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Can we do something about the spin to win spam plz
NyassaV
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It's a very overloaded ability
Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand Overlord
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Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭its annoying trying to land a wrecking blow when they wear swift jewelry and speed pots along with shuffle (which makes wrecking blow even more of a pain to land) and just jump around spamming that and being rewarded while wrecking blow is painful to land and doesn't feel as rewarding. Id like wrecking blow to feel as rewardingEdited by Aliyavana on August 15, 2018 5:11AM25 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
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NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
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✭✭✭✭✭My only problem with it is how ubiquitous it is. Everyone and their great aunt is spinning to win lol#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.17 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
If you think is bad in PvE you need to L2P. Most people just don't care to slot it for trash anymore but a year or two ago it seemed to get more use.
Playing a magicka class against Spin to win is annoying but sometimes you can manage
As a stam match up it's more about luck with your vigor and rally crits.
Over all a EXECUTE SHOULD NOT BE UN-DODGABLE (thus endless furry pisses me off but that isn't new)Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info5 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
No, I described counterplay perfectly. It's a catch for dodge rollers and cloak users when they're in execute range. People who use it solely for damage for your entire health bar are underpowered.
Try being less hostile.23 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
If you think is bad in PvE you need to L2P. Most people just don't care to slot it for trash anymore but a year or two ago it seemed to get more use.
Playing a magicka class against Spin to win is annoying but sometimes you can manage
As a stam match up it's more about luck with your vigor and rally crits.
Over all a EXECUTE SHOULD NOT BE UN-DODGABLE (thus endless furry pisses me off but that isn't new)
for one thing if you use it in pvp your not using a optimal setup your probly a zergling cause spin to win is useless against a person in 1v1 period. and in pve hmm vs trash when i can bring my sorc in and lay down fiery rage and nuke absolutely everything or my stam sorc and just cleave it down with my two hander. pvp if you spin to win your wasting tons upon tons of resources in a 1v1 an you have no clue what your doing and deserve a respawn. only people who roll spin to win and find it effective are zerglings who piggyback on others. its the most useless skill in the game right now for aoe. so again l2p.3 -
Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
you think it’s useless in pvp which is a lie and you know it or if you truly did mean pve you should probably just delete the game6 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
you think it’s useless in pvp which is a lie and you know it or if you truly did mean pve you should probably just delete the game
ive never lost to a person using steel tornado nor have i seen steel tornado utilized in pve since before morrowind. so really if its not useless why does barely anyone outside of zerglings use it?1 -
Nightfall12✭✭✭✭✭I think that steel tornado should get a unique effect...when you use it it lifts you up 2 feet in the air for each use...if you spam it you will get so high that when you land you take falling damage.Ummm stuff… about stuff…or something.29 -
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✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
Uh no zergs are not the only place it has to excel in.
Just ask some coordinated two man teams (even solo players) in BGs how many enemies they can finish off with their "spin to win" combos? The answer is everyone else.
Get everyone packed just right and it's overloaded, just like the OP said.12 -
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✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
someone should should tell this guy, then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my7Dca3Gguk 9 -
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✭brandonv516 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Steel Tornado seems fine to me. The only spammers I've run into were either banking on it doing all their damage (it wasn't), or using it as an execute to catch cloak users and dodge rollers.
No issues here.
-.- what part of "it's an overloaded ability" do you not exactly get. You described one perfectly
@NyassaV you really dont know how useless this ability actually is. this abilities only way to kill you is if your not healing at all which turns into a learn to play problem. zergs are the only viable place this ability has to roam cause your in a huge war but 9 times outta 10 its not getting you the kill but giving someone else the kill. in pve this ability is garbage. so really if you think its overloaded and broken then you just need to l2p better. the ability is trash.
Uh no zergs are not the only place it has to excel in.
Just ask some coordinated two man teams (even solo players) in BGs how many enemies they can finish off with their "spin to win" combos? The answer is everyone else.
Get everyone packed just right and it's overloaded, just like the OP said.
everytime i see someone using steel tornado since summerset i just laugh at them and stand there for a second doing emotes. its no threat these days in cp campaign you can sit there with just hots on and a steel tornado spammer will barely touch you. bgs you can nukem before they even get the first spin done. it has no place in the game right now as it is. if anything it needs a bleed effect cause its crud against people who actually know what their doing. steel tornado you can punish immediately.1 -
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✭✭✭Seriously.. Steel Tornado? People are really dying to this?
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✭Nightfall12 wrote: »I think that steel tornado should get a unique effect...when you use it it lifts you up 2 feet in the air for each use...if you spam it you will get so high that when you land you take falling damage.
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✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Seriously.. Steel Tornado? People are really dying to this?
I don't think so. lol
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✭✭✭Its fine. L2P. My guess is that it breaks cloak, so you have a problem with it, because your OP god mode should be untouchable.
Decent ranged decent damage AoE but its not exactly cheap and spamming it normally doesn't do too much unless you get low health. Doesn't sound that overloaded to me. If anything, lower its range a little. Its quite wide so its quite easy to hit.Edited by ak_pvp on August 15, 2018 4:39AMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
Best houseknight EU.9 -
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✭✭✭✭It needs to be removed from the game. Stamsorc spamming steel tornado takes no skill and is the most deadly class in BGs at the moment. Why there is an aoe, un-dodgeable execute in this game is absolutely beyond me.10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So, you just really want Dodge roll to beat everything?Apache_Kid wrote: »It needs to be removed from the game. Stamsorc spamming steel tornado takes no skill and is the most deadly class in BGs at the moment. Why there is an aoe, un-dodgeable execute in this game is absolutely beyond me.
Leave my builds alone!Edited by Waffennacht on August 15, 2018 4:38AM6 -
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NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Judas Helviaryn @DuskMarine Do you guys play on EU by any chance?Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭just use a healing ward instead of a dodge roll.
spin2win is all stam dps has left against a semi-competent nightblade.
and it's *** against them. spin2win does virtually no dmg and is ridiculously expensive. It's only strong when used in conjunction with something else such as:
beetles + spin2win
spin2win + spin2win + spin2win (three people doing it
stam sorc spin2win + implosion
etc
its a weak, expensive skill. Its only slotted when fighting outnumbered. and if youre in a zerg and dying to spin2win, thats on you.
you're usually not in a zerg tho so im surprised to see you say this. im really not sure why youd complain about it given the low delve and your healing ward backbar.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »It needs to be removed from the game. Stamsorc spamming steel tornado takes no skill and is the most deadly class in BGs at the moment. Why there is an aoe, un-dodgeable execute in this game is absolutely beyond me.
Again we have a PVP’er who wants to remove or nerf something from the game that is of good use in PVE aoe situations. Please, stop with the constant nerf whining.
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Aesthier✭✭✭✭✭Nightfall12 wrote: »I think that steel tornado should get a unique effect...when you use it it lifts you up 2 feet in the air for each use...if you spam it you will get so high that when you land you take falling damage.
Or you can direct yourself to the second floor.
Go go Apache Attack Helicopter!
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✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »It's an expensive execute
Executes from not be undodgable. I even had this conversation with Gilliam and he is pretty much of the same mind that it's a very overturned skill. So if something has to change what should changeFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info2 -
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✭Nightfall12 wrote: »I think that steel tornado should get a unique effect...when you use it it lifts you up 2 feet in the air for each use...if you spam it you will get so high that when you land you take falling damage.
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