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Can we do something about the spin to win spam plz
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HazelRose✭✭✭I think this skill is fine as is. Running a stam sorc in battlegrounds, and I only slot it if I'm facing more than 5 nightblades. If there's that many players of one class in a single match, then there should be one effective counter.4 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Keep in mind it has more range than zaan's and Soul Tether Still misses 60% of the time on a moving targetFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭just use a healing ward instead of a dodge roll.
spin2win is all stam dps has left against a semi-competent nightblade.
and it's *** against them. spin2win does virtually no dmg and is ridiculously expensive. It's only strong when used in conjunction with something else such as:
beetles + spin2win
spin2win + spin2win + spin2win (three people doing it
stam sorc spin2win + implosion
etc
its a weak, expensive skill. Its only slotted when fighting outnumbered. and if youre in a zerg and dying to spin2win, thats on you.
you're usually not in a zerg tho so im surprised to see you say this. im really not sure why youd complain about it given the low delve and your healing ward backbar.
It's really just annoying at this point. It seldom gets me on my magblade but I've been trying out stamplar some and it's a real pain there.
So even though it isn't killing me I'm tried of it bringing me out of cloak from 9 meters away while I can't ever hit *** with tether XDFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Micah_Bayer✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
If you think is bad in PvE you need to L2P. Most people just don't care to slot it for trash anymore but a year or two ago it seemed to get more use.
Playing a magicka class against Spin to win is annoying but sometimes you can manage
As a stam match up it's more about luck with your vigor and rally crits.
Over all a EXECUTE SHOULD NOT BE UN-DODGABLE (thus endless furry pisses me off but that isn't new)
Sorc execute is dodgable this patch now.Edited by Micah_Bayer on August 15, 2018 7:44AM2 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Micah_Bayer wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
If you think is bad in PvE you need to L2P. Most people just don't care to slot it for trash anymore but a year or two ago it seemed to get more use.
Playing a magicka class against Spin to win is annoying but sometimes you can manage
As a stam match up it's more about luck with your vigor and rally crits.
Over all a EXECUTE SHOULD NOT BE UN-DODGABLE (thus endless furry pisses me off but that isn't new)
Sorc execute is dodgable this patch now.
Well then I have another bug report to write with the "Befoul not working " oneFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think its strong in duels. Combined with defile and bleed.
When i am on my Stamdk and i am low hp (execute range) i cast igneous and vigor them dodge roll. Steel Tornado is a 100% counter for this and i am normally rip after this spin to win.
But its average in open world.1 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭First it was birds. Then they came for rune cage. Now it's steel tornado of all things. Pretty sure nightblades just want everyone in a 30m radius to just flop over dead while they "keep on rolling" and cloaking around the battlefield. Those guys just can't let an ability that is able to counter them effectively exist...17 -
Micah_Bayer✭✭✭✭✭Micah_Bayer wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
If you think is bad in PvE you need to L2P. Most people just don't care to slot it for trash anymore but a year or two ago it seemed to get more use.
Playing a magicka class against Spin to win is annoying but sometimes you can manage
As a stam match up it's more about luck with your vigor and rally crits.
Over all a EXECUTE SHOULD NOT BE UN-DODGABLE (thus endless furry pisses me off but that isn't new)
Sorc execute is dodgable this patch now.
Well then I have another bug report to write with the "Befoul not working " one
It is worth noting that when I was testing it, it seemed to hit faster like the delay of the lightning to someone else is instant instead of it taking a second to prime.0 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think its strong in duels. Combined with defile and bleed.
When i am on my Stamdk and i am low hp (execute range) i cast igneous and vigor them dodge roll. Steel Tornado is a 100% counter for this and i am normally rip after this spin to win.
But its average in open world.
This perfectly describes why Steel tornado is fine in its design but people are angry because it hits them right in their comfort zone.
@Gnozo is a great player this is no bashing on him he just made the perfect post to quote from(i could put myself here aswell because everytime i die to Spin2Win it's because i did the same thing)
Almost any good player is highly drilled on dodge cancelling their defensive skills when they are on low health for good reasons:
-reposition yourself
-the used skill gets ACed
-dodge roll has a very high chance to ignore everything that's been thrown at you:
Magnbs will
Magdks powerlash
Stamspecs with executioner
Frags from sorcs
Any spammable except for jabs (which can be outhealed as they don't deal their damage instantly)
Stamnb incap, scourge
Against all these classes a dodge roll gave you a good chance to completely negate the damage from their next gcd which gave your defensive abilities a chance to heal you back up.
Steel tornado hits everyone right in this comfort zone as it hits right through the dodge roll which results in one of two things, either you wasted resources on a dodge roll or you're dead.
If you leave that comfort zone and change to use block which is in fact often worse against the other builds than dodge roll because you still get damage and the cost is rather high.
But against Spin2Win it will often keep you alive and that's what counts.
The ability is fine, unlike other things which have been thankfully nerfed, you can adapt to it and there is actual counterplay, if you don't use it however and do the worst thing in the situation that you could do then that's a player issue and not a balance issue.15 -
Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
The weakest execute in the game is OP?7 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's threads like this that make me ashamed to be a PvPer.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.20 -
Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can we do something about the
Whine to Win threads
please
almost all skills and play styles have a counter, learn them first, then look to the class reps if there truly isnt oneEdited by Gythral on August 15, 2018 10:50AM“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy8 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Steel Tornado is fine as it is and not in need of changes.
Not EVERYTHING in this game should be dodgeable.. or are people really so selfish on their main characters that they don`t see whats gonna happen if they take all counters away to a certain playstyle suited to certain classes? Instead of wanting to take out all skills and playstyles that counter yours.. maybe make some compromises to your build and playstyle like everyone else does too?
So.. if i would wanna make a nerf post i would now make it in your style:
Can we do something about the people who die in bg that gets emotional about it and come to forum for nerf post everything that works against their build/class plz5 -
I like Steel Tornado as is. It’s essentially an AOE for stamblades. If I run into a pile of people in BG, and your health is low, I’m gonna spam it until your team is dead. Don’t bunch up and I won’t use it or just keep stacking up and make it easy for me.PS4 NA DC id: goldenflamesling1 -
DivineFirstYOLO✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
someone should should tell this guy, then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my7Dca3Gguk
lol did you actually watch the video? bots would play better than the enemies this guy is fighting.. scene at 00:40 secs... a night blade healer using grothdarr? what's that? RP?Zerg Squad
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✭✭✭✭DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
someone should should tell this guy, then.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my7Dca3Gguk
lol did you actually watch the video? bots would play better than the enemies this guy is fighting.. scene at 00:40 secs... a night blade healer using grothdarr? what's that? RP?
I stopped watching at 1:10, where that guy used DB and Bettles to get his opponent into execute range and couldn't finish him off after three steel tornados. Really seems like an OP execute, I must admit.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on August 15, 2018 12:17PM7 -
Wing✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭the only reason to slot this skill is because its a decent counter to NB's stealthing away at low health like the little peckers they are.
its expensive, does weak damage compared to what your other skills can do, and is the weakest execute in the game.
and showing a video of a warden using it after sub and DB is dumb, you could use any skill.
BUT, it can deal with NB's trying to run, so its currently very useful.
how about a trade, steel tornado gets deleted but mages fury does too? yeah that's what I thought.ESO player since beta.
game got too disappointing.1 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
When it is used as an execute to catch people roll dodging and cloaking, I am always surprised seeing someone using it for it’s intended purpose. In fact I watched a Bow/DW stamDK use it in BGs and they made short work of Nightblades.
Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on August 15, 2018 12:46PM0 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »It needs to be removed from the game. Stamsorc spamming steel tornado takes no skill and is the most deadly class in BGs at the moment. Why there is an aoe, un-dodgeable execute in this game is absolutely beyond me.
Again we have a PVP’er who wants to remove or nerf something from the game that is of good use in PVE aoe situations. Please, stop with the constant nerf whining.
Why would you need any AOEs other than endless hail and caltrops. Genuinely confused. Obviously its not going to just be removed from the game and i am mostly being facetious but the fact remains that spamming it is extremely powerful in many pvp situations while simultaneously taking no skill. That isn't right to me.4 -
Haashhtaag✭✭✭✭✭
✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
If you think is bad in PvE you need to L2P. Most people just don't care to slot it for trash anymore but a year or two ago it seemed to get more use.
Playing a magicka class against Spin to win is annoying but sometimes you can manage
As a stam match up it's more about luck with your vigor and rally crits.
Over all a EXECUTE SHOULD NOT BE UN-DODGABLE (thus endless furry pisses me off but that isn't new)
for one thing if you use it in pvp your not using a optimal setup your probly a zergling cause spin to win is useless against a person in 1v1 period. and in pve hmm vs trash when i can bring my sorc in and lay down fiery rage and nuke absolutely everything or my stam sorc and just cleave it down with my two hander. pvp if you spin to win your wasting tons upon tons of resources in a 1v1 an you have no clue what your doing and deserve a respawn. only people who roll spin to win and find it effective are zerglings who piggyback on others. its the most useless skill in the game right now for aoe. so again l2p.
This is false. On a stamden or stamsorc which are the two most optimal small scale stam classes you can go two damage sets with Swift jewelry and reck people with DW/2h spin to win and FM. It’s not a zergling skill it’s just a skill that is undodgeable acts as an execute to low health so when you LOS a group of 4-5 players with a friend you can ez sub assault into dawnbreaker spin to win and wipe them ez pz. And even more useful if you have master DW for single targetsDuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
If you think is bad in PvE you need to L2P. Most people just don't care to slot it for trash anymore but a year or two ago it seemed to get more use.
Playing a magicka class against Spin to win is annoying but sometimes you can manage
As a stam match up it's more about luck with your vigor and rally crits.
Over all a EXECUTE SHOULD NOT BE UN-DODGABLE (thus endless furry pisses me off but that isn't new)
for one thing if you use it in pvp your not using a optimal setup your probly a zergling cause spin to win is useless against a person in 1v1 period. and in pve hmm vs trash when i can bring my sorc in and lay down fiery rage and nuke absolutely everything or my stam sorc and just cleave it down with my two hander. pvp if you spin to win your wasting tons upon tons of resources in a 1v1 an you have no clue what your doing and deserve a respawn. only people who roll spin to win and find it effective are zerglings who piggyback on others. its the most useless skill in the game right now for aoe. so again l2p.
Edited by Haashhtaag on August 15, 2018 1:22PM2 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ok, the cry babies are done with the class skills, now they call for weapon skill nerfs.
Why am I not the least bit surprised?9 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »It needs to be removed from the game. Stamsorc spamming steel tornado takes no skill and is the most deadly class in BGs at the moment. Why there is an aoe, un-dodgeable execute in this game is absolutely beyond me.
Again we have a PVP’er who wants to remove or nerf something from the game that is of good use in PVE aoe situations. Please, stop with the constant nerf whining.
Why would you need any AOEs other than endless hail and caltrops. Genuinely confused. Obviously its not going to just be removed from the game and i am mostly being facetious but the fact remains that spamming it is extremely powerful in many pvp situations while simultaneously taking no skill. That isn't right to me.
You can spam most skills in many situations that require little skill. Skills really shouldn't be balanced around whether 10 people using them at the same time is op.2 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I suggest a complete overhaul of the gameplay:
Only one class:
This weapon:
Edited by Salvas_Aren on August 15, 2018 1:33PM14 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »It needs to be removed from the game. Stamsorc spamming steel tornado takes no skill and is the most deadly class in BGs at the moment. Why there is an aoe, un-dodgeable execute in this game is absolutely beyond me.
Again we have a PVP’er who wants to remove or nerf something from the game that is of good use in PVE aoe situations. Please, stop with the constant nerf whining.
Why would you need any AOEs other than endless hail and caltrops. Genuinely confused. Obviously its not going to just be removed from the game and i am mostly being facetious but the fact remains that spamming it is extremely powerful in many pvp situations while simultaneously taking no skill. That isn't right to me.
You can spam most skills in many situations that require little skill. Skills really shouldn't be balanced around whether 10 people using them at the same time is op.
Yes but steel tornado does not need to be aimed at all and it is an execute and undodgeable. People saying to block instead of roll for counterplay are out of their minds because then you are right where the stamsorc wants you, in the middle of their hurricane. 2 stamsorcs on the same BG team spamming it rains death down on everyone. Its laughable. 10 not needed.Edited by Apache_Kid on August 15, 2018 2:50PM4 -
ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
lulwat
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
He seems to disagree with you if that wasn’t clear.
Since it was needed about 2 years ago I’ve not seen someone spamming it outside of an AoE situation as it is intended to be used.
Edit: granted, I am sure it occurs but it doesn’t seem to be frequent or a big issue.Edited by idk on August 15, 2018 1:41PM0