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✭✭✭Smithernest54 wrote: »Smithernest54 wrote: »Personally I think blockcasting should have more of a penalty then it currently has (basicly none atm)
No stamregen, snare, many abilities ignoring it, massively costly and unsustainable,* drops if ccd or out of stam. (unlike shields)
*permablock is unsustainable completely, even with all cost reductions you need 3k non recovery stamregen to permablock against 4 people/one templar. Not possible.
If in a normal build its around double that, not including stam abilities, rolls or breakfrees. It is barely possible to permablock in a 1v1. You have to drop and heavy attack frequently.
No stam regen but you get magicka regen and you are not snared. While some abilities are ignored, BoL and healing spores isn’t and the is the primary problem in pvp. No one has an issue with blocking, it is the additional things you can do while blocking that is the current problem.
You can do things in cloak too, shall we remove all cloak casting, like with mist. In block you lose mobility, not specifically a snare, but it slows you.
I mean, you say they "do not need," which is half true, shield builds exist, but are less effective than every other class using shields, because they have other defenses. And I agree, they should not need, so say we remove block casting, or at least half the damage so that PvE tanks aren't rip...
Can DK have some actual defense? because wings is trash, and the class has nothing else. Templars have purge, but still rely on block, NB has cloak. (Which is easily twice as strong as permablock) sorcs have shield+streak, warden has shimmering+good healing+mobility.
DK has 5% extra mitigation when blocking... (10% extra of the 50% base block) We would need a passive change too, since its all based around being tanky. ZOS's own words: DK is a tank class.
You do realize no one likes a blocky playstyle, its awful for 1vX too, since you are in place and eating damage, instead of LOSing and bursting, you can't weave whilst block casting, and it is overly punishing. The only place I would say block is viable is in a 1v1, and only because its a single target so you can focus them and have time to heavy whilst they are CC'd.
Dk’s make the best tanks and I would not want ZOS to change that since it has been nerfed so many time in the past. So, what I am saying is get rid of Block casting breath of life and block casting healing spores because that is trashing pvp right now. Literally, I just logged off of Vivec NA Xbox because Cyrodiil is none functional. AD has a massive Zerg ball all in which are block casting Templars and Warden. Literally an unkillable Zerg ball AP farming. They only die when they want to refresh their AP counters against enemy players, but then they go right back to doing it. If you want to know why people are playing pvp less and less then take a look for yourself. In no way is this enjoyable gameplay.
Also Dk’s and Templars can make perfect use of vampire mist and no you can not heal or do an entire rotation from cloak. If so give me an example.
That is more of a problem with zergs. You can say the same about really anything, all those zergers shieldspamming and wrathig etc. You can heal in cloak, and it all crits too, and you can buff up and unleash your burst in from stealth as a stamNB, and keep your dots ticking too.Edited by ak_pvp on March 10, 2018 5:59PMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭Smithernest54 wrote: »Smithernest54 wrote: »Personally I think blockcasting should have more of a penalty then it currently has (basicly none atm)
No stamregen, snare, many abilities ignoring it, massively costly and unsustainable,* drops if ccd or out of stam. (unlike shields)
*permablock is unsustainable completely, even with all cost reductions you need 3k non recovery stamregen to permablock against 4 people/one templar. Not possible.
If in a normal build its around double that, not including stam abilities, rolls or breakfrees. It is barely possible to permablock in a 1v1. You have to drop and heavy attack frequently.
No stam regen but you get magicka regen and you are not snared. While some abilities are ignored, BoL and healing spores isn’t and the is the primary problem in pvp. No one has an issue with blocking, it is the additional things you can do while blocking that is the current problem.
You can do things in cloak too, shall we remove all cloak casting, like with mist. In block you lose mobility, not specifically a snare, but it slows you.
I mean, you say they "do not need," which is half true, shield builds exist, but are less effective than every other class using shields, because they have other defenses. And I agree, they should not need, so say we remove block casting, or at least half the damage so that PvE tanks aren't rip...
Can DK have some actual defense? because wings is trash, and the class has nothing else. Templars have purge, but still rely on block, NB has cloak. (Which is easily twice as strong as permablock) sorcs have shield+streak, warden has shimmering+good healing+mobility.
DK has 5% extra mitigation when blocking... (10% extra of the 50% base block) We would need a passive change too, since its all based around being tanky. ZOS's own words: DK is a tank class.
You do realize no one likes a blocky playstyle, its awful for 1vX too, since you are in place and eating damage, instead of LOSing and bursting, you can't weave whilst block casting, and it is overly punishing. The only place I would say block is viable is in a 1v1, and only because its a single target so you can focus them and have time to heavy whilst they are CC'd.
Dk’s make the best tanks and I would not want ZOS to change that since it has been nerfed so many time in the past. So, what I am saying is get rid of Block casting breath of life and block casting healing spores because that is trashing pvp right now. Literally, I just logged off of Vivec NA Xbox because Cyrodiil is none functional. AD has a massive Zerg ball all in which are block casting Templars and Warden. Literally an unkillable Zerg ball AP farming. They only die when they want to refresh their AP counters against enemy players, but then they go right back to doing it. If you want to know why people are playing pvp less and less then take a look for yourself. In no way is this enjoyable gameplay.
Also Dk’s and Templars can make perfect use of vampire mist and no you can not heal or do an entire rotation from cloak. If so give me an example.
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zZzleepyhead✭✭✭I don't believe OP has been sufficiently beaten to a pulp so let me contriboot. OP, OP, OP.. you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Block casting is nowhere near as toxic as it used to be. Pull up any PvP video before block and roll dodge were nerfed to their current state and you'll see what i'm talking about. For instance, I just searched on youtube for ESO PvP 2015. Chose a random time in the video. Watched 20 seconds of gameplay and the entire clip the player held block.
... players have gotten good...Since day one block casting has existed, however before there was maybe one or two players in cyrodiil at a time that utilized it. Four years later,
It doesn't sound like your ranting about block casting so much as you are talking about blocking in general.
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✭✭✭Either you're trolling (in which case 10/10 troll) or you really don't have a clue of what you're talking about
I don't think they are. From what I see in their comments they legitimately think block casting should be removed, or at the very least nerfed to a pulp.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Could you guys agree to disable Breath of life and healing spore from block casting? That way Dk’s can keep Block casting since they need it to be good papers.0 -
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zZzleepyhead wrote: »I don't believe OP has been sufficiently beaten to a pulp so let me contriboot. OP, OP, OP.. you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Block casting is nowhere near as toxic as it used to be. Pull up any PvP video before block and roll dodge were nerfed to their current state and you'll see what i'm talking about. For instance, I just searched on youtube for ESO PvP 2015. Chose a random time in the video. Watched 20 seconds of gameplay and the entire clip the player held block.
... players have gotten good...Since day one block casting has existed, however before there was maybe one or two players in cyrodiil at a time that utilized it. Four years later,
It doesn't sound like your ranting about block casting so much as you are talking about blocking in general.
Block casting is definitely not a testiment to player skill. I am not talking so much about Dk’s because it is debatable even though the community agrees Dk’s dominate duels directly because of Block casting. However, a Mag Templar in a Zerg ball spamming BoL is not skill. On no planet is that skill ( gettin good) or even close to it.
However, new players and low skill players are clinging to block casting to survive. Which is becoming more and more prevalent.
What I am proposing is the removal of burst heals while blocking so players would stop relying on a Zerg ball to survive and spread out for a more skill based pvp. Which is the gameplay ZOS intended.1 -
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✭✭Smithernest54 wrote: »Smithernest54 wrote: »Personally I think blockcasting should have more of a penalty then it currently has (basicly none atm)
No stamregen, snare, many abilities ignoring it, massively costly and unsustainable,* drops if ccd or out of stam. (unlike shields)
*permablock is unsustainable completely, even with all cost reductions you need 3k non recovery stamregen to permablock against 4 people/one templar. Not possible.
If in a normal build its around double that, not including stam abilities, rolls or breakfrees. It is barely possible to permablock in a 1v1. You have to drop and heavy attack frequently.
No stam regen but you get magicka regen and you are not snared. While some abilities are ignored, BoL and healing spores isn’t and the is the primary problem in pvp. No one has an issue with blocking, it is the additional things you can do while blocking that is the current problem.
You can do things in cloak too, shall we remove all cloak casting, like with mist. In block you lose mobility, not specifically a snare, but it slows you.
I mean, you say they "do not need," which is half true, shield builds exist, but are less effective than every other class using shields, because they have other defenses. And I agree, they should not need, so say we remove block casting, or at least half the damage so that PvE tanks aren't rip...
Can DK have some actual defense? because wings is trash, and the class has nothing else. Templars have purge, but still rely on block, NB has cloak. (Which is easily twice as strong as permablock) sorcs have shield+streak, warden has shimmering+good healing+mobility.
DK has 5% extra mitigation when blocking... (10% extra of the 50% base block) We would need a passive change too, since its all based around being tanky. ZOS's own words: DK is a tank class.
You do realize no one likes a blocky playstyle, its awful for 1vX too, since you are in place and eating damage, instead of LOSing and bursting, you can't weave whilst block casting, and it is overly punishing. The only place I would say block is viable is in a 1v1, and only because its a single target so you can focus them and have time to heavy whilst they are CC'd.
Dk’s make the best tanks and I would not want ZOS to change that since it has been nerfed so many time in the past. So, what I am saying is get rid of Block casting breath of life and block casting healing spores because that is trashing pvp right now. Literally, I just logged off of Vivec NA Xbox because Cyrodiil is none functional. AD has a massive Zerg ball all in which are block casting Templars and Warden. Literally an unkillable Zerg ball AP farming. They only die when they want to refresh their AP counters against enemy players, but then they go right back to doing it. If you want to know why people are playing pvp less and less then take a look for yourself. In no way is this enjoyable gameplay.
Also Dk’s and Templars can make perfect use of vampire mist and no you can not heal or do an entire rotation from cloak. If so give me an example.
Blockcasting BoL is the way a Magplar can counter major/minor defile and befoul CP. Get rid of it and you will get rid of DD Magplars.
Try stam poison if you want to kill any blocaster fastSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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Before someone says “You don’t know what you are talking about.” Without any supporting fact I am going to say 1) That is a tactic to dismiss the discussion and I have seen it before on everything that has been nerf. In the end it does not work. 2) I have 1374 hours played on one character alone and 30471 pvp kills all minus maybe a dozen without block casting or bombing. I haven’t gotten flawless conquerer but I do have 4 stormproof characters. I’ve played this game since day one and have a good sense as to what might need to get nerf or fixed next. And what I am saying now is that block casting has become a crutch to new and low skill players. Block casting encourages Zerg balling which is not what ZOS wants and what I am purpose is not the full removal of block casting at least for now, but disabling burst heals while blocking. I and many other players think that is more than fair and can help the longevity of eso.1
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Smithernest54 wrote: »Smithernest54 wrote: »Personally I think blockcasting should have more of a penalty then it currently has (basicly none atm)
No stamregen, snare, many abilities ignoring it, massively costly and unsustainable,* drops if ccd or out of stam. (unlike shields)
*permablock is unsustainable completely, even with all cost reductions you need 3k non recovery stamregen to permablock against 4 people/one templar. Not possible.
If in a normal build its around double that, not including stam abilities, rolls or breakfrees. It is barely possible to permablock in a 1v1. You have to drop and heavy attack frequently.
No stam regen but you get magicka regen and you are not snared. While some abilities are ignored, BoL and healing spores isn’t and the is the primary problem in pvp. No one has an issue with blocking, it is the additional things you can do while blocking that is the current problem.
You can do things in cloak too, shall we remove all cloak casting, like with mist. In block you lose mobility, not specifically a snare, but it slows you.
I mean, you say they "do not need," which is half true, shield builds exist, but are less effective than every other class using shields, because they have other defenses. And I agree, they should not need, so say we remove block casting, or at least half the damage so that PvE tanks aren't rip...
Can DK have some actual defense? because wings is trash, and the class has nothing else. Templars have purge, but still rely on block, NB has cloak. (Which is easily twice as strong as permablock) sorcs have shield+streak, warden has shimmering+good healing+mobility.
DK has 5% extra mitigation when blocking... (10% extra of the 50% base block) We would need a passive change too, since its all based around being tanky. ZOS's own words: DK is a tank class.
You do realize no one likes a blocky playstyle, its awful for 1vX too, since you are in place and eating damage, instead of LOSing and bursting, you can't weave whilst block casting, and it is overly punishing. The only place I would say block is viable is in a 1v1, and only because its a single target so you can focus them and have time to heavy whilst they are CC'd.
Dk’s make the best tanks and I would not want ZOS to change that since it has been nerfed so many time in the past. So, what I am saying is get rid of Block casting breath of life and block casting healing spores because that is trashing pvp right now. Literally, I just logged off of Vivec NA Xbox because Cyrodiil is none functional. AD has a massive Zerg ball all in which are block casting Templars and Warden. Literally an unkillable Zerg ball AP farming. They only die when they want to refresh their AP counters against enemy players, but then they go right back to doing it. If you want to know why people are playing pvp less and less then take a look for yourself. In no way is this enjoyable gameplay.
Also Dk’s and Templars can make perfect use of vampire mist and no you can not heal or do an entire rotation from cloak. If so give me an example.
Blockcasting BoL is the way a Magplar can counter major/minor defile and befoul CP. Get rid of it and you will get rid of DD Magplars.
Try stam poison if you want to kill any blocaster fast
Major defile can be purged so that is false. Poisons are nice but expensive for a reason.0 -
Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭Smithernest54 wrote: »Before someone says “You don’t know what you are talking about.” Without any supporting fact I am going to say 1) That is a tactic to dismiss the discussion and I have seen it before on everything that has been nerf. In the end it does not work. 2) I have 1374 hours played on one character alone and 30471 pvp kills all minus maybe a dozen without block casting or bombing. I haven’t gotten flawless conquerer but I do have 4 stormproof characters. I’ve played this game since day one and have a good sense as to what might need to get nerf or fixed next. And what I am saying now is that block casting has become a crutch to new and low skill players. Block casting encourages Zerg balling which is not what ZOS wants and what I am purpose is not the full removal of block casting at least for now, but disabling burst heals while blocking. I and many other players think that is more than fair and can help the longevity of eso.Smithernest54 wrote: »Before someone says “You don’t know what you are talking about.” Without any supporting fact I am going to say 1) That is a tactic to dismiss the discussion and I have seen it before on everything that has been nerf. In the end it does not work. 2) I have 1374 hours played on one character alone and 30471 pvp kills all minus maybe a dozen without block casting or bombing. I haven’t gotten flawless conquerer but I do have 4 stormproof characters. I’ve played this game since day one and have a good sense as to what might need to get nerf or fixed next. And what I am saying now is that block casting has become a crutch to new and low skill players. Block casting encourages Zerg balling which is not what ZOS wants and what I am purpose is not the full removal of block casting at least for now, but disabling burst heals while blocking. I and many other players think that is more than fair and can help the longevity of eso.
Lol. Keep posting you're pretty entertaining.
You seriously believe mistform is better than cloak?
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Ariades_swe wrote: »Smithernest54 wrote: »Before someone says “You don’t know what you are talking about.” Without any supporting fact I am going to say 1) That is a tactic to dismiss the discussion and I have seen it before on everything that has been nerf. In the end it does not work. 2) I have 1374 hours played on one character alone and 30471 pvp kills all minus maybe a dozen without block casting or bombing. I haven’t gotten flawless conquerer but I do have 4 stormproof characters. I’ve played this game since day one and have a good sense as to what might need to get nerf or fixed next. And what I am saying now is that block casting has become a crutch to new and low skill players. Block casting encourages Zerg balling which is not what ZOS wants and what I am purpose is not the full removal of block casting at least for now, but disabling burst heals while blocking. I and many other players think that is more than fair and can help the longevity of eso.Smithernest54 wrote: »Before someone says “You don’t know what you are talking about.” Without any supporting fact I am going to say 1) That is a tactic to dismiss the discussion and I have seen it before on everything that has been nerf. In the end it does not work. 2) I have 1374 hours played on one character alone and 30471 pvp kills all minus maybe a dozen without block casting or bombing. I haven’t gotten flawless conquerer but I do have 4 stormproof characters. I’ve played this game since day one and have a good sense as to what might need to get nerf or fixed next. And what I am saying now is that block casting has become a crutch to new and low skill players. Block casting encourages Zerg balling which is not what ZOS wants and what I am purpose is not the full removal of block casting at least for now, but disabling burst heals while blocking. I and many other players think that is more than fair and can help the longevity of eso.
Lol. Keep posting you're pretty entertaining.
You seriously believe mistform is better than cloak?
I never said that mist form was better, I said it can work just as well for evading. But I am glad you are enjoying.Edited by Smithernest54 on March 11, 2018 2:17AM0 -
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✭You must enjoy getting instagibbed and cc'd without even trying to defend yourself from most attacks. But, I am getting a vibe that you only exclusively play in large groups.Edited by IZZEFlameLash on March 11, 2018 4:00AMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
IZZESparkling wrote: »You must enjoy getting instagibbed and cc'd without even trying to defend yourself from most attacks. But, I am getting a vibe that you only exclusively play in large groups.
Welp, I’m not a tower guard or a rock *** if that is what you are getting at. I do have my moments of 1vXing, but typically I play small groups. Lately I have been playing bigger groups to help disperse Zerg balls and win campaigns. Your vides can be right depending on the day, solo and small groups are mostly ego driven and most of them do not help the war effort. However, each to their own.0 -
lmao! So how is ESO? None of my friends are playing it.
Noticed how I am asking because me just like scores of other players canceled our subscriptions and moved on. ESO wanted to cater to the loud minority and from what I have heard is that ESO is dying hard. It’s only going to get worse, and then when BDO launches on console... RIP.
On the tombstone it is going to say, “ Here lies ESO the game that coddled scrubs.”0 -
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✭✭✭Smithernest54 wrote: »lmao! So how is ESO? None of my friends are playing it.
Noticed how I am asking because me just like scores of other players canceled our subscriptions and moved on. ESO wanted to cater to the loud minority and from what I have heard is that ESO is dying hard. It’s only going to get worse, and then when BDO launches on console... RIP.
On the tombstone it is going to say, “ Here lies ESO the game that coddled scrubs.”
Well they didn't implement your ideas. So not much coddling to scrubs there. But they did indeed listen to other no skill scrubs of your caliber, who think they deserve to kill things without skill, and implemented a lovely set called sloads along with bleeds that killed the blocking playstyle by itself
Is ESO dying. Not really. Definitely lower numbers than post morrow, but for obvious reasons that was a bubble. But still profitable enough that they make new content, weekly patches, the whole class rep scheme, twitch rewards. PvP, maybe slowly, ever since bending over and nerfing defenses/sustain, they lowered the ceiling a lot so cancer built zergling/scrubs can get closer matched to good players.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭Those who say mag Templars and mag DKs are nothing without block casting clearly never played the game it's first 2 years. They were fine back then. Now it's just turned into no skill easy mode for bad players.
But go ahead, keep defending this abused mechanic.
Templars and DK's weren't nerfed for years back then and cp didn't exist. It was a whole different game.Edited by MalakithAlamahdi on June 4, 2018 1:53PM1 -
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Alternatively, the people who genuinely enjoy playing the game are going to continue to play the game, while the people who don't like the game and only play it to complain about it and erroneously talk about how the game is "dying" slowly leave the game, making a better experience for the people who do like it.Smithernest54 wrote: »lmao! So how is ESO? None of my friends are playing it.
Noticed how I am asking because me just like scores of other players canceled our subscriptions and moved on. ESO wanted to cater to the loud minority and from what I have heard is that ESO is dying hard. It’s only going to get worse, and then when BDO launches on console... RIP.
On the tombstone it is going to say, “ Here lies ESO the game that coddled scrubs.”Lilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
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✭Smithernest54 wrote: »WuffyCerulei wrote: »I'm just gonna say, don't screw with tanks in pve anymore just because some dinguses in pvp don't know how to counter/avoid tanks.
Blocking is not the issue it is block casting or at least blocking and casting BoL and healing spore.
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Alternatively, the people who genuinely enjoy playing the game are going to continue to play the game, while the people who don't like the game and only play it to complain about it and erroneously talk about how the game is "dying" slowly leave the game, making a better experience for the people who do like it.Smithernest54 wrote: »lmao! So how is ESO? None of my friends are playing it.
Noticed how I am asking because me just like scores of other players canceled our subscriptions and moved on. ESO wanted to cater to the loud minority and from what I have heard is that ESO is dying hard. It’s only going to get worse, and then when BDO launches on console... RIP.
On the tombstone it is going to say, “ Here lies ESO the game that coddled scrubs.”
Sure dude, if you are using block casting and you don’t mind playing an MMO that is losing more players then it gains, then sure you’d stay.That’s a no brainer.0 -
Smithernest54 wrote: »lmao! So how is ESO? None of my friends are playing it.
Noticed how I am asking because me just like scores of other players canceled our subscriptions and moved on. ESO wanted to cater to the loud minority and from what I have heard is that ESO is dying hard. It’s only going to get worse, and then when BDO launches on console... RIP.
On the tombstone it is going to say, “ Here lies ESO the game that coddled scrubs.”
Well they didn't implement your ideas. So not much coddling to scrubs there. But they did indeed listen to other no skill scrubs of your caliber, who think they deserve to kill things without skill, and implemented a lovely set called sloads along with bleeds that killed the blocking playstyle by itself
Is ESO dying. Not really. Definitely lower numbers than post morrow, but for obvious reasons that was a bubble. But still profitable enough that they make new content, weekly patches, the whole class rep scheme, twitch rewards. PvP, maybe slowly, ever since bending over and nerfing defenses/sustain, they lowered the ceiling a lot so cancer built zergling/scrubs can get closer matched to good players.
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✭wow the second necroing of the same thread of the OP...nice.
btw: blockcasting will stay as before and that is good like that. you just havent learned to deal with one specific class, that is all. even if you would forbid casting stuff while blocking, please also implement the rule, that casting with a damage shield up is forbidden, also casting in cloak needs to go. you know why? because blocking is a highly risky defensive mechanism, which drains a certain resource pool very fast. this can lead to be totally opened up after getting stunned for a rather long time, which means certain death. also it would pretty much destroy 2 classes in the game and tanking would be impossible. additionally the whole blocking mechanic would be meaningless, since you just delay your death with blocking (or you got a pockethealer, which can heal you while blocking). anyway you are just ranting about two classes, which can press a burst heal while blocking. guess what, both classes do not build for prolonged time, so either they stay defensive and blockcasting heals and dies slowly or they die immediately. at least that happens against a competent enemy. i just assume now, but you having problems with such builds sounds like you dont belong to the competent players, since those would start going ham on those builds, draining their stamina till they are dead. especially templars have small offensive windows, since they dont have a really proactive defense mechanism, meaning that they only can be offensive as long as their health doesnt drop too fast. if that happens, they go back turtling up, giving you the opportunity without any danger to pressure them.
in summary: blockcasting is fine, you just have to learn to deal with magplars that wear sword and shield.
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✭Smithernest54 wrote: »Also Dk’s and Templars can make perfect use of vampire mist and no you can not heal or do an entire rotation from cloak. If so give me an example.
Hm, last time i checked i was able to cast rally in cloak for a 13k crit heal.
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✭Lol, OP is still on about this? Yes, please block cast on your staff or 2h or bow or even in S/B. I love to eat your stamina and then hard CC you so that you can do nothing while I kill you.
So OP... for the attacker!
Besides, block casting isn't even killing this game but the incompetence in class balancing, and unsolved performance issues are.Edited by IZZEFlameLash on August 15, 2018 5:01PMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel1 -
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✭✭✭✭This is right up there with the anti-AC thread. How is it that threads like this are still going?
You do realize you can't block cast, technically, right?
There are only two possible scenarios:- Skill with cast time followed by block > translates to block, cast, block (which is not block casting, because block gets dropped in the middle.)
- Skill that is instant cast (instant mean takes zero time) which translates to block, thing that takes zero time, block. (which is not block casting because there is no middle.)
Add up the time required for each, and the time spent blocking. If they don't equal, you're not block casting.
If they do equal, you don't need to block cast, because the cast is instant.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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PapaWeeb✭✭✭✭Block got the recent cost increase which makes block a lot harder to sustain. Cost poisons, dots, bleeds, unblockable cc etc, people have mentioned these already.
You have to give up a lot of sustain/damage to be able to keep block up. Even more so with the crazy damage light attacks do now.
Stop complaining, change your build to compensate or ignore tanks lolPC EU1 -
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✭✭Smithernest54 wrote: »Smithernest54 wrote: »Smithernest54 wrote: »Personally I think blockcasting should have more of a penalty then it currently has (basicly none atm)
No stamregen, snare, many abilities ignoring it, massively costly and unsustainable,* drops if ccd or out of stam. (unlike shields)
*permablock is unsustainable completely, even with all cost reductions you need 3k non recovery stamregen to permablock against 4 people/one templar. Not possible.
If in a normal build its around double that, not including stam abilities, rolls or breakfrees. It is barely possible to permablock in a 1v1. You have to drop and heavy attack frequently.
No stam regen but you get magicka regen and you are not snared. While some abilities are ignored, BoL and healing spores isn’t and the is the primary problem in pvp. No one has an issue with blocking, it is the additional things you can do while blocking that is the current problem.
You can do things in cloak too, shall we remove all cloak casting, like with mist. In block you lose mobility, not specifically a snare, but it slows you.
I mean, you say they "do not need," which is half true, shield builds exist, but are less effective than every other class using shields, because they have other defenses. And I agree, they should not need, so say we remove block casting, or at least half the damage so that PvE tanks aren't rip...
Can DK have some actual defense? because wings is trash, and the class has nothing else. Templars have purge, but still rely on block, NB has cloak. (Which is easily twice as strong as permablock) sorcs have shield+streak, warden has shimmering+good healing+mobility.
DK has 5% extra mitigation when blocking... (10% extra of the 50% base block) We would need a passive change too, since its all based around being tanky. ZOS's own words: DK is a tank class.
You do realize no one likes a blocky playstyle, its awful for 1vX too, since you are in place and eating damage, instead of LOSing and bursting, you can't weave whilst block casting, and it is overly punishing. The only place I would say block is viable is in a 1v1, and only because its a single target so you can focus them and have time to heavy whilst they are CC'd.
Dk’s make the best tanks and I would not want ZOS to change that since it has been nerfed so many time in the past. So, what I am saying is get rid of Block casting breath of life and block casting healing spores because that is trashing pvp right now. Literally, I just logged off of Vivec NA Xbox because Cyrodiil is none functional. AD has a massive Zerg ball all in which are block casting Templars and Warden. Literally an unkillable Zerg ball AP farming. They only die when they want to refresh their AP counters against enemy players, but then they go right back to doing it. If you want to know why people are playing pvp less and less then take a look for yourself. In no way is this enjoyable gameplay.
Also Dk’s and Templars can make perfect use of vampire mist and no you can not heal or do an entire rotation from cloak. If so give me an example.
Blockcasting BoL is the way a Magplar can counter major/minor defile and befoul CP. Get rid of it and you will get rid of DD Magplars.
Try stam poison if you want to kill any blocaster fast
Major defile can be purged so that is false. Poisons are nice but expensive for a reason.
but you are defiled anyway, there's no reason to get rid of blockcastingSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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