I hate block casting ... even though I don't even know what block casting is.

Smithernest54 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Didn't they just give nightblades, sorcs and DKs unblockable CC?

Nightblades have fear, giving players a window to do damage, but if there are other healers in the group then it is for nothing. My point is pvp groups are full of healers and tanks with bombers on the side. There has got to be more to pvp than this.

Yea, it's called tactics. Sounds like you're just grouping with people and not actually analysing you're opponents and surroundings.

DKsUnite wrote: »

Smithernest54 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Smithernest54 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Smithernest54 wrote: »

There are plenty of builds out there that do not use block casting, however the difference is, is that it is challenging to play and require skill and tactics, and rotation.

No, the difference is they were given the tools of mobility and escape. DKs and Templars don't have that luxury and hence why they go into the blocking route.

Templars are amazing healers and have ability to mitigate damage, dks don’t have great healing even though I have seen DK healers, but there is a reason Dk’s excel as tanks. However, that is why we are suppose to pay close attention to our builds, skill, and cp allocation. I am in a guild with some pretty amazing duelers most in which do not use or like block casting, there are people with DK’s and Templar builds that do not use block casting at all. They use sets that heal or reduce damage. They use abilities that heal and grant damage shields.

I am going to say that is incorrect there are dk’s and Templars that do not need to block cast and still tear up. Mobility/escape.... what about healing and damage mitigation? Do we lack the ability to critical think?

And how do those DK tank's tank? Blocking.

Dueling is no measure of anything because dueling is the only time you fight someone 1v1. The luxury of duels is that you only need to fight 1 person. You dont need to block all the time in duels because you only have to think about 1 source of incoming damage. There are setups made for dueling and setups made for open world, there is a big difference.

Just like animation cancelling

and.... im done here

Why can't ZOS let us give an Agree and an Awesome ?

lazerlaz wrote: »

Those who say mag Templars and mag DKs are nothing without block casting clearly never played the game it's first 2 years. They were fine back then. Now it's just turned into no skill easy mode for bad players.

But go ahead, keep defending this abused mechanic.

I think at the core it is new players using block casting as a crutch.

EvoAZN wrote: »

Destroy ult and heavy armor being viable for dps/healers are the main culprits that makes cyrodiil what it is today. Don't blame the block mechanic. Also SnB is more common in builds resulting in tanky healing bars.

Tanky is fine, I can appreciate a tanky healer. The problem is Block Casting Breath of Life or healing spores.

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Give my magplar and magdk cloak or streak and I'll stop block cast.

Mist form on heavy armored toon beats both of this skills. On my magplar when I used to play it I could mist into a keep without consequences. Mist form and you can't be stoped, can't be snared, negated or anything, instead of waiting to end of mist form (due to latency you can be cought with some sort of cc) roll and go mist again, then when you LoSed enemies 1-2 BoLs/HtD and youre back at full. It is possible to not go the "easy way", but it requires skills. I know few stamdks that can melt their opponents so fast that they don't need to block cast anything... Thats ok. But when they go on their block builds they can stand ground against 3-4 good players and even earn some kills. Thats not sounds very balanced to me.

Mist form into a keep is your playstyle?
If mist form is so good how come you don't see sorcs use it over streak? Or nb use it over cloak that cost magicka too?
Even heavy armor stamblades would use cloak over mistform.
Topic wasn't about mistform anyways.
My stam nb is way more safe in solo openworld than any of my magicka classes. Stop being delusional.

Actually mist form proves my point that mag Dk’s and mag Templars do not need block casting to survive.

Pijng wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Pijng wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Give my magplar and magdk cloak or streak and I'll stop block cast.

Uhm, how these two things are related? I dont get it cause blockcasting – is efficient way to fight while taking less damage, and cloak/streak – are escape/los mechanics.

If you only use cloak to escape you're bad.

That's bad, right. Still cant see how things are related, literally different stuffs for different purposes.

True shade--> cloak is way more reliable. Or dodge roll-> shuffle -> cloak

Personally I think blockcasting should have more of a penalty then it currently has (basicly none atm)

olsborg wrote: »

Personally I think blockcasting should have more of a penalty then it currently has (basicly none atm)

No stamregen, snare, many abilities ignoring it, massively costly and unsustainable,* drops if ccd or out of stam. (unlike shields)

*permablock is unsustainable completely, even with all cost reductions you need 3k non recovery stamregen to permablock against 4 people/one templar. Not possible.

If in a normal build its around double that, not including stam abilities, rolls or breakfrees. It is barely possible to permablock in a 1v1. You have to drop and heavy attack frequently.

Smithernest54 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Its 2018 and people still complain about blocking.

You have defiles, unblockable CCs, dots, bleeds, snares,roots, poisons..... Sooo many ways to counter it.
Not to mention all the skills that just ignore block and do full damage anyways.

StamDk nerfs were justified because they were blockcasting efficiently, If its so OP, where are all the sDks now? Where is the best permablock class huh?

If someone is CC immune can they still get CCed from an unblockable CC? If a Mag Templar has all those negative affects on them can they purge them?

No you can not get CCed while CC immune and yes negative affects can get purged allowing a Mag Templar to block cast Breath of Life.

And Stam Dk’s are still viable don’t give me that. Check out the Paragon build on YouTube. Pretty nice stam DK build.

Lastly not every class have unblockable damaging abilities and the problem with that is that the idea takes away from rotations. Like for instance if I am fighting a block cast on my stam warden am I suppose to spam shalks till he dies and what about executions? Are we really writing out executions?

I’m not saying remove blocking, I am saying you should not be able to block and attack or block and heal at the same time.

So nerf blockcasting because templar can purge and CC immunity exists?

What about sorcs casting endless dark deals?
Nbs spamming cloak non-stop?



And no offense to the build creator, but this ''paragon stamDK'' is honestly a ''okay tier'' build, but thats not why your reasoning fails.

your example is a medium armor dizzy swing build, which has nothing to do with blockcasting. Its a solid proof that blockcasting gotten so bad stamDks are moving to medium and trying to act like stamblades.

So yeah, you basically googled ''stamDK build'' and posted the first thing you found just so that you can tell me stamDK isn't nerfed to oblivion for blockcasting.

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Smithernest54 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Its 2018 and people still complain about blocking.

You have defiles, unblockable CCs, dots, bleeds, snares,roots, poisons..... Sooo many ways to counter it.
Not to mention all the skills that just ignore block and do full damage anyways.

StamDk nerfs were justified because they were blockcasting efficiently, If its so OP, where are all the sDks now? Where is the best permablock class huh?

If someone is CC immune can they still get CCed from an unblockable CC? If a Mag Templar has all those negative affects on them can they purge them?

No you can not get CCed while CC immune and yes negative affects can get purged allowing a Mag Templar to block cast Breath of Life.

And Stam Dk’s are still viable don’t give me that. Check out the Paragon build on YouTube. Pretty nice stam DK build.

Lastly not every class have unblockable damaging abilities and the problem with that is that the idea takes away from rotations. Like for instance if I am fighting a block cast on my stam warden am I suppose to spam shalks till he dies and what about executions? Are we really writing out executions?

I’m not saying remove blocking, I am saying you should not be able to block and attack or block and heal at the same time.

So nerf blockcasting because templar can purge and CC immunity exists?

What about sorcs casting endless dark deals?
Nbs spamming cloak non-stop?



And no offense to the build creator, but this ''paragon stamDK'' is honestly a ''okay tier'' build, but thats not why your reasoning fails.

your example is a medium armor dizzy swing build, which has nothing to do with blockcasting. Its a solid proof that blockcasting gotten so bad stamDks are moving to medium and trying to act like stamblades.

So yeah, you basically googled ''stamDK build'' and posted the first thing you found just so that you can tell me stamDK isn't nerfed to oblivion for blockcasting.

It’s not ok to presume something. In which case you are wrong. However, I am hearing an excuse for block casting. You can tap block dizzy swing or out maneuver it all together. When it comes to cloak for stam blades if they can constantly cast cloak then they lack in other areas, however, cloak can be countered with moves live hurricane, mage light, flares, and AOE’s. Lastly Dark Deal can be interrupted and can not be block cast.

What I was saying originally is remove block casting because players are moving away from the original intent of the game in pvp. I doubt block casting as a dps in pve is viable, but in pvp it encourages Zerg balling, and in duels... we’ll have you seen two block casters duel it is so zzzz. Also if the other person isn’t block casting the duel is lopsided, which is why DK’s are considered op in duels.

Smithernest54 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Smithernest54 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Its 2018 and people still complain about blocking.

You have defiles, unblockable CCs, dots, bleeds, snares,roots, poisons..... Sooo many ways to counter it.
Not to mention all the skills that just ignore block and do full damage anyways.

StamDk nerfs were justified because they were blockcasting efficiently, If its so OP, where are all the sDks now? Where is the best permablock class huh?

If someone is CC immune can they still get CCed from an unblockable CC? If a Mag Templar has all those negative affects on them can they purge them?

No you can not get CCed while CC immune and yes negative affects can get purged allowing a Mag Templar to block cast Breath of Life.

And Stam Dk’s are still viable don’t give me that. Check out the Paragon build on YouTube. Pretty nice stam DK build.

Lastly not every class have unblockable damaging abilities and the problem with that is that the idea takes away from rotations. Like for instance if I am fighting a block cast on my stam warden am I suppose to spam shalks till he dies and what about executions? Are we really writing out executions?

I’m not saying remove blocking, I am saying you should not be able to block and attack or block and heal at the same time.

So nerf blockcasting because templar can purge and CC immunity exists?

What about sorcs casting endless dark deals?
Nbs spamming cloak non-stop?



And no offense to the build creator, but this ''paragon stamDK'' is honestly a ''okay tier'' build, but thats not why your reasoning fails.

your example is a medium armor dizzy swing build, which has nothing to do with blockcasting. Its a solid proof that blockcasting gotten so bad stamDks are moving to medium and trying to act like stamblades.

So yeah, you basically googled ''stamDK build'' and posted the first thing you found just so that you can tell me stamDK isn't nerfed to oblivion for blockcasting.

It’s not ok to presume something. In which case you are wrong. However, I am hearing an excuse for block casting. You can tap block dizzy swing or out maneuver it all together. When it comes to cloak for stam blades if they can constantly cast cloak then they lack in other areas, however, cloak can be countered with moves live hurricane, mage light, flares, and AOE’s. Lastly Dark Deal can be interrupted and can not be block cast.

What I was saying originally is remove block casting because players are moving away from the original intent of the game in pvp. I doubt block casting as a dps in pve is viable, but in pvp it encourages Zerg balling, and in duels... we’ll have you seen two block casters duel it is so zzzz. Also if the other person isn’t block casting the duel is lopsided, which is why DK’s are considered op in duels.

magDks are the only class that can blockcast and still do serious damage.

Outside of them duels are dominated by other specs that dont block at all, like magblades.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Smithernest54 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Smithernest54 wrote: »

There are plenty of builds out there that do not use block casting, however the difference is, is that it is challenging to play and require skill and tactics, and rotation.

No, the difference is they were given the tools of mobility and escape. DKs and Templars don't have that luxury and hence why they go into the blocking route.

Templars are amazing healers and have ability to mitigate damage, dks don’t have great healing even though I have seen DK healers, but there is a reason Dk’s excel as tanks. However, that is why we are suppose to pay close attention to our builds, skill, and cp allocation. I am in a guild with some pretty amazing duelers most in which do not use or like block casting, there are people with DK and Templar builds that do not use block casting at all. They use sets that heal or reduce damage. They use abilities that heal and grant damage shields. The proper tools are already in the game, that is a fact.

I am going to say that is incorrect there are dks and Templars that do not need to block cast and still tear up. Mobility/escape.... what about healing and damage mitigation? Do we lack the ability to critically think?

I don't want to sound like a jerk but what you're typing makes it look like you're not very familiar with the game. Lets make something clear: Not all Templars are Healers. Its this mentality that Templar MUST be healer that has fubarred the class in a serious way. Go play a Stamplar some time and talk to me about how great healing is. Block casting is not a problem. I could also very easily suggest that the multiple ways in which Sorcerer runs passive executes are unfair if I wanted to. Maybe the different classes just have different edges and by trying to rip away all identity from the class you would ruin them (Already happened to Templar).

I am a day one player with too many hours. I’ve seen this game at its worst. I have a stamplar and find it quite fun to play. The healing is not that great but it is the struggle with stam classes. However, stam classes can dodge roll and block to survive. Stamplars are a challenging class to play, but do play without block casting. However, your point that not all mag Templars are healers are of course correct, so my comment is directed toward the healing Templars specifically.

In regards to implosion it does... I can not remember the last time I saw that on my recap.

But, block casting is not part of a Templars identity that can not be what the developers intended.

Again saying that a class needs block casting is only proving my point. I say this because in actuality you do not and should not need

ak_pvp wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Smithernest54 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Smithernest54 wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Its 2018 and people still complain about blocking.

You have defiles, unblockable CCs, dots, bleeds, snares,roots, poisons..... Sooo many ways to counter it.
Not to mention all the skills that just ignore block and do full damage anyways.

StamDk nerfs were justified because they were blockcasting efficiently, If its so OP, where are all the sDks now? Where is the best permablock class huh?

If someone is CC immune can they still get CCed from an unblockable CC? If a Mag Templar has all those negative affects on them can they purge them?

No you can not get CCed while CC immune and yes negative affects can get purged allowing a Mag Templar to block cast Breath of Life.

And Stam Dk’s are still viable don’t give me that. Check out the Paragon build on YouTube. Pretty nice stam DK build.

Lastly not every class have unblockable damaging abilities and the problem with that is that the idea takes away from rotations. Like for instance if I am fighting a block cast on my stam warden am I suppose to spam shalks till he dies and what about executions? Are we really writing out executions?

I’m not saying remove blocking, I am saying you should not be able to block and attack or block and heal at the same time.

So nerf blockcasting because templar can purge and CC immunity exists?

What about sorcs casting endless dark deals?
Nbs spamming cloak non-stop?



And no offense to the build creator, but this ''paragon stamDK'' is honestly a ''okay tier'' build, but thats not why your reasoning fails.

your example is a medium armor dizzy swing build, which has nothing to do with blockcasting. Its a solid proof that blockcasting gotten so bad stamDks are moving to medium and trying to act like stamblades.

So yeah, you basically googled ''stamDK build'' and posted the first thing you found just so that you can tell me stamDK isn't nerfed to oblivion for blockcasting.

It’s not ok to presume something. In which case you are wrong. However, I am hearing an excuse for block casting. You can tap block dizzy swing or out maneuver it all together. When it comes to cloak for stam blades if they can constantly cast cloak then they lack in other areas, however, cloak can be countered with moves live hurricane, mage light, flares, and AOE’s. Lastly Dark Deal can be interrupted and can not be block cast.

What I was saying originally is remove block casting because players are moving away from the original intent of the game in pvp. I doubt block casting as a dps in pve is viable, but in pvp it encourages Zerg balling, and in duels... we’ll have you seen two block casters duel it is so zzzz. Also if the other person isn’t block casting the duel is lopsided, which is why DK’s are considered op in duels.

magDks are the only class that can blockcast and still do serious damage.

Outside of them duels are dominated by other specs that dont block at all, like magblades.

The funny thing is, that isn't even fully true. The damage a magDK gives up to be able to block decently is massive. More MagDKs play destro/resto now. A stamden or the like can get better results with s/b because they have better weave, better sustain from heavies and the sword and board passive for extra damage.

Like I said before, the issue with Mag Dk’s is that they can cast most of their rotation from blocking at the same time find ways to sustain through Desert rose, thorn, and or engine guardian set.

Smithernest54 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Personally I think blockcasting should have more of a penalty then it currently has (basicly none atm)

No stamregen, snare, many abilities ignoring it, massively costly and unsustainable,* drops if ccd or out of stam. (unlike shields)

*permablock is unsustainable completely, even with all cost reductions you need 3k non recovery stamregen to permablock against 4 people/one templar. Not possible.

If in a normal build its around double that, not including stam abilities, rolls or breakfrees. It is barely possible to permablock in a 1v1. You have to drop and heavy attack frequently.

No stam regen but you get magicka regen and you are not snared. While some abilities are ignored, BoL and healing spores isn’t and the is the primary problem in pvp. No one has an issue with blocking, it is the additional things you can do while blocking that is the current problem.

You can do things in cloak too, shall we remove all cloak casting, like with mist. In block you lose mobility, not specifically a snare, but it slows you.

I mean, you say they "do not need," which is half true, shield builds exist, but are less effective than every other class using shields, because they have other defenses. And I agree, they should not need, so say we remove block casting, or at least half the damage so that PvE tanks aren't rip...

Can DK have some actual defense? because wings is trash, and the class has nothing else. Templars have purge, but still rely on block, NB has cloak. (Which is easily twice as strong as permablock) sorcs have shield+streak, warden has shimmering+good healing+mobility.

DK has 5% extra mitigation when blocking... (10% extra of the 50% base block) We would need a passive change too, since its all based around being tanky. ZOS's own words: DK is a tank class.

You do realize no one likes a blocky playstyle, its awful for 1vX too, since you are in place and eating damage, instead of LOSing and bursting, you can't weave whilst block casting, and it is overly punishing. The only place I would say block is viable is in a 1v1, and only because its a single target so you can focus them and have time to heavy whilst they are CC'd.