ESO: state of the game as of Summerset "expansion"

idk · August 2018

It seems as though OP does not have much experience with competitive PvE, or MMORPGs in general. If (s)he had then (s)he would know that which classes do the best dps changes and changes often.

Further, most decent raiding teams would not be concerned about what class you played as long as you can pull the numbers. Cannot pull the DPS they are looking for then of course you will be benched.

So in other words, this seems merely to be a rant because OP has fallen out of favor with some raid groups.

shaielzafine · August 2018

Brabisoid wrote: »

shaielzafine wrote: »

Darkenarlol wrote: »

"Play as you want" never was and never would be equal to

"be number one in leaderboards competitive with whatever your snowflakeness calles a build"

- if you want to play your favorite mega-unique build - go do it

- if you want to play your favorite class - go ahead

- if you want to join meta and play endgame competitive leaderboar race - you are welcome

pick one and don't be greedy and childish lol

"play as you want" as in complete content for achievements in eso doing whatever build you want - you literally cannot do that. you could not complete hard mode runs of certain trials with a mishmash of builds / non optimized / multiple pve overland builds in group. that's not being childish, their point was why do we have to bring specific classes in to be able to just COMPLETE specific content (ex. Gryphon Heart achievement - you need magnb dps, dk tanks)

This not true at all. You only need magnbs as dps and dk tanks if you are aiming for the highest score in vCR. If you just want to get gryphon heart u can do it with anything u want. Will your group dps be lower? Sure. Will the fight last longer? Sure. Would you need to play much more mechanics then meta group? Certainly. But can it actually be done? Yes it can, it just requires you to come up with your own tactics and builds tailored to the task at hand.

Not true at all??? Excuse me??? Gryphon Heart Achievement is an achievement for No Death, Hardmode (vCR +3), SPEED RUN (15 minnutes) of veteran cloudrest. Look at your achievements journal in the game, this is an achievement that zenimax put in for clearing the trial with these conditions. You can't get this achievement with low dps and taking 5 hours to clear and there is no way to skip mechanics like you are suggesting. And no, it cannot be done with any random combination of builds. I know because I joined a raid team that was working on vCR + x and could not even complete + 1 without any mag night blades. All 3 tanks were all DKs and we had multiple magnbs as DPS when we finally completed it.

Knootewoot · August 2018

Peekachu99 wrote: »

It really is a chore to log in these days and there seems to be nothing on the horizon to shake things up.

That's why they introduced the daily rewards, so people have "reason" to log in.

Sogreth · August 2018

100% agree with OP.

I rarely even play anymore because of this. Granted, I want to play a Stam/Mag hybrid, bow/healer. But I can't unless I feel like playing a single player game, because NO ONE wants me in their groups. And I can't blame them, because hybrids suck. And using some gimmicky set bonus to make people feel like hybrid is good, just really doesn't cut it.

I would still rather play Skyrim over this. And I do. I just finished making another new character.

I had a lot of hope for ESO, I actually thought it was going to bump up to my #1 for MMOs, taking the place of WoW, finally. But, not a chance.

And for people saying "PvP is the true end game". Yeah sure, maybe it is. But then we are forced to play as the "best class" or we just get rolled.

Vahrokh · August 2018

idk wrote: »

It seems as though OP does not have much experience with competitive PvE, or MMORPGs in general. If (s)he had then (s)he would know that which classes do the best dps changes and changes often.

Further, most decent raiding teams would not be concerned about what class you played as long as you can pull the numbers. Cannot pull the DPS they are looking for then of course you will be benched.

So in other words, this seems merely to be a rant because OP has fallen out of favor with some raid groups.

I play online games since when I had to use a 300 baud modem to phone overseas in America and connecto to a M.U.D. (years 199x).

I played in a top 10 PvE world kills WoW guild in 2005-2007. The golden times when you could share Ventrilo (!) voice chats with Nihilum guild friends.

Now that I am 50 old, have job etc. I play in more relaxed guilds. However the screenshot I posted shows me doing a 2014 trial and nowadays I basically miss vMOL HM, AS + 2 and CR + 3.

Alas try "pulling the numbers" as a mag warden and see how good you do. Or even as a mag sorc. Nobody can even remotely compete with magblade.

That's why - unlike what you say - the competitive PvE groups take 7 (seven) magblades and 1 buff class (usualy magsorc).
Sure, all those 7 magblades they take are supreme players, but even then, they had to pick the One Class To Rule Them All (both in PvE and PvP).

Alcast · August 2018

My biggest brawl has been that ZOS seems to take more and more the uniqueness of classes away to homogenize them, making them all the same in the end, which obviously sucks. It has never been perfect either, but it has never been as bad as it is now in my opinion.

Lysette · August 2018

Alcast wrote: »

My biggest brawl has been that ZOS seems to take more and more the uniqueness of classes away to homogenize them, making them all the same in the end, which obviously sucks. It has never been perfect either, but it has never been as bad as it is now in my opinion.

Well, that is what they get when they want balance - if all are the same, it is balanced.

VaranisArano · August 2018

Sogreth wrote: »

100% agree with OP.

I rarely even play anymore because of this. Granted, I want to play a Stam/Mag hybrid, bow/healer. But I can't unless I feel like playing a single player game, because NO ONE wants me in their groups. And I can't blame them, because hybrids suck. And using some gimmicky set bonus to make people feel like hybrid is good, just really doesn't cut it.

I would still rather play Skyrim over this. And I do. I just finished making another new character.

I had a lot of hope for ESO, I actually thought it was going to bump up to my #1 for MMOs, taking the place of WoW, finally. But, not a chance.

And for people saying "PvP is the true end game". Yeah sure, maybe it is. But then we are forced to play as the "best class" or we just get rolled.

If you are interested in advice, a stam warden is the class I would choose for a bow/healer. Stamina Warden actually has the stamina heals to make both fighting and healing work, even though it will be less effective than the builds that spec for one or the other.

Also, in my experience, PVP does not require you to play as the "best class" (says someone currently playing and loving a magDK healer). It does, however, require you to put up with the long, steep learning curve where you will die a lot until you finally figure out enough about PVP to start staying alive and killing people. You can play the "best class" but until you learn how to use it in PVP, you'll still get rolled (I know, I did it. Made a blazeplar back when those were all the rage and sucked at it because I had no clue how to use it.)

That being said, Skyrim is awesome. Over an internet-outage one weekend, I booted up Skyrim again and spent some happy hours playing a new Dragonborn.

Hurbster · August 2018

Alcast wrote: »

My biggest brawl has been that ZOS seems to take more and more the uniqueness of classes away to homogenize them, making them all the same in the end, which obviously sucks. It has never been perfect either, but it has never been as bad as it is now in my opinion.

It was always going to happen when people use the same characters for PvE and PvP. Even with trials builds, it's going so far as recommending monster sets for beginners builds...

Ragnarock41 · August 2018

Alcast wrote: »

My biggest brawl has been that ZOS seems to take more and more the uniqueness of classes away to homogenize them, making them all the same in the end, which obviously sucks. It has never been perfect either, but it has never been as bad as it is now in my opinion.

This, so much this...

RusevCrush · August 2018

I think you can play as you want. Many threads on how the game is too easy...can play with a broom and a bucket.
So what we're really talking about here is the top of the leaderboard. You'll never be able to balance for that crowd. Min maxers will find the slightest advantage and flock to it.
I think the real issue is when casual guilds take themselves too seriously and require 8 magblades when they won't even sniff the leaderboard and perhaps not even clear the content.
I think the devs have done a good job for a large percentage of the player base and are stuck with an insurmountable task of providing their play as you want mission statement to the elite players.

Vahrokh · August 2018

RusevCrush wrote: »

I think you can play as you want. Many threads on how the game is too easy...can play with a broom and a bucket.
So what we're really talking about here is the top of the leaderboard. You'll never be able to balance for that crowd. Min maxers will find the slightest advantage and flock to it.
I think the real issue is when casual guilds take themselves too seriously and require 8 magblades when they won't even sniff the leaderboard and perhaps not even clear the content.
I think the devs have done a good job for a large percentage of the player base and are stuck with an insurmountable task of providing their play as you want mission statement to the elite players.

This reasonment would hold - and has held in the past - if the difference between classes performance were 2-3%. But you have classes pulling 35k (mag warden) and others pulling 49k (mag blade). This is a whopping 28% difference!!!
Even randoms are going to notice such massively huge differences, not just "elites".

I agree that elite players would still go for the +1% class and spec, but this is not the case. This is the case for a widly, grossly imbalanced game.

Doctordarkspawn · August 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Just a reminder that "Play the way you like" doesn't mean what most people think it means.

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Moreover, the current homogeneity of classes so that every class can fill every role in their own way and be moderately effective at everything is closer to The Elder Scrolls style of gameplay from the previous,single player games than the more rigidly defined class/role combos we started out with.

And yet it only got there after the games PVP focus was kicked to the curb like it should have been.

Vahrokh · August 2018

Lysette wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

My biggest brawl has been that ZOS seems to take more and more the uniqueness of classes away to homogenize them, making them all the same in the end, which obviously sucks. It has never been perfect either, but it has never been as bad as it is now in my opinion.

Well, that is what they get when they want balance - if all are the same, it is balanced.

Yeah, the same way you can cut off an arm and boldly declare that you defeated that nasty wart on the thumb!