officially less value.
Are you trying to say that you get less value from a skill respec now than before Wolfhunter? I can't tell.
Because if that's your argument, that's false. Plain wrong.
Before Wolfhunter, if I wanted to change one skill, I paid my 10,100 gold, had to reset all the skills I didnt want to change, and change my one skill. I had the opportunity to change the others if I want to.
After Wolfhunter, If I want to change one skill, I pay my 10,100 gold, change my one skill, no fuss. I still have the opportunity to change all my other skills if I want!
The value amd the cost is the same. Either way, you buy the opportunity to change all your skills no matter how many you actually change. Now, its far more convenient and you don't have to reset your whole build to change one or two skills.
Like I said, the arguments are inane. Skill respecs cost EXACTLY THE SAME and objectively have EVEN MORE VALUE now because you don’t have to waste ages reallocating points you didn’t want to reallocate in the first place, just to change one skill or passive.
Why on earth did people think it would cost less gold, given the way CP respecs currently work?
When you build a house from scratch you pay a lot of cash.
Now you tell me that changing a sink should cost same as building a house and we should even be happy that we "saved time" not being forced to rebuild house just to change sink.
yet, somehow, sink cost like entire damn house, and you are ok with that.
That is an incredibly awful attempt at an analogy.
In-game respec of skills has zero relationship with home reno.
ZOS doesn't envision cheap and easy respec. They made a change to make respec faster in line with their vision.
That's all they promised, and it was delivered as promised.
Time spent to respec is 10 minutes.
Time spent to earn 15ish K gold is way way longer.
One cannot advertise saving 8-9 minutes as "great gigamegasega QoL and time saver" when the truth is you need ton of time to earn gold for this in the first place.
This system would be fair if it would take 3k for up to 10 points changed, 6 k for 11-20 and full price for anything above.
First, the system hasn't changed. The amount you pay today is the same as it was last week. If it isn't fair today, it wasn't fair last week. Since it is now faster to change only the skills you want to change, as opposed to being forced to change them all, it is, objectively, faster. Therefore, yes, it is, both a QOL change and a time-saver.
Second, if it takes you 'a ton of time' to make a few thousand gold, you may want to look up some guides on money-making in ESO.
As I said, for me its 19.1k gold atm.
Its not something you earn that quick.
And yes, system was unfair before and now its slap in face.0 -
witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭witchdoctor wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Srsly, let the gold scale, that's just painfull.
Its exactly as painful as it was before the Wolfhunter DLC.
Its just now more convenient since you don't have reset ALL your skillpoints but only have to change the ones you actually want to change.
Like others have put it, it is now officially less value.
Are you trying to say that you get less value from a skill respec now than before Wolfhunter? I can't tell.
Because if that's your argument, that's false. Plain wrong.
Before Wolfhunter, if I wanted to change one skill, I paid my 10,100 gold, had to reset all the skills I didnt want to change, and change my one skill. I had the opportunity to change the others if I want to.
After Wolfhunter, If I want to change one skill, I pay my 10,100 gold, change my one skill, no fuss. I still have the opportunity to change all my other skills if I want!
The value amd the cost is the same. Either way, you buy the opportunity to change all your skills no matter how many you actually change. Now, its far more convenient and you don't have to reset your whole build to change one or two skills.
Like I said, the arguments are inane. Skill respecs cost EXACTLY THE SAME and objectively have EVEN MORE VALUE now because you don’t have to waste ages reallocating points you didn’t want to reallocate in the first place, just to change one skill or passive.
Why on earth did people think it would cost less gold, given the way CP respecs currently work?
When you build a house from scratch you pay a lot of cash.
Now you tell me that changing a sink should cost same as building a house and we should even be happy that we "saved time" not being forced to rebuild house just to change sink.
yet, somehow, sink cost like entire damn house, and you are ok with that.
That is an incredibly awful attempt at an analogy.
In-game respec of skills has zero relationship with home reno.
ZOS doesn't envision cheap and easy respec. They made a change to make respec faster in line with their vision.
That's all they promised, and it was delivered as promised.
Time spent to respec is 10 minutes.
Time spent to earn 15ish K gold is way way longer.
One cannot advertise saving 8-9 minutes as "great gigamegasega QoL and time saver" when the truth is you need ton of time to earn gold for this in the first place.
This system would be fair if it would take 3k for up to 10 points changed, 6 k for 11-20 and full price for anything above.
First, the system hasn't changed. The amount you pay today is the same as it was last week. If it isn't fair today, it wasn't fair last week. Since it is now faster to change only the skills you want to change, as opposed to being forced to change them all, it is, objectively, faster. Therefore, yes, it is, both a QOL change and a time-saver.
Second, if it takes you 'a ton of time' to make a few thousand gold, you may want to look up some guides on money-making in ESO.
As I said, for me its 19.1k gold atm.
Its not something you earn that quick.
And yes, system was unfair before and now its slap in face.
Please tell me:
1. How often are you actually changing both morphs and base skills?
2. Why do you need to change both the base skills and morphs on a frequent basis?
Is it a physical slap in the face, or an Alanis Morisette-y slap in the face?1 -
xxthir13enxx✭✭✭✭✭
✭witchdoctor wrote: »
Yup...imagine that...a player base that thinks a company gaf what they think or want....st00pid players.
Why bother giving half the benefit of the request?...the cost was Always part of the inconvenience... it’s not like it would harm the game any for this to cost per skill point... but benefit players to adjust builds as needed more often with less headaches.
But your right...Making players happy is not on ZoS’s to do list0 -
Haashhtaag✭✭✭✭✭
✭IMO it’s not more convenient due to the cost and I’d rather just respec morphs than pay that kind of gold to change 1 or 2 skills0 -
DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Srsly, let the gold scale, that's just painfull.
2000 gold is too painful?
Depends on how much you have 1900 then yes 2000 is painful.
Then you should sell a couple or three vendor trash items to get to 2k. Even for a poor player, that should be pocket change.
Depends on the level of a character, not everyone is cp 750.. Also what about new customers that make multiple mistakes, even at 64 skills its expensive for them..
Why do you enjoy everything tedious..I don't see the problem with this, not as if I respec every week anyway.
Just because you do not does not mean everyone does not..
New characters get skill points by the bucketload, you won't need to change ANY skillpoints until you reach at least 50, it's not as if we can't just choose to change morphs you know.
I reset all my skill points before 50 multiple times as a lowbie because a crap ton are useless.. It wiped my money out multiple times too..
Honestly i think i reset my Magplar like 8 times now and shes only lv 36.... Horrible class trying to get a build that works for me..Edited by DanteYoda on August 15, 2018 1:17PM0 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭witchdoctor wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Srsly, let the gold scale, that's just painfull.
Its exactly as painful as it was before the Wolfhunter DLC.
Its just now more convenient since you don't have reset ALL your skillpoints but only have to change the ones you actually want to change.
Like others have put it, it is now officially less value.
Are you trying to say that you get less value from a skill respec now than before Wolfhunter? I can't tell.
Because if that's your argument, that's false. Plain wrong.
Before Wolfhunter, if I wanted to change one skill, I paid my 10,100 gold, had to reset all the skills I didnt want to change, and change my one skill. I had the opportunity to change the others if I want to.
After Wolfhunter, If I want to change one skill, I pay my 10,100 gold, change my one skill, no fuss. I still have the opportunity to change all my other skills if I want!
The value amd the cost is the same. Either way, you buy the opportunity to change all your skills no matter how many you actually change. Now, its far more convenient and you don't have to reset your whole build to change one or two skills.
Like I said, the arguments are inane. Skill respecs cost EXACTLY THE SAME and objectively have EVEN MORE VALUE now because you don’t have to waste ages reallocating points you didn’t want to reallocate in the first place, just to change one skill or passive.
Why on earth did people think it would cost less gold, given the way CP respecs currently work?
When you build a house from scratch you pay a lot of cash.
Now you tell me that changing a sink should cost same as building a house and we should even be happy that we "saved time" not being forced to rebuild house just to change sink.
yet, somehow, sink cost like entire damn house, and you are ok with that.
That is an incredibly awful attempt at an analogy.
In-game respec of skills has zero relationship with home reno.
ZOS doesn't envision cheap and easy respec. They made a change to make respec faster in line with their vision.
That's all they promised, and it was delivered as promised.
Time spent to respec is 10 minutes.
Time spent to earn 15ish K gold is way way longer.
One cannot advertise saving 8-9 minutes as "great gigamegasega QoL and time saver" when the truth is you need ton of time to earn gold for this in the first place.
This system would be fair if it would take 3k for up to 10 points changed, 6 k for 11-20 and full price for anything above.
First, the system hasn't changed. The amount you pay today is the same as it was last week. If it isn't fair today, it wasn't fair last week. Since it is now faster to change only the skills you want to change, as opposed to being forced to change them all, it is, objectively, faster. Therefore, yes, it is, both a QOL change and a time-saver.
Second, if it takes you 'a ton of time' to make a few thousand gold, you may want to look up some guides on money-making in ESO.
As I said, for me its 19.1k gold atm.
Its not something you earn that quick.
And yes, system was unfair before and now its slap in face.
Please tell me:
1. How often are you actually changing both morphs and base skills?
2. Why do you need to change both the base skills and morphs on a frequent basis?
Is it a physical slap in the face, or an Alanis Morisette-y slap in the face?
I change them several times per year. On my main character. Maybe bit less on my other 14 characters, but still it is not insignificant amount of coin.
I change complete specs sometimes and do not have enough points so I need to respec completely. I change morphs only much more frequent, probably 3-4x per week.
Add there constant CP changes and you will figure that these gold sinks are actually over the top.
About the last line, I would have to show u.0 -
DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Some of the arguments in this thread are inane. Not having to remorph EVERY SINGLE SKILL if you want to swap out the PVE morph of the destro ult for the PVP morph is a HUGE improvement. Who cares if it costs the same as remorphing every skill? At the most, you’re looking at around 1-2k gold, which is nothing. If you’re struggling for gold to the point where 1-2k hurts, sell a few stacks of Alkahest every now and then (you will have thousands upon thousands if you have the crafting bag, even if you craft poisons regularly). Or, y’know, run a normal dungeon or two and vendor the ornate gear you get.
The thing is a lot of us do care, and think the new design is inane.. Why pay the same to change one skill when i can pay to change them all, i will change them all either way because i'm paying a insane sum i want my monies worth3 -
witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭witchdoctor wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Srsly, let the gold scale, that's just painfull.
Its exactly as painful as it was before the Wolfhunter DLC.
Its just now more convenient since you don't have reset ALL your skillpoints but only have to change the ones you actually want to change.
Like others have put it, it is now officially less value.
Are you trying to say that you get less value from a skill respec now than before Wolfhunter? I can't tell.
Because if that's your argument, that's false. Plain wrong.
Before Wolfhunter, if I wanted to change one skill, I paid my 10,100 gold, had to reset all the skills I didnt want to change, and change my one skill. I had the opportunity to change the others if I want to.
After Wolfhunter, If I want to change one skill, I pay my 10,100 gold, change my one skill, no fuss. I still have the opportunity to change all my other skills if I want!
The value amd the cost is the same. Either way, you buy the opportunity to change all your skills no matter how many you actually change. Now, its far more convenient and you don't have to reset your whole build to change one or two skills.
Like I said, the arguments are inane. Skill respecs cost EXACTLY THE SAME and objectively have EVEN MORE VALUE now because you don’t have to waste ages reallocating points you didn’t want to reallocate in the first place, just to change one skill or passive.
Why on earth did people think it would cost less gold, given the way CP respecs currently work?
When you build a house from scratch you pay a lot of cash.
Now you tell me that changing a sink should cost same as building a house and we should even be happy that we "saved time" not being forced to rebuild house just to change sink.
yet, somehow, sink cost like entire damn house, and you are ok with that.
That is an incredibly awful attempt at an analogy.
In-game respec of skills has zero relationship with home reno.
ZOS doesn't envision cheap and easy respec. They made a change to make respec faster in line with their vision.
That's all they promised, and it was delivered as promised.
Time spent to respec is 10 minutes.
Time spent to earn 15ish K gold is way way longer.
One cannot advertise saving 8-9 minutes as "great gigamegasega QoL and time saver" when the truth is you need ton of time to earn gold for this in the first place.
This system would be fair if it would take 3k for up to 10 points changed, 6 k for 11-20 and full price for anything above.
First, the system hasn't changed. The amount you pay today is the same as it was last week. If it isn't fair today, it wasn't fair last week. Since it is now faster to change only the skills you want to change, as opposed to being forced to change them all, it is, objectively, faster. Therefore, yes, it is, both a QOL change and a time-saver.
Second, if it takes you 'a ton of time' to make a few thousand gold, you may want to look up some guides on money-making in ESO.
As I said, for me its 19.1k gold atm.
Its not something you earn that quick.
And yes, system was unfair before and now its slap in face.
Please tell me:
1. How often are you actually changing both morphs and base skills?
2. Why do you need to change both the base skills and morphs on a frequent basis?
Is it a physical slap in the face, or an Alanis Morisette-y slap in the face?
I change them several times per year. On my main character. Maybe bit less on my other 14 characters, but still it is not insignificant amount of coin.
I change complete specs sometimes and do not have enough points so I need to respec completely. I change morphs only much more frequent, probably 3-4x per week.
Add there constant CP changes and you will figure that these gold sinks are actually over the top.
About the last line, I would have to show u.
Oh, tough!0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ok2 words: crown store. The Cost increase forces the in game poor to the crown store that's if they can afford the crowns for the skill respecification scroll(unless they farm the gold in game). It's the same with the craft bag, it snags monthly memberships. People Playing the game and not spending any rl money is a bad business model.
I didn’t see a cost increase. Just a QoL that means we don’t have to click 300 times to do a respec.
I was referring to cost for the skill respec being peanuts not long ago. It recently increased.
When did Zos increase the cost per skill point? Since they reduced the price from 100g to 50g per sp it has seemed very steady. The only fluctuations have been the rare patch they change enough skills to warrant a 1g per sp for a limited time of a week or two.
It’s great to see people providing feedback. However, how many provided feedback during the pts periods before this went live? This thread is a day late and a dollar short for any changes in the near future.Edited by idk on August 15, 2018 1:31PM2 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some of the arguments in this thread are inane. Not having to remorph EVERY SINGLE SKILL if you want to swap out the PVE morph of the destro ult for the PVP morph is a HUGE improvement. Who cares if it costs the same as remorphing every skill? At the most, you’re looking at around 1-2k gold, which is nothing. If you’re struggling for gold to the point where 1-2k hurts, sell a few stacks of Alkahest every now and then (you will have thousands upon thousands if you have the crafting bag, even if you craft poisons regularly). Or, y’know, run a normal dungeon or two and vendor the ornate gear you get.
The thing is a lot of us do care, and think the new design is inane.. Why pay the same to change one skill when i can pay to change them all, i will change them all either way because i'm paying a insane sum i want my monies worth
So where are all your complaints about the way CP respeccing works, then? If you’re respeccing a few skills for PVP/PVE, then you’re definitely respeccing a few CP constellations as well, and paying the same amount each time — even if you only want to make minor changes.
Also, “I will change them all either way because I’m paying a insane sum I want my monies worth” — are you seriously saying that you will deliberately waste your time out of spite to get your “money’s worth”?
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Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Some of the arguments in this thread are inane. Not having to remorph EVERY SINGLE SKILL if you want to swap out the PVE morph of the destro ult for the PVP morph is a HUGE improvement. Who cares if it costs the same as remorphing every skill? At the most, you’re looking at around 1-2k gold, which is nothing. If you’re struggling for gold to the point where 1-2k hurts, sell a few stacks of Alkahest every now and then (you will have thousands upon thousands if you have the crafting bag, even if you craft poisons regularly). Or, y’know, run a normal dungeon or two and vendor the ornate gear you get.
The thing is a lot of us do care, and think the new design is inane.. Why pay the same to change one skill when i can pay to change them all, i will change them all either way because i'm paying a insane sum i want my monies worth
So where are all your complaints about the way CP respeccing works, then? If you’re respeccing a few skills for PVP/PVE, then you’re definitely respeccing a few CP constellations as well, and paying the same amount each time — even if you only want to make minor changes.
Also, “I will change them all either way because I’m paying a insane sum I want my monies worth” — are you seriously saying that you will deliberately waste your time out of spite to get your “money’s worth”?
CP respec is the same even if you have 3 cp only or max cp.
Skill respec punishes you the more skill points you have.
Cap it at 5k and I will have no issues at all.1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some of the arguments in this thread are inane. Not having to remorph EVERY SINGLE SKILL if you want to swap out the PVE morph of the destro ult for the PVP morph is a HUGE improvement. Who cares if it costs the same as remorphing every skill? At the most, you’re looking at around 1-2k gold, which is nothing. If you’re struggling for gold to the point where 1-2k hurts, sell a few stacks of Alkahest every now and then (you will have thousands upon thousands if you have the crafting bag, even if you craft poisons regularly). Or, y’know, run a normal dungeon or two and vendor the ornate gear you get.
The thing is a lot of us do care, and think the new design is inane.. Why pay the same to change one skill when i can pay to change them all, i will change them all either way because i'm paying a insane sum i want my monies worth
So where are all your complaints about the way CP respeccing works, then? If you’re respeccing a few skills for PVP/PVE, then you’re definitely respeccing a few CP constellations as well, and paying the same amount each time — even if you only want to make minor changes.
Also, “I will change them all either way because I’m paying a insane sum I want my monies worth” — are you seriously saying that you will deliberately waste your time out of spite to get your “money’s worth”?
CP respec is the same even if you have 3 cp only or max cp.
Skill respec punishes you the more skill points you have.
Cap it at 5k and I will have no issues at all.
You shouldn’t have to respec all your skills, however — just the morphs, which is cheaper than respeccing CP for most people. Don’t give me this BS about there not being enough skill points. There ARE enough skill points if you put in the effort to earn them.
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Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Some of the arguments in this thread are inane. Not having to remorph EVERY SINGLE SKILL if you want to swap out the PVE morph of the destro ult for the PVP morph is a HUGE improvement. Who cares if it costs the same as remorphing every skill? At the most, you’re looking at around 1-2k gold, which is nothing. If you’re struggling for gold to the point where 1-2k hurts, sell a few stacks of Alkahest every now and then (you will have thousands upon thousands if you have the crafting bag, even if you craft poisons regularly). Or, y’know, run a normal dungeon or two and vendor the ornate gear you get.
The thing is a lot of us do care, and think the new design is inane.. Why pay the same to change one skill when i can pay to change them all, i will change them all either way because i'm paying a insane sum i want my monies worth
So where are all your complaints about the way CP respeccing works, then? If you’re respeccing a few skills for PVP/PVE, then you’re definitely respeccing a few CP constellations as well, and paying the same amount each time — even if you only want to make minor changes.
Also, “I will change them all either way because I’m paying a insane sum I want my monies worth” — are you seriously saying that you will deliberately waste your time out of spite to get your “money’s worth”?
CP respec is the same even if you have 3 cp only or max cp.
Skill respec punishes you the more skill points you have.
Cap it at 5k and I will have no issues at all.
You shouldn’t have to respec all your skills, however — just the morphs, which is cheaper than respeccing CP for most people. Don’t give me this BS about there not being enough skill points. There ARE enough skill points if you put in the effort to earn them.
Yeah, I could earn like 10-11 more from PvP, 2 from new dungeons and that is it
Not to mention zos robbed us of a skill point from morrowind/summerset.0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some of the arguments in this thread are inane. Not having to remorph EVERY SINGLE SKILL if you want to swap out the PVE morph of the destro ult for the PVP morph is a HUGE improvement. Who cares if it costs the same as remorphing every skill? At the most, you’re looking at around 1-2k gold, which is nothing. If you’re struggling for gold to the point where 1-2k hurts, sell a few stacks of Alkahest every now and then (you will have thousands upon thousands if you have the crafting bag, even if you craft poisons regularly). Or, y’know, run a normal dungeon or two and vendor the ornate gear you get.
The thing is a lot of us do care, and think the new design is inane.. Why pay the same to change one skill when i can pay to change them all, i will change them all either way because i'm paying a insane sum i want my monies worth
So where are all your complaints about the way CP respeccing works, then? If you’re respeccing a few skills for PVP/PVE, then you’re definitely respeccing a few CP constellations as well, and paying the same amount each time — even if you only want to make minor changes.
Also, “I will change them all either way because I’m paying a insane sum I want my monies worth” — are you seriously saying that you will deliberately waste your time out of spite to get your “money’s worth”?
CP respec is the same even if you have 3 cp only or max cp.
Skill respec punishes you the more skill points you have.
Cap it at 5k and I will have no issues at all.
You shouldn’t have to respec all your skills, however — just the morphs, which is cheaper than respeccing CP for most people. Don’t give me this BS about there not being enough skill points. There ARE enough skill points if you put in the effort to earn them.
Yeah, I could earn like 10-11 more from PvP, 2 from new dungeons and that is it
Not to mention zos robbed us of a skill point from morrowind/summerset.
If you’re trying to spend points in every class skill, every single weapon skill, every single world/guild line, and every single craft on ONE character, then you’re not playing this game as the devs intended. You’re supposed to make build decisions that matter. You can have multiple roles, but you can’t spend points on everything — that is by design. If you can’t do everything you want to do on a character with literally only 13 more skill points to collect, then it’s your own fault.
My main PVPs, PVEs (damage dealer), and has all crafts maxed, without having anywhere near the amount of skill points you claim to have. When I want to tank, heal, or take on a very specific PVP role, I hop onto alts that are better suited for those purposes.
You know, as intended.
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Hokiewa✭✭✭✭Some of the arguments in this thread are inane. Not having to remorph EVERY SINGLE SKILL if you want to swap out the PVE morph of the destro ult for the PVP morph is a HUGE improvement. Who cares if it costs the same as remorphing every skill? At the most, you’re looking at around 1-2k gold, which is nothing. If you’re struggling for gold to the point where 1-2k hurts, sell a few stacks of Alkahest every now and then (you will have thousands upon thousands if you have the crafting bag, even if you craft poisons regularly). Or, y’know, run a normal dungeon or two and vendor the ornate gear you get.
The thing is a lot of us do care, and think the new design is inane.. Why pay the same to change one skill when i can pay to change them all, i will change them all either way because i'm paying a insane sum i want my monies worth
Lol, this is an absurd statement. You are going to waste your own time to change all of your skills just because?
Seriously, I get that some of you want to change on the fly but that's not what this change was intended for. I mean seriously...1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I am far less annoyed after actually using this system a few times, in fact, I really dont think it's too bad. It's easy to just respec your morphs, pay a far cheaper price, and just adjust the few you need. In a perfect world, the cost would be based on how many skills you use, but this really isnt bad. Makes it easy to go back and forth from PVP to PVE, or say go from a healblade to a full damage mageblade.2 -
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✭✭Some of the arguments in this thread are inane. Not having to remorph EVERY SINGLE SKILL if you want to swap out the PVE morph of the destro ult for the PVP morph is a HUGE improvement. Who cares if it costs the same as remorphing every skill? At the most, you’re looking at around 1-2k gold, which is nothing. If you’re struggling for gold to the point where 1-2k hurts, sell a few stacks of Alkahest every now and then (you will have thousands upon thousands if you have the crafting bag, even if you craft poisons regularly). Or, y’know, run a normal dungeon or two and vendor the ornate gear you get.
The thing is a lot of us do care, and think the new design is inane.. Why pay the same to change one skill when i can pay to change them all, i will change them all either way because i'm paying a insane sum i want my monies worth
Wtf does this even mean lol.... you are going to intentionally waste time changing all skills even if you dont have to because you want your "monies"worth"?
Yeah that will show em!
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SickDuck✭✭✭✭✭It was about time this QOL change has been made after more than 4 years. I’m not fussed about the cost. Also I think OP has a nice way to show off some very nice amount of skillpoints
Most players will have 200 points maybe, not 400.
In seriousness, there is very little reason to do full reset on a regular basis for mature characters. I do it maybe once a year on my active toons. Swapping morphs is more likely and that is probably cheaper than a cp respec for most players.Holdviola - Khira'de Regalo - Lélekvadász - Used To Be An Adventurer - Zetor - Does-Not-Give-A-Duck - Lord Sugar - Tenar Arha - Da'rinka - Violent Moon - Extreme Runner0 -
SugaComa✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »CP respec is the same way, pay one price then you can change all your points or just move one point. Not sure why anyone expected differently.
3k respec is more bearable than my 20k price tag to respec
How many skill points is it costing you 20k
I have 397 so I'm wondering what price I'll be paying0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Haashhtaag wrote: »IMO it’s not more convenient due to the cost and I’d rather just respec morphs than pay that kind of gold to change 1 or 2 skills
And respec morphs works the same way as the full respec. So for far less money you can just tweak one or two skills. Without having to put skill points in all the morphs (but you can do that if you want - there is a reset ALL morphs option too)The Moot Councillor0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Srsly, let the gold scale, that's just painfull.
Its exactly as painful as it was before the Wolfhunter DLC.
Its just now more convenient since you don't have reset ALL your skillpoints but only have to change the ones you actually want to change.
Like others have put it, it is now officially less value.
Are you trying to say that you get less value from a skill respec now than before Wolfhunter? I can't tell.
Because if that's your argument, that's false. Plain wrong.
Before Wolfhunter, if I wanted to change one skill, I paid my 10,100 gold, had to reset all the skills I didnt want to change, and change my one skill. I had the opportunity to change the others if I want to.
After Wolfhunter, If I want to change one skill, I pay my 10,100 gold, change my one skill, no fuss. I still have the opportunity to change all my other skills if I want!
The value amd the cost is the same. Either way, you buy the opportunity to change all your skills no matter how many you actually change. Now, its far more convenient and you don't have to reset your whole build to change one or two skills.
Less value, more cost. Sorry, but no, the cost makes sense if your going to change all skills but not one or two. Otherwise it's just insane.
Scaling cost or bust. Dunno why you're dying on this particular hill.2 -
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✭✭✭✭It caught me off guard at first until I realized that it's exactly the same cost as it was before to respec for a handful of skills, but now it's not making you put all your wanted skills back too. So no savings in gold but a ton of savings in time. Looking at it that way I find it an improvement. Also they don't take your money until you commit, that's nice, so if you change your mind you didn't just lose a big chunk of cash.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Srsly, let the gold scale, that's just painfull.
Its exactly as painful as it was before the Wolfhunter DLC.
Its just now more convenient since you don't have reset ALL your skillpoints but only have to change the ones you actually want to change.
Like others have put it, it is now officially less value.
Are you trying to say that you get less value from a skill respec now than before Wolfhunter? I can't tell.
Because if that's your argument, that's false. Plain wrong.
Before Wolfhunter, if I wanted to change one skill, I paid my 10,100 gold, had to reset all the skills I didnt want to change, and change my one skill. I had the opportunity to change the others if I want to.
After Wolfhunter, If I want to change one skill, I pay my 10,100 gold, change my one skill, no fuss. I still have the opportunity to change all my other skills if I want!
The value amd the cost is the same. Either way, you buy the opportunity to change all your skills no matter how many you actually change. Now, its far more convenient and you don't have to reset your whole build to change one or two skills.
Less value, more cost. Sorry, but no, the cost makes sense if your going to change all skills but not one or two. Otherwise it's just insane.
Scaling cost or bust. Dunno why you're dying on this particular hill.
I see. You are arguing about the current system vs your ideal system that didn't actually get implemented by the devs. Gotcha.
I'm arguing that the current system is the same cost, just more convenient than the old system. Which is all ZOS advertised this update as.0 -
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✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Srsly, let the gold scale, that's just painfull.
Its exactly as painful as it was before the Wolfhunter DLC.
Its just now more convenient since you don't have reset ALL your skillpoints but only have to change the ones you actually want to change.
Like others have put it, it is now officially less value.
Are you trying to say that you get less value from a skill respec now than before Wolfhunter? I can't tell.
Because if that's your argument, that's false. Plain wrong.
Before Wolfhunter, if I wanted to change one skill, I paid my 10,100 gold, had to reset all the skills I didnt want to change, and change my one skill. I had the opportunity to change the others if I want to.
After Wolfhunter, If I want to change one skill, I pay my 10,100 gold, change my one skill, no fuss. I still have the opportunity to change all my other skills if I want!
The value amd the cost is the same. Either way, you buy the opportunity to change all your skills no matter how many you actually change. Now, its far more convenient and you don't have to reset your whole build to change one or two skills.
Less value, more cost. Sorry, but no, the cost makes sense if your going to change all skills but not one or two. Otherwise it's just insane.
Scaling cost or bust. Dunno why you're dying on this particular hill.
You are arguing for a system you were hoping be implemented as opposed to what was actually slated and added.
There is absolutely more value in the existing system now than before that same system was updated. The value is in the convience. You decided that the new system SHOULD be a certain way, an entirely different way and are upset that it wasnt what you thought it was. Deal with ir and make a new thread complaining about the price to respec instead of making a fuss about your own frustration that came solely from your own misconception about what we were getting with respec 2.0.1
