WTB Fully-Leveled Characters (in the Crown Store)

EvilKiwi · August 2018

Why not just add a option for someone to play the game for you?! Buying fully leveled toon's defeats the purpose of playing the game and enjoying what it has to offer. And it's definitely P2W.

starkerealm · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Seriously, I'd pay for those. I don't have the time to go leveling these days, but I wanna play more of the classes.

EDIT: Edited title for clarity. Crown Store, not RMT

Balticthunder · August 2018

Anyway they isnt going to do that lol.

Valrien · August 2018

Balticthunder wrote: »

Anyway they isnt going to do that lol.

It would be nice. If they gave us more account wide stuff it wouldn't be as big of a deal though

PrinceDamien · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Balticthunder wrote: »

Anyway they isnt going to do that lol.

It would be nice. If they gave us more account wide stuff it wouldn't be as big of a deal though

It'll probably happen sooner or later.
Time changes and MMOs have to adapt.
Look at GW2, they said they would Never Ever have mounts. It was one of their big selling lines at its birth.
Now it has mounts. because people love mounts.

Valrien · August 2018

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Balticthunder wrote: »

Anyway they isnt going to do that lol.

It would be nice. If they gave us more account wide stuff it wouldn't be as big of a deal though

It'll probably happen sooner or later.
Time changes and MMOs have to adapt.
Look at GW2, they said they would Never Ever have mounts. It was one of their big selling lines at its birth.
Now it has mounts. because people love mounts.

Mounts are fun! I love my loyalty Senche!

I hope ZOS makes the changes soon if they do. The only reason I don't like leveling is because there's so much else you have to do that COMES with leveling.

Mages' Guild, Fighters' Guild, and Skyshards being some of the more tedious parts

Ampnode · August 2018

EvilKiwi wrote: »

Why not just add a option for someone to play the game for you?! Buying fully leveled toon's defeats the purpose of playing the game and enjoying what it has to offer. And it's definitely P2W.

Why does it affect you that someone boosted themselves to level 50? He didn't say for it to level every skill line or automatically gain every skyshard. It's a simple "boost to level 50" option. By this logic, ZOS should remove race changes since it's more or less the same thing.

As for the other statement, "defeats the purpose of playing the game and enjoying what it has to offer," this should seem pretty obvious as to why OP, or anyone else advocating this feature, would want this. You can only "enjoy" re-leveling a new character and seeing the same content over and over so many times. After leveling 8-10 characters to 50, it gets a big daunting.

kargen27 · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Chibs wrote: »

They could do very few things to make me quit the game, and this is definitely one of them. Never. Ever. Ever. Implement. This. Horrible. This would kill the game we all love.

Please elaborate on how this would be a bad thing?

MMOs survive on content being repeated. Allowing players to basically skip all the content with a new character would be bad for the longevity of the game.

Same reason we have RNG instead of an easy access token system.

PrinceDamien · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Balticthunder wrote: »

Anyway they isnt going to do that lol.

It would be nice. If they gave us more account wide stuff it wouldn't be as big of a deal though

It'll probably happen sooner or later.
Time changes and MMOs have to adapt.
Look at GW2, they said they would Never Ever have mounts. It was one of their big selling lines at its birth.
Now it has mounts. because people love mounts.

Mounts are fun! I love my loyalty Senche!

I hope ZOS makes the changes soon if they do. The only reason I don't like leveling is because there's so much else you have to do that COMES with leveling.

Mages' Guild, Fighters' Guild, and Skyshards being some of the more tedious parts

Don't hold your breath for guild skill lines to be account wide however.
They are locked behind quests and progression.

What I'd guess we would get would be Achivements and maybe skyshards.
Skyshards would be nice to have.

Valrien · August 2018

kargen27 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Chibs wrote: »

They could do very few things to make me quit the game, and this is definitely one of them. Never. Ever. Ever. Implement. This. Horrible. This would kill the game we all love.

Please elaborate on how this would be a bad thing?

MMOs survive on content being repeated. Allowing players to basically skip all the content with a new character would be bad for the longevity of the game.

Same reason we have RNG instead of an easy access token system.

Other MMOs with token systems and level skips do just fine, so no it's not for that reason

starkerealm · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Balticthunder wrote: »

Anyway they isnt going to do that lol.

It would be nice. If they gave us more account wide stuff it wouldn't be as big of a deal though

I'll give you that, but there are some conflicting interests there. For example, you really can't do lore books as account wide and skyshards. If you have skyshards, you've got a bunch of skill points you can't do anything with, naturally until you unlock the skills. If you have lorebooks, you've got a bunch of skills you could put points into, but not points to do anything with except meteor... okay, that's a problem on its own. If you have both... yeah, that's a mess.

Balticthunder · August 2018

It deletes purpose to make any new stories quests and zones. Why? Ppl just buy now maxed chars and jump straight into pvp or trial for that epic loot. Why then even bother to make any rpg stuff , just purple loot and pvp, because no one have time for all that boring crap.

CatchMeTrolling · August 2018

If this would be pay to win then there’s already pay to win things in the game. Buying xp Scrolls and having access to better farming areas, mats, gear and even eso plus could be considered p2w if we use that logic etc.

This is more of a convenience rather than pay to win. There’s no advantage to being level 50.

Ps. There’s an entire skill line and class locked behind a paywall. If this would be your breaking point you truly are an odd person.

Valrien · August 2018

Balticthunder wrote: »

It deletes purpose to make any new stories quests and zones. Why? Ppl just buy now maxed chars and jump straight into pvp or trial for that epic loot. Why then even bother to make any rpg stuff , just purple loot and pvp, because no one have time for all that boring crap.

Because even max level players play new content for the stories?

You assume questing is only for low level players and people just stop once they hit 50.

starkerealm wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Balticthunder wrote: »

Anyway they isnt going to do that lol.

It would be nice. If they gave us more account wide stuff it wouldn't be as big of a deal though

I'll give you that, but there are some conflicting interests there. For example, you really can't do lore books as account wide and skyshards. If you have skyshards, you've got a bunch of skill points you can't do anything with, naturally until you unlock the skills. If you have lorebooks, you've got a bunch of skills you could put points into, but not points to do anything with except meteor... okay, that's a problem on its own. If you have both... yeah, that's a mess.

The only Mages' Guild skills that are actually good are Meteor and Magelight.

One of those is available immediately anyways, and the other is pretty much only marginally better than other existing Ults that are available around level 7-10 (Such as Atronach and Incap)

It's just nice to not have to level them because you still gotta have em

radiostar · August 2018

If you are max CP (allottable) already, then why not? But you would still have to level Mages, Fighters, Psijic, Undaunted, Ledg-d, plus your Alliance skills, etc. So doesn't really save time, because you'd level out those while regular leveling anyway. But might work out for Z's benefit monetizewise.

Valrien · August 2018

radiostar wrote: »

If you are max CP (allottable) already, then why not? But you would still have to level Mages, Fighters, Psijic, Undaunted, Ledg-d, plus your Alliance skills, etc. So doesn't really save time, because you'd level out those while regular leveling anyway. But might work out for Z's benefit monetizewise.

If it doesn't save any time then there's no point.

I don't think the people saying these things understand just how these things are supposed to work

GawdSB · August 2018

Lol, my Magden sitting at level 15 cause I just don't feel like leveling it. But, no I don't support this.

Valrien · August 2018

GawdSB wrote: »

Lol, my Magden sitting at level 15 cause I just don't feel like leveling it. But, no I don't support this.

May I ask a reason? It helps to give a reason so that the discussion can be furthered

Androconium · August 2018

WTB Fully-Leveled Characters.

Does this include skill points? These are supplied, based on the experiences that you choose.
I don't do quests, so I don't get those points. I don't do Cyrodiil, so miss the extra points granted by shard collections.

There is no such thing as a 'fully-leveled' character.

The whole point of doing all the 'legwork' is that your choices form a fundamental part of how your character(s) develop(s) over time. This includes what elements of the game you actually play and your choices about weapons and equipment.

This has been a fundmental TES concept since 2002, when Morrowind was released.

The Zenimax business model is built around you spending time in the game and never being able to 'finish'.

Are you done wasting eveyone's time with this poorly consided suggestion?

Valrien · August 2018

Androconium wrote: »

WTB Fully-Leveled Characters.

Does this include skill points? These are supplied, based on the experiences that you choose.
I don't do quests, so I don't get those points. I don't do Cyrodiil, so miss the extra points granted by shard collections.

There is no such thing as a 'fully-leveled' character.

The whole point of doing all the 'legwork' is that your choices form a fundamental part of how your character(s) develop(s) over time. This includes what elements of the game you actually play and your choices about weapons and equipment.

This has been a fundmental TES concept since 2002, when Morrowind was released.

The Zenimax business model is built around you spending time in the game and never being able to 'finish'.

Are you done wasting eveyone's time with this poorly consided suggestion?

There is such a thing as fully-leveled.

It'a called going from 1 to 50. Skill points have nothing to do with levels, except the ones you gain from leveling.

Leveling applies to character level and the level of your skills.

Idk what else you think leveling means

Kikke · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

So what would you guys want included in this maxed character?

I would say:
Mages' Guild skills
Fighters' Guild skills
1-2 Weapon Lines (your choice)
All class skills
All wayshrines unlocked (for easy travel and quest completion)
All skills in the aforementioned trees ready to morph, but morphs not leveled

Vampire, DLC guilds, Fighters' Guild and Mages' Guild questlines, Skyshards, zone quests, crafting, etc etc all have to be leveled/completed separately still

Basically just the framework for having an endgame-ready character, and you do the rest of the legwork yourself.

I'd say you still need to grind everything yourself.
Max Level boost should just be the characters level, not skill lines.
Maybe 1 or 2 weapons, 1 armor and preset class skills, depending on what class you picked, to give you something to start with.
But Guild skill lines you still need to do the quests and grind like everyone else.
Wayshrines should still be unlocked normally.
You were asking for a Character level boost, not a "full game unlocked" boost.

What's the point of gating Wayshrines?

As for guild skills...by the time those are finished, you could have actually leveled a character fully. And it's definitely pointless not have Mages' guild maxed out if you don't even have the Wayshrines.

Because you still have to actually play the game.
A character boost should always only be for the characters level, nothing else.

I know that most people using level boosts do it on alts so they quickly can grind up gear for the endgame content purpose of that alt.
But remember, this is in the core an MMORPG.
No one should be able to buy themselves free from the core of the game.

Play and endure it.
Or move on to something else.
There are plenty of games with less time consuming character progress.

Leveling isn't playing the game. Playing the game is playing the game. It's all of it. Just because you skip something you don't like to do something you like, doesn't mean you're not playing the game.

"Playing the game is playing the game".
This is a Roleplaying game. So if you really wanted to play the game, you would go out there and quest and explore the world, like in a Roleplaying game. And along the way you'll unlock wayshrines, you get skyshards and progress your character.
And with the system where everything scales to ones level, you can basicly just ignore your level and enjoy the game for what it is and not rush to endgame.

There's more than one way to play an RPG. Not everyone wants to do the boring level grind. Some people just want to get into the min-maxing and endgame aspect of it. I personally see nothing wrong with that.

Balticthunder wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

Account wide everything first please

You know, I'd be okay with this. I'm happy to level another character if I don't have to worry about Skyshards, Lorebooks, and achievments.

Balticthunder wrote: »

I dont get it, whats the point of game then there is left? Buy everything, because no time, log in to show off for week, then bored and quit.

Because a lot of people enjoy the endgame like Trials and PvP. If you enjoy the leveling process then don't buy it.

For people that want to be at endgame with a new class, then they buy it and it becomes an amazing boon. For the people that want to level, all it does is take a way and then you don't have to buy it.

There isn't much downside there.

For how long? As I said there will be no connection with that char because of zero investment. Why not go and play Overwatch kind of games, because this is what u really want -straight into the action! Why choose to play rpg?

See post above. RPG doesn't mean "grind levels to get where you want"

That's not what an RPG is at all. You can be immersed without grinding exp.

And no, you can be invested in your character without doing quests. If you like the way they look, they're fun to play, and, optionally, you've got a good story for them...then you're plenty invested

MMORPGs, as ESO is are well known for their time consumption. This has been the core of MMOs, things takes time. Deal with it or maybe go play something thats not an MMO?

max_only · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Chibs wrote: »

They could do very few things to make me quit the game, and this is definitely one of them. Never. Ever. Ever. Implement. This. Horrible. This would kill the game we all love.

Please elaborate on how this would be a bad thing?

MMOs survive on content being repeated. Allowing players to basically skip all the content with a new character would be bad for the longevity of the game.

Same reason we have RNG instead of an easy access token system.

Other MMOs with token systems and level skips do just fine, so no it's not for that reason

Purely curious because I love mmorpgs, what other MMOs are you talking about that has a token system and level skip?

As for the subject, a lvl 50 character is an interesting idea but it should only come with the skill points you get from going 1-50. It should NOT come with anything else like leveled skill lines or weapon lines or wayshrines or cp or anything else. Getting to cp160 is easy so that shouldn’t be included either. This way you can jump into Summerset for instance and not regret all the lvl 1-49 drops that are SO Cool, but you can’t use for the rest of the entire game. I’ve put off doing a lot of content until lvl 50 for that very reason. That would be the only reason I’d support this idea, because we all know that drops under cp160 are trash.

Valrien · August 2018

max_only wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Chibs wrote: »

They could do very few things to make me quit the game, and this is definitely one of them. Never. Ever. Ever. Implement. This. Horrible. This would kill the game we all love.

Please elaborate on how this would be a bad thing?

MMOs survive on content being repeated. Allowing players to basically skip all the content with a new character would be bad for the longevity of the game.

Same reason we have RNG instead of an easy access token system.

Other MMOs with token systems and level skips do just fine, so no it's not for that reason

Purely curious because I love mmorpgs, what other MMOs are you talking about that has a token system and level skip?

As for the subject, a lvl 50 character is an interesting idea but it should only come with the skill points you get from going 1-50. It should NOT come with anything else like leveled skill lines or weapon lines or wayshrines or cp or anything else. Getting to cp160 is easy so that shouldn’t be included either. This way you can jump into Summerset for instance and not regret all the lvl 1-49 drops that are SO Cool, but you can’t use for the rest of the entire game. I’ve put off doing a lot of content until lvl 50 for that very reason. That would be the only reason I’d support this idea, because we all know that drops under cp160 are trash.

WoW and FFXIV, for starters?

The thing about not coming with anything is basically that you'd buy it to save time...and if you save no time then it's a waste of money.

It makes no economic sense to buy something explicitly to save time and then save no time.

starkerealm · August 2018

Androconium wrote: »

There is no such thing as a 'fully-leveled' character.

PTS Templates. Which would be a horrific idea on live.

TyroneShoelaces · August 2018

What!?! Pay for xp? I dont even participate in these double xp events, and I would turn off the extra ten percent from subscribing if I could.... Low levels are where it's at in this game. The more you level, the weaker you get! It's ridiculously stupid, but that's what they have chosen for us.

TyroneShoelaces · August 2018

Prioritizing a lowbie for the skills you need as soon as possible is one of the more enjoyable aspects for me.... Sometimes you have the most horrible useless skills equipped, just to get to where you need to be sooner. I suppose most of you have never had to play that game actually. But to each their own! Dawnbreaker at level 3 is quite a feat of boredom in itself! :-p

AbysmalGhul · August 2018

Tis would be such a waste of money. Does anyone remember the "Pay to Lose" promotion they did last year? Awesome sauce! I don't think this would constitute pay to win, but just pay because you're lazy.

Mureel · August 2018

PrinceDamien wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Seriously, I'd pay for those. I don't have the time to go leveling these days, but I wanna play more of the classes.

EDIT: Edited title for clarity. Crown Store, not RMT

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO BACK TO A P2W GAME!!!!!!!!!!!

Das not P2W tho

oh yes it is. go back to a pay to win game. pay to win is anything that gives you an advantage over someone else who couldnt pay for it. and buying a fully maxed character sure as heck fits the bill. so no go play like trove or something. dont poison a perfectly good game.

Not really.
Pay to Win is when you buy items or progress that puts you over others that don't pay.
Anyone can be max level without paying anything.
All he's asking for is to reduce the time to reach that stage.
He would still need to grind for gear and skyshards like everyone else.

People cry "p2w" over anything these days, not even knowing what it really means.

I would like to hear good reasons how someone can "win" over someone else by reaching max level faster than someone else who didn't pay. And we don't need to hear "he reached max lvl instantly without any effort", we all know that by now. I'd like to hear a good reason besides that that someone who didn't pay can't do.

personally I just feel that people who cry "p2w" over a lvl boost just cries because they don't want to pay for the convenience to reach end game sooner without the timesink. And honestly, I can understand that.
Not everyone have time to sit hour after hour playing a game, and everyone doesn't have the luxury for a level boost.

and we get more players who have no clue how to play their classes! YAY!

Mayrael · August 2018

Ok. 20k crowns per character.

Mureel · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

zTrok wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

So what would you guys want included in this maxed character?

I would say:
Mages' Guild skills
Fighters' Guild skills
1-2 Weapon Lines (your choice)
All class skills
All wayshrines unlocked (for easy travel and quest completion)
All skills in the aforementioned trees ready to morph, but morphs not leveled

Vampire, DLC guilds, Fighters' Guild and Mages' Guild questlines, Skyshards, zone quests, crafting, etc etc all have to be leveled/completed separately still

Basically just the framework for having an endgame-ready character, and you do the rest of the legwork yourself.

What legwork is there left to do? What you've described is half the experience that you're going and skipping using money. I'll leave my opinion as simple as I disagree with this idea entirely, but will keep it at that as this has zero chance at being implemented.

Make some training gear and embrace the grind

Leveling your morphs, obtaining gear if you don't already have it, taking the time to learn how to play your new character properly, find Skyshards if you don't have enough Skill Points, level Vampirism/Lycanthropy, level the rest of your weapon skills, do literally every quest in the game, level your alchemy and provisioning, etc etc

Theres a lot, actually

How? By rocking up to a vet dungeon, when you never yet learned to play, and wrecking everyone's day?

If you DO every quest in the game, your character will be levelled.

I find suggestions like these terrible, tbh. We already have enough people who cannot string together 25k dps - let alone anything else.

Boo.