New player, desperately need PVP help

Shraar · August 2018

I'm running into a lot of trouble in PvP: I can't tell if this game has the best PvP ever or the worst. It's very hard to find real information anywhere: the advice of several prominent ESO youtubers has really just boiled down to "Practice makes perfect." but that doesn't help me when I can't tell what's going on. I don't know what to practice. Or where I'm making mistakes. Or even what I should be trying to do, I just know that I deal no damage and die instantly. Please help.

I'm going for this build: https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-templar-heal-build-pvp/

But that page does not offer gameplay tips. I guess it assumes I already know, but I don't. When do I block? When do I heal? When do I use my ultimates, and which one? Do I keep my DoTs and area DoTs up at all times or does that waste mana, should I save it for some window when I go all-in? Basically, what does my rotation look like?

Any help would be appreciated. This game is probably the most complicated PvP I've ever encountered and I can tell the skill ceiling is very high... but I need help getting there because I feel like I cannot improve when I don't know where to start, as I mentioned above. Thanks.

SilverWF · August 2018

Well, that build is not for beginners.
If you have that gear, then you must not struggle too much, if you understand, that:
Your healing is mostly around you
You can't kill anyone in this build, so you must have a team, who would do that
You can't just facetank things (noone can), so you need to understand - when you need to break LOS etc

TheDoomsdayMonster · August 2018

You know, the skill ceiling is sky high for this games PvP...

For that reason I wish Zenimax made overland content far more difficult than it currently is, as there are many new players (like yourself) that want to get into PvP, and they are not at all ready for it because the overland content is mindnumbingly easy...

And the Youtubers are right; its gonna take a ton of practice and experience on your part before you start to get good at it...

People are going to come at you with many different strategies in many different ways, and as a result I cant tell you when you should be blocking; you are going to come to realize it with time as you get used to encountering certain tactics...

As to where to start, just dive right in, take your licks (and you are gonna die ALOT at 1st; we all have so don't let that get you down), and pay attention to whats happening to you...

I will say this, the Impend Trait is extremely valuable in PvP; get that trait on all your PvP gear as it'll significantly increase your survivability...

Keep your head up and good luck!

VaranisArano · August 2018

This post has some solid advice for new players https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/360956/joy-s-advice-for-midyear-mayhem-event/p1

Otherwise, I'd say:
Heal Proactively, not relatively. If you wait until you are low health, you are vulnerable to being burst down before you can heal yourself.

Typically, burst damage is the best way to overcome your enemies. If you can't combo skills into a large burst, then look for ways to keep up the pressure.

This looks like a support healer/tank thats meant to support a team, so make sure you stick with your team or group. Many healers and tanks rely on their ultimates for burst damage and their teammates to provide the actual killing power.

Crixus8000 · August 2018

Pvp on this game is very fun but does have it's set of problems and is very hard to learn in my opinion.

But my best advice, and what helped me learn much easier and way, way faster is to watch gameplay videos of good pvp players on twitch and youtube and most importantly build for sustain and survivability. Damage means nothing if you don't have the skill to use it and are dying in 1second. At least having good sustain and survivability will allow you to stay alive longer to have more time to learn combat.

I spent so much time trying other players builds and ideas and it never worked. I was too squishy and died all the time. I gave up and just made my own to fit my playstyle and I started playing 10x better. I could hold my own while I then started to learn the game properly.

Also 1v1s are a great way to learn, it's much less chaotic so you can see what's going on easier to learn how to counter things.

Tesfa · August 2018

- Learning to sustain is more important than anything else.

Practice makes perfect.

Raammzzaa · August 2018

You have received some outstanding replies above. Personally, beyond simple practice, I learned by playing with great players. That involves going into chat, “lfg” for a group, and learning tips, tricks, and tactics as you go. It’s super fun! Hope to see you in Cyrodiil in glorious battle!

inkorporated · August 2018

Time Your Burst Damage With CC that sums up PvP.

some tips Bind a key to breakfree.
I have breakfree bound to mwheel down and roll dodge to mwheel up. i find this alot easier than pressing 2 seperate buttons for each. so when i am cc i just roll mwheel down and up.
if u use a Hot Heal such as vigor roll dodge after used the ticks continue to heal while u dodge damage.
yes practice makes perfect i am still fairly new so i practice on resource guards staying alive and doing burst combos. u need to get the muscle memory so u can do it without thinking about it which takes practice. but guards on resources i find good practice because they constantly cc u and lvl 5 are OP.

DirkRavenclaw · August 2018

Hi, if you are on PC/NA and have a AD Character shoot me a message in game,@DirkRavenclaw. Im in a AD PVP Guild, we play on Vivec 30 Day Campaign and use TS as Communication

Ragnaroek93 · August 2018

Doing duels is probably the best way to get used to PvP. Try to join a dueling guild, ask people for advice there, look for other players who would like to improve or testing stuff too (best improvements would come from playing against people who are slighty better than you).

The important thing in learning a new skill is to always stay focused while you practise, stay outside of your comfort zone (good practise is always exhausting and often not enjoyable) and focus on your weaknesses, which you can spot by recording your gameplay and either figure them out by yourself or find someone who coaches you.

I can guarantee you that ESO is by far not as difficult as it looks to someone who is new to the game. It's by far easier than any competitive moba, fps or rts game. Don't get discouraged when you run into a plateau and can't improve for several days, that's normal. When this happens you should change something in your build, for example go for less regen and more dmg, try out other builds and classes (you can do this on PTS as well as long as you find someone to play with there, which you normally do during test phases).

What won't work is just playing the game. There's nothing wrong with just playing the game as long as you have fun but if you want to improve you have to leave your comfort zone. Just zerging the whole day won't bring you anywhere, no matter if you do it for 10k hours, always keep this in mind (I'm saying this because you stated that practise makes perfect, which isn't true, you have to do the right kind of practise).

Edit: I don't play magicka templar but your build is heavily support focused. If this is your goal it's fine but if you want to do solo PvP or duels you should change something (swap sturdy for impen for example).

inkorporated · August 2018

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Doing duels is probably the best way to get used to PvP. Try to join a dueling guild, ask people for advice there, look for other players who would like to improve or testing stuff too (best improvements would come from playing against people who are slighty better than you).

The important thing in learning a new skill is to always stay focused while you practise, stay outside of your comfort zone (good practise is always exhausting and often not enjoyable) and focus on your weaknesses, which you can spot by recording your gameplay and either figure them out by yourself or find someone who coaches you.

I can guarantee you that ESO is by far not as difficult as it looks to someone who is new to the game. It's by far easier than any competitive moba, fps or rts game. Don't get discouraged when you run into a plateau and can't improve for several days, that's normal. When this happens you should change something in your build, for example go for less regen and more dmg, try out other builds and classes (you can do this on PTS as well as long as you find someone to play with there, which you normally do during test phases).

What won't work is just playing the game. There's nothing wrong with just playing the game as long as you have fun but if you want to improve you have to leave your comfort zone. Just zerging the whole day won't bring you anywhere, no matter if you do it for 10k hours, always keep this in mind (I'm saying this because you stated that practise makes perfect, which isn't true, you have to do the right kind of practise).

Edit: I don't play magicka templar but your build is heavily support focused. If this is your goal it's fine but if you want to do solo PvP or duels you should change something (swap sturdy for impen for example).

Someone read Mastery.

LittlePinkDot · August 2018

Shraar wrote: »

I'm running into a lot of trouble in PvP: I can't tell if this game has the best PvP ever or the worst. It's very hard to find real information anywhere: the advice of several prominent ESO youtubers has really just boiled down to "Practice makes perfect." but that doesn't help me when I can't tell what's going on. I don't know what to practice. Or where I'm making mistakes. Or even what I should be trying to do, I just know that I deal no damage and die instantly. Please help.

I'm going for this build: https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-templar-heal-build-pvp/

But that page does not offer gameplay tips. I guess it assumes I already know, but I don't. When do I block? When do I heal? When do I use my ultimates, and which one? Do I keep my DoTs and area DoTs up at all times or does that waste mana, should I save it for some window when I go all-in? Basically, what does my rotation look like?

Any help would be appreciated. This game is probably the most complicated PvP I've ever encountered and I can tell the skill ceiling is very high... but I need help getting there because I feel like I cannot improve when I don't know where to start, as I mentioned above. Thanks.

I got more kills in pvp when I finally was able to get the gear needed for a functioning build. You need gold legendary quality weapons. Armour should at least be epic purple quality.
I dont have enough gold tempers to upgrade metal weapons. But Rosin for upgrading wood weapons to legendary was easier to get, so my stamblade is currently a bowgank build by default. But its working better than a build I only have half assed gear for.

Thogard · August 2018

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Doing duels is probably the best way to get used to PvP. Try to join a dueling guild, ask people for advice there, look for other players who would like to improve or testing stuff too (best improvements would come from playing against people who are slighty better than you).

The important thing in learning a new skill is to always stay focused while you practise, stay outside of your comfort zone (good practise is always exhausting and often not enjoyable) and focus on your weaknesses, which you can spot by recording your gameplay and either figure them out by yourself or find someone who coaches you.

I can guarantee you that ESO is by far not as difficult as it looks to someone who is new to the game. It's by far easier than any competitive moba, fps or rts game. Don't get discouraged when you run into a plateau and can't improve for several days, that's normal. When this happens you should change something in your build, for example go for less regen and more dmg, try out other builds and classes (you can do this on PTS as well as long as you find someone to play with there, which you normally do during test phases).

What won't work is just playing the game. There's nothing wrong with just playing the game as long as you have fun but if you want to improve you have to leave your comfort zone. Just zerging the whole day won't bring you anywhere, no matter if you do it for 10k hours, always keep this in mind (I'm saying this because you stated that practise makes perfect, which isn't true, you have to do the right kind of practise).

Edit: I don't play magicka templar but your build is heavily support focused. If this is your goal it's fine but if you want to do solo PvP or duels you should change something (swap sturdy for impen for example).

Duel!

But yeah maybe don’t duel in a support build.