How about a Nord Ultimate Buff?
madeeh91rwb17_ESO
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Nords at this point are arguably the "least competetive" of all races
So how about we deliver them a lore friendly present from their mother Kyne?
- Some sort of temporary stat buff that gets activated whenever they fire an ultimate. Resource recovery, weapon/spell damage increase. What have you.
- Some ridiculous damage mitigation buff.
- Or perhaps even an AOE stun. Something like NightBlade's 'fear' ability.
All directly proportional to the the cost of ultimate ability used of course.
NOTE: Some people suggest a frost damage buff. But I don't think that would be lore friendly. Only the Snow Elves(Falmer
) or the Kamal from Akhavir deserve a snow damage buff.
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EDIT:
All Nords have the ability to "battle cry" in battle. (Which admittedly, is different from thuum)
Source: Skyrim's racial skills.
Examples:
Redguards:
Bosmer
Nords
Edited by madeeh91rwb17_ESO on August 13, 2018 8:27AM So how about we deliver them a lore friendly present from their mother Kyne?
- Some sort of temporary stat buff that gets activated whenever they fire an ultimate. Resource recovery, weapon/spell damage increase. What have you.
- Some ridiculous damage mitigation buff.
- Or perhaps even an AOE stun. Something like NightBlade's 'fear' ability.
All directly proportional to the the cost of ultimate ability used of course.
NOTE: Some people suggest a frost damage buff. But I don't think that would be lore friendly. Only the Snow Elves(Falmer
) or the Kamal from Akhavir deserve a snow damage buff.---
EDIT:
All Nords have the ability to "battle cry" in battle. (Which admittedly, is different from thuum)
Source: Skyrim's racial skills.
Examples:
Redguards:
- Adrenaline Rush: Stamina regenerates 10x faster for 60 seconds.
- Resist Poison: Your Redguard blood gives you 50% resistance to poison.
Bosmer
- Command Animal: Make an animal an ally for 60 seconds.
- Resist Disease and Poison: Your Bosmer blood gives you 50% resistance to poison and disease.
Nords
- Battle Cry: Target flees for 30 seconds.
- Resist Frost: Your Nord blood gives you 50% resistance to frost.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How many years do the Nords have to grind with the Greybeards to get this buff?14 -
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✭Shout was a dragonborn thing and are nords really that weak?Edited by Drdeath20 on August 12, 2018 4:00PM8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Shout was a dragonborn thing and are nords really that weak?
Learning to shout quickly is a Dragonborn thing. Regular Nords like Ulfric Stormcloak can learn too, but it took years of meditation and working with the Greybeards.
So if you though the jewelrycrafting grind was bad...
(The Vestige can't be a dragonborn, because of the Main Quest and Imperial City main quest.)Edited by VaranisArano on August 12, 2018 4:03PM8 -
CeeJonesy✭✭✭I dnt think that nords are that bad. I play a nord warden which I really enjoyEdited by CeeJonesy on August 12, 2018 4:04PMPC EU | XBOX EU0 -
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Also, because the lack of a dragonborn to plop on the ruby throne and relight the dragonfires to lock out oblivion and the daedric princes is kinda the whole point of the interregnum, yes?VaranisArano wrote: »(The Vestige can't be a dragonborn, because of the Main Quest and Imperial City main quest.)
Also, I would not consider the nords all that lacking in competetiveness. They do pretty weell in any tanky role, yes? And as has been mentioned, any normal nord would have to spend years grinding with the greybeards to use any dragon shout...
IF the nords really needed some boost, I for one would give them some weapon damage buff or something, to portray their bulging muscles swinging those axes harder then some skinny bosmer ever could...1 -
WarMasterCyp✭✭✭madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »Nords at this point are arguably the "least competetive" of all races.
So how about we deliver them a lore friendly present from their mother Kyne?
- Some sort of temporary stat buff that gets activated whenever they fire an ultimate. Resource recovery, weapon/spell damage increase. What have you.
- Some ridiculous damage mitigation buff.
- Or perhaps even an AOE stun. Something like NightBlade's 'fear' ability.
All directly proportional to the the cost of ultimate ability used of course.
NOTE: Some people suggest a frost damage buff. But I don't think that would be lore friendly. Only the Snow Elves(Falmer ) or the Kamal from Akhavir deserve a snow damage buff.
Shout or Thuum is only what greybeards or dragonborn can do. Not all nords are able to do this even the most legendary warriors.0 -
madeeh91rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭Shout is NOT a dragonborn specific thing.
All Nords have an affinity to shouting. Dragonborns just have way way more of it.
Source: In Skyrim there are racial abilities for every race; one active/one passive.
Examples from Skyrim:
Redguards:- Adrenaline Rush: Stamina regenerates 10x faster for 60 seconds.
- Resist Poison: Your Redguard blood gives you 50% resistance to poison.
Bosmer- Command Animal: Make an animal an ally for 60 seconds.
- Resist Disease and Poison: Your Bosmer blood gives you 50% resistance to poison and disease.
Nords- Battle Cry: Target flees for 30 seconds.
- Resist Frost: Your Nord blood gives you 50% resistance to frost.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Racial ultimates were datamined ages ago, but ZOS never added them to the game for unknown reason.2 -
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✭✭✭madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »Shout is NOT a dragonborn specific thing.
All Nords have an affinity to shouting. Dragonborns just have way way more of it.
Source: In Skyrim there are racial abilities for every race; one active/one passive.
Examples from Skyrim:
Redguards:- Adrenaline Rush: Stamina regenerates 10x faster for 60 seconds.
- Resist Poison: Your Redguard blood gives you 50% resistance to poison.
Bosmer- Command Animal: Make an animal an ally for 60 seconds.
- Resist Disease and Poison: Your Bosmer blood gives you 50% resistance to poison and disease.
Nords- Battle Cry: Target flees for 30 seconds.
- Resist Frost: Your Nord blood gives you 50% resistance to frost.
I never interpreted the Nord shouting passive in Skyrim as something to do with thuum shouts. I thought it was just a warrior thing, since Nords are intimidating warriors.IGN @ emilypumpkin, imperial pumpkin seller
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✭You'd need years lf training unless you were dragonborn, unless they make it so that you can only use shouts whole wearing the dragonborn costume. lol0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »Shout is NOT a dragonborn specific thing.
All Nords have an affinity to shouting. Dragonborns just have way way more of it.
Source: In Skyrim there are racial abilities for every race; one active/one passive.
Examples from Skyrim:
Redguards:- Adrenaline Rush: Stamina regenerates 10x faster for 60 seconds.
- Resist Poison: Your Redguard blood gives you 50% resistance to poison.
Bosmer- Command Animal: Make an animal an ally for 60 seconds.
- Resist Disease and Poison: Your Bosmer blood gives you 50% resistance to poison and disease.
Nords- Battle Cry: Target flees for 30 seconds.
- Resist Frost: Your Nord blood gives you 50% resistance to frost.
The Nord racial passive Battle Cry is not a Thu'um in the dragon-tongue. Its not a Shout.
The Thu'um can only be used by Tongues who have studied with the Greybeards for years or by dragonborn.
So I'm fine with a Battle Cry type buff, but I'm not fine with calling it a Thu'um or Shout.0 -
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✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »Shout is NOT a dragonborn specific thing.
All Nords have an affinity to shouting. Dragonborns just have way way more of it.
Source: In Skyrim there are racial abilities for every race; one active/one passive.
Examples from Skyrim:
Redguards:- Adrenaline Rush: Stamina regenerates 10x faster for 60 seconds.
- Resist Poison: Your Redguard blood gives you 50% resistance to poison.
Bosmer- Command Animal: Make an animal an ally for 60 seconds.
- Resist Disease and Poison: Your Bosmer blood gives you 50% resistance to poison and disease.
Nords- Battle Cry: Target flees for 30 seconds.
- Resist Frost: Your Nord blood gives you 50% resistance to frost.
The Nord racial passive Battle Cry is not a Thu'um in the dragon-tongue. Its not a Shout.
The Thu'um can only be used by Tongues who have studied with the Greybeards for years or by dragonborn.
So I'm fine with a Battle Cry type buff, but I'm not fine with calling it a Thu'um or Shout.
Why can't Nords have studied with the Greybeards? In the context of the game, we're the only "hero" (the other players are pretty much just gameplay), so we can have unique talents.
Plus, the Psijic Order is a pretty exclusive club...I really doubt they'd just let anyone in who fetched a relic for them.
So things that should take a long period of time can happen very quickly in the context of an MMO
And to everyone who says only Dragonborn can shout...have you EVER fought a Draugr??Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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I'm cool with this. They gotta be pretty powerful though to be considered on par with every other ultimate in the game (maybe races with weaker passives like Breton and Khajiit have the strongest Ults while the races with the strongest passives like Redguard have weaker ults)...for example, Bretons could have like a Magicka battery type Ultimate like Dragonskin where they get super high magicka regen or restore a huge amount of magicka over a short period of time and Khajiit could have a "Wild instinct" type Ult where they get a huge damage buff for a short period of time...kinda like WW without a transformation.Edited by Valrien on August 12, 2018 8:08PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »Shout is NOT a dragonborn specific thing.
All Nords have an affinity to shouting. Dragonborns just have way way more of it.
Source: In Skyrim there are racial abilities for every race; one active/one passive.
Examples from Skyrim:
Redguards:- Adrenaline Rush: Stamina regenerates 10x faster for 60 seconds.
- Resist Poison: Your Redguard blood gives you 50% resistance to poison.
Bosmer- Command Animal: Make an animal an ally for 60 seconds.
- Resist Disease and Poison: Your Bosmer blood gives you 50% resistance to poison and disease.
Nords- Battle Cry: Target flees for 30 seconds.
- Resist Frost: Your Nord blood gives you 50% resistance to frost.
The Nord racial passive Battle Cry is not a Thu'um in the dragon-tongue. Its not a Shout.
The Thu'um can only be used by Tongues who have studied with the Greybeards for years or by dragonborn.
So I'm fine with a Battle Cry type buff, but I'm not fine with calling it a Thu'um or Shout.
Why can't Nords have studied with the Greybeards? In the context of the game, we're the only "hero" (the other players are pretty much just gameplay), so we can have unique talents.
Plus, the Psijic Order is a pretty exclusive club...I really doubt they'd just let anyone in who fetched a relic for them.
So things that should take a long period of time can happen very quickly in the context of an MMO
And to everyone who says only Dragonborn can shout...have you EVER fought a Draugr??
Because, if you paid attention during Skyrim, it takes years of study with the Greybeards to learn to use the Thu'um. Its a plot point that Ulfric is one of the few Tongues that will actually use the Thu'um in battle and that he spent his youth training with the Greybeards before the war with the Thalmor.
If you aren't a dragonborn, it takes years to become a Tongue, which is what the more powerful draugr are iimplied to be. Only the Dragonborn can quickly learn to Shout. The actual politics between the early Tongues when Jurgen Windcaller and the militant Tongues are mostly lost to history, so its theorectically possible to have militant Tongues at this time. But its not something that every Nord can have access to as a racial bonus. A Nord would have to spend years of study to acquire the Thu'um (remember Ulfric only knows Fus Ro Dah despite years of study) and I'm not in favor of handwaving that time requirement so our characters can have "unique talents."2 -
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✭I dnt think that nords are that bad. I play a nord warden which I really enjoy
IMHO, nords are hands down the best stamina PVP race, at least "open melee" ones. I've tried them all. Only one I find close to it is Imperial.
There's so much "BIS" and "min/max" in this game, that people don't even think - let alone TRY things. Suddenly someone does, and suddenly a set which everyone regarded deconstruction junk became "BIS", it's tiresome. But simple the way people are.
Nords are awesome for PVP - second to none. In PVE I admit they are worse than most, maybe second or third as tanks.1 -
nemvar✭✭✭✭✭I'm surprised at how few people actually know the lore. EVERYONE can use the voice. You just need proper training. It would be totally believable that a famous nord hero, like the player can be, is trained in it. The training process is abstracted in the journey to level 50. As nords have a cultural aptitude towards using shouts it would be a fitting racial ultimate for them, if such a thing ever were to be implemented.
I am personally against of racial ultimates because it has the potential to really screw people over if they wanted to play a specific build and they need the ult for it. Because they couldn't predict what ult they get at the time of creating their character it would probably cause more issues than it's worth.1 -
Nevasca✭✭✭✭✭At first I thought it was a joke. Opened the post, then I thought it was a shitpost. But no, this guy is dead serious.
Lore perspective: Nords are not born with the ability to shout. It's like saying every Dark Elf can cast Fireballs, or that every Redguard is a Sword-Singer(basically Thuum but with swords).
Balance perspective: Not one Race has a activable skill coming from Racials. The closest you get from that is the potion passive from Argonians. Your suggestions don't fix any of the problems that Nords have. The main problem is that Nords does not have enough damage while having poor sustain. He is a poor version of Imperial, pretty much, which has tankyness and good damage.
As for buffs to Nords, I would give them one of these two buffs:
1. Stalwart: Increases Max Stamina by 6% 8% and Health Recovery by 20%.
2. Reveler: Increases the duration of any consumed drink by 15 minutes. Drinks are 15% more effective (more stats and lasts for more).
The first buff gives him more damage to compete a bit more with Orc in the Bruiser race archetype, and at same time puts him at the same level as Imperial.
The second buff adresses his lack of sustain and damage, assuming he is using either Psijic or Dubious. Would make him BiS for any Health regen build, could be broken asf with Psijic + Troll King in a normal builds too. At least he will have uniqueness attached to Racials, not just a stat-boy like every Race.
EDIT: Imo Nord is underrated Race for PvP, like other people said. I think he just doesn't match people's playstyle all that much, people prefer the Sustain from Redguard, or Damage from Orc. Nord is supposed to be tankiest of the bruiser races in PvP, arguably only beaten by Argonian in overall tankyness since the healing plays a huge part in survivability, but Nords have Stam bonuses while Argonian does not. I am not even sure if he does need buffs, if ZoS would buff him, I'd keep an eye on adjusting numbers, or, buff other Races accordingly since imo races like Khajiit and Breton needs a bit of love.Edited by Nevasca on August 12, 2018 10:43PM0 -
Jamdarius✭✭✭✭✭I wouldn't mind Nords having bonus to Ice dmg, like 7% more - could be on the same passive as cold resist, but no to the shouts, ultimate racial skills sound interesting though, my Dark Elf would love to summon ancestor ghost.0 -
Malacthulhu✭✭✭✭I am onboard with this if bretons at least get a 1%ap increase to their 1% extra ap racial passive.Xbox One Na0 -
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✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »Shout is NOT a dragonborn specific thing.
All Nords have an affinity to shouting. Dragonborns just have way way more of it.
Source: In Skyrim there are racial abilities for every race; one active/one passive.
Examples from Skyrim:
Redguards:- Adrenaline Rush: Stamina regenerates 10x faster for 60 seconds.
- Resist Poison: Your Redguard blood gives you 50% resistance to poison.
Bosmer- Command Animal: Make an animal an ally for 60 seconds.
- Resist Disease and Poison: Your Bosmer blood gives you 50% resistance to poison and disease.
Nords- Battle Cry: Target flees for 30 seconds.
- Resist Frost: Your Nord blood gives you 50% resistance to frost.
The Nord racial passive Battle Cry is not a Thu'um in the dragon-tongue. Its not a Shout.
The Thu'um can only be used by Tongues who have studied with the Greybeards for years or by dragonborn.
So I'm fine with a Battle Cry type buff, but I'm not fine with calling it a Thu'um or Shout.
Why can't Nords have studied with the Greybeards? In the context of the game, we're the only "hero" (the other players are pretty much just gameplay), so we can have unique talents.
Plus, the Psijic Order is a pretty exclusive club...I really doubt they'd just let anyone in who fetched a relic for them.
So things that should take a long period of time can happen very quickly in the context of an MMO
And to everyone who says only Dragonborn can shout...have you EVER fought a Draugr??
Because, if you paid attention during Skyrim, it takes years of study with the Greybeards to learn to use the Thu'um. Its a plot point that Ulfric is one of the few Tongues that will actually use the Thu'um in battle and that he spent his youth training with the Greybeards before the war with the Thalmor.
If you aren't a dragonborn, it takes years to become a Tongue, which is what the more powerful draugr are iimplied to be. Only the Dragonborn can quickly learn to Shout. The actual politics between the early Tongues when Jurgen Windcaller and the militant Tongues are mostly lost to history, so its theorectically possible to have militant Tongues at this time. But its not something that every Nord can have access to as a racial bonus. A Nord would have to spend years of study to acquire the Thu'um (remember Ulfric only knows Fus Ro Dah despite years of study) and I'm not in favor of handwaving that time requirement so our characters can have "unique talents."
Yeah but the thing is, we already do the time leaps. A lot of our skills happen in relatively short periods of time which would realistically take months if not years of training.
And since, lorewise, our character is the only hero (and the other players basically don't exist) it is perfectly okay for our Nords to be Tongues.
So it would not really be every nord. Just our nord.
And all we'd really need is one or two shouts. It's not like we need to learn the entire dragon language.Edited by Valrien on August 13, 2018 3:42AMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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TheValar85✭✭✭✭✭No this is not skyrim. if ZOS gives shouts to nords bascily every race will demands that too, considdering in skyrim when you create a character basicly each and everyone of them can shout.
Allowing only nords to have shouting ability will lead to a mass chaos on the forums.
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✭Shout was a dragonborn thing and are nords really that weak?
My nord sorc beats vma!
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✭✭✭TheValar85 wrote: »No this is not skyrim. if ZOS gives shouts to nords bascily every race will demands that too, considdering in skyrim when you create a character basicly each and everyone of them can shout.
Allowing only nords to have shouting ability will lead to a mass chaos on the forums.
That's only Dragonborn where any race can shout. Only Nords can shout without a dragon soulEdited by Valrien on August 13, 2018 5:29AMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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madeeh91rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭Okay.
The Nord "Battle Cry" might not be thuum.
But Nords do have this ability to 'roar' in combat to influence the outcome. (Check Original Post Edit). Something which can be utilized to make a cool racial ultimate passive effect.Edited by madeeh91rwb17_ESO on August 13, 2018 8:01AM0
