Is it in a realm of possibility that craft bag will be free one day? Or that's just too much to ask?

max_only · July 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

It's absolutely not too much to ask for. It should be free and it's absolute nonsense that people who pay hundreds of dollars for content/crowns are being squeezed for a monthly membership. I'm one of those people. I've bought two chapter Collector's Editions and 21,000 crowns over the last year and a half.

I had to spend 11,000 crowns to get a storage solution going so I wasn't paying $15 for the membership when I owned the DLCs outright. I can't believe that people playing an Elder Scrolls MMO think that this is remotely acceptable. ZOS has burned all good will I had for the game because every time I spend money the way I want to play the game, I devalue their membership option.

Gating an acceptable crafting system behind a monthly membership is some free2play bull****

You didn't have to spend anything, honestly. You could put up with storage problems. You could do what I've done since I don't subscribe either: getting housing storage with writs, bank storage with gold, and make a mule character or two. No crowns required.

I get the frustration, really, but you didn't have to buy anything. Personally, I've managed to get on fine without the Crafting Bag and just the in-game options for storage.

QFT

madarame_77 · July 2018

I disagree that craft bag should be free. This is why. I am CP 230 and I have inventory space 120 and bank space 130 plus 30 space in chest (the one they give for free). And I am planning to extend more. Plus there is the horse bag up to 60 slots. So you can have appr 300+ space after a few weeks of play. That is WAY more than enough for crafting materials + leave some space for loot. Plus there is also guild bank if you are in a guild. Yes, I need to go to merchant/after a few dungeon runs. But this is how it works. If you want it easy you can buy it.

SugaComa · July 2018

DaveDom wrote: »

As the title goes... i basically quitted cuz of this.. now bare with me.

I think we all love b2p mmos cuz of the quality of the games compared to f2p mmos. But to me b2p always meant "buy once and enjoy" (unless ofcz DLCs). So now after like 2 n a half years of playing ESO i've realised how much money i actually spent on it. And ofcz quickly i realised it's faaaaaaar from a b2p game. I guess it's more like a b2p/p2p mix. Math is quite simple i suppose. 20-40$ for a base game (depending on which edition u buy) and then i probably paid like 24-26 months of ESO plus.. So that's roughly like 400$ in total. Now.. does that sound like a buy once and enjoy game to u? And of course i quickly realised how much of a pain it is to play when u don't have ESO plus (or more like a Craft bag plus..). Lots of people i knew basically paid those 15$ just for the craft bag not for DLC or any other perks. I understand the logic to put certain convenience items for a price.. but to me Craft bag seems more like a necessity not just a "convenience". I'm quite sure ZOS could make up that money from some other sources like costumes etcetc but atleast lots more people would play the game instead of quittin. Any other b2p mmo is lot more user-friendly. Most of em are just buy once and enjoy the game.. But does ESO fall in that category too? So yeah.. Isit even possible that one day it'll be a default? Or that's just way too much to ask? Too much to ask even tho people bought the game already and supported you for quite long time? I think we all love this game (even tho it has some issues with latency especially in PvP) and we'd like to carry on playing.. but for me it was a no-no when i sat down did the math and realised how much money i actually have to spend on a "b2p" game just for that dang crafting bag to be available. Food for thought (looking at ZOS) ^^

Craft bag will be available to all in the last year of ESO life span I would imagine

AlexanderDeLarge · July 2018

max_only wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

It's absolutely not too much to ask for. It should be free and it's absolute nonsense that people who pay hundreds of dollars for content/crowns are being squeezed for a monthly membership. I'm one of those people. I've bought two chapter Collector's Editions and 21,000 crowns over the last year and a half.

I had to spend 11,000 crowns to get a storage solution going so I wasn't paying $15 for the membership when I owned the DLCs outright. I can't believe that people playing an Elder Scrolls MMO think that this is remotely acceptable. ZOS has burned all good will I had for the game because every time I spend money the way I want to play the game, I devalue their membership option.

Gating an acceptable crafting system behind a monthly membership is some free2play bull****

You didn't have to spend anything, honestly. You could put up with storage problems. You could do what I've done since I don't subscribe either: getting housing storage with writs, bank storage with gold, and make a mule character or two. No crowns required.

I get the frustration, really, but you didn't have to buy anything. Personally, I've managed to get on fine without the Crafting Bag and just the in-game options for storage.

QFT

I didn't have to spend anything in the same way that I could go play a Korean grindfest and their community would make similar arguments against their insane monetization when I make a forum post complaining about it. It doesn't make it any less scummy feeling and obscene to players who are at a disadvantage to a core element of the game even after spending hundreds of dollars on it.

I can't imagine doing everything that comes along with doing writs without the crafting bag or having some sort of makeshift storage solution like I have. The same could be said for grinding Tel Var in the Imperial City when Cyrodiil has so many issues.

All this doesn't change the fact that I felt like I was being strong armed into paying for something I don't want to when I'm already spending hundreds of dollars on a yearly basis and the fact that every time I buy content outright, I devalue my ESO+ membership by getting less incentives.

JKorr · July 2018

ZeroXFF wrote: »

I'm buying every DLC since the moment I started playing ESO. It's not like I end up paying much less than the ESO+ subscribers in the end. I also bought the mobile banker and merchant for a hefty amount of crowns. And I intend to continue buying all DLCs for as long as I'm playing the game, because I want to be "up to date", and I don't want to be locked out of content if I decide to take a break and come back later. And as long as I'm playing and buying all DLCs, I don't see a good reason to be treated like a 2nd class citizen.

Maybe an alternative to getting the ESO+ sub for the craft bag would be giving access to it to everyone who purchased the latest DLC, until the next DLC is released. Since people buying all DLCs are effectively subscribers too, it would achieve the same result without punishing people who prefer the b2p model. Since it's still cheaper in the end than actually buying a sub, it's ok not having all the benefits (double bank space, exp boost, extra crates during events etc), but the craft bag would be a big QoL improvement allowing me to spend more time actually playing the game rather than moving around crafting mats to my mules.

Out of curiosity; would there be an additional bonus for players who sub [continue to sub], *and* buy the dlc in case they ever drop their sub? Cause if buying the dlc counts the same as subbing, I'm subbed twice. [and bought the chapters, and bought extra crowns for mounts you can buy outright, and bought crowns to gift dlcs to friends....]

stitchesofdooom · July 2018

DaveDom wrote: »

As the title goes... i basically quitted cuz of this.. now bare with me.

I think we all love b2p mmos cuz of the quality of the games compared to f2p mmos. But to me b2p always meant "buy once and enjoy" (unless ofcz DLCs). So now after like 2 n a half years of playing ESO i've realised how much money i actually spent on it. And ofcz quickly i realised it's faaaaaaar from a b2p game. I guess it's more like a b2p/p2p mix. Math is quite simple i suppose. 20-40$ for a base game (depending on which edition u buy) and then i probably paid like 24-26 months of ESO plus.. So that's roughly like 400$ in total. Now.. does that sound like a buy once and enjoy game to u? And of course i quickly realised how much of a pain it is to play when u don't have ESO plus (or more like a Craft bag plus..). Lots of people i knew basically paid those 15$ just for the craft bag not for DLC or any other perks. I understand the logic to put certain convenience items for a price.. but to me Craft bag seems more like a necessity not just a "convenience". I'm quite sure ZOS could make up that money from some other sources like costumes etcetc but atleast lots more people would play the game instead of quittin. Any other b2p mmo is lot more user-friendly. Most of em are just buy once and enjoy the game.. But does ESO fall in that category too? So yeah.. Isit even possible that one day it'll be a default? Or that's just way too much to ask? Too much to ask even tho people bought the game already and supported you for quite long time? I think we all love this game (even tho it has some issues with latency especially in PvP) and we'd like to carry on playing.. but for me it was a no-no when i sat down did the math and realised how much money i actually have to spend on a "b2p" game just for that dang crafting bag to be available. Food for thought (looking at ZOS) ^^

Most of the reason anyone pays for ESO Plus is for the craft bag. Bank and Bag space are capped and EXPENSIVE. As more and more items and materials are added to the game, it makes relying on your bag and bank less and less viable.

This is on purpose. They WANT you to pay for ESO Plus JUST for the craft bag. They aren't doing it to get by, they don't NEED the millions upon millions they get from us for ESO Plus. This "gmes as a service" is a disgusting and underhanded means to rinse as much money out of us as possible and STILL NO [removed profanity] GUILDHALL FUCNTIONALITY. No new servers that don't crash all the time. It's greed, pure and simple. That's why we're getting Fallout 76. That's why the [removed inappropriate comment] Club exists.

Greed.

Buy chests for your home. Farm a buttload of materials. Buy ESO Plus as infrequently as possibe. They're just being scummy and underhanded.

Nestor · July 2018

Hey OP, you get 1500 crowns each month from the sub. That would have accounted for a big chunk of the $400 you say you spent in the crown store.

Never understood this argument of "I spent hundreds of dollars on everything but the sub so give me the sub incentive for free"

If your spending that much money, sub for pete's sake. You could have gotten every single thing you bought in the crown store and all the subscription perks including the craft bag and spent the same amount of money.

AlexanderDeLarge · July 2018

Nestor wrote: »

Hey OP, you get 1500 crowns each month from the sub. That would have accounted for a big chunk of the $400 you say you spent in the crown store.

Never understood this argument of "I spent hundreds of dollars on everything but the sub so give me the sub incentive for free"

If your spending that much money, sub for pete's sake. You could have gotten every single thing you bought in the crown store and all the subscription perks including the craft bag and spent the same amount of money.

I've spent $200 on two collector's editions and roughly another $100 on 21,000 crowns during a sale which I used to buy DLCs and dungeon packs. To play the game optimally, I'll need to spend another $15/mo or I'll have an extremely inconvenient and unpleasant time or avoid a core mechanic in the game that is a huge part of ANY Elder Scrolls title.

Justify my scenario. Aren't their scummy lootboxes, $30 mount skins, $100 houses and content packs/expansion DLCs/chapters every 3-4 months enough monetization? Do they really need to shake down crafters for an extra 15 bucks a month to survive? A couple weeks ago I broke down why their business model sucks point by point by point and the community couldn't contain themselves to the point where the thread was locked for flaming but it's still visible.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425672/elder-scrolls-onlines-business-model-sucks-compared-to-guild-wars-2-the-competition/p1

ZeroXFF · July 2018

JKorr wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

I'm buying every DLC since the moment I started playing ESO. It's not like I end up paying much less than the ESO+ subscribers in the end. I also bought the mobile banker and merchant for a hefty amount of crowns. And I intend to continue buying all DLCs for as long as I'm playing the game, because I want to be "up to date", and I don't want to be locked out of content if I decide to take a break and come back later. And as long as I'm playing and buying all DLCs, I don't see a good reason to be treated like a 2nd class citizen.

Maybe an alternative to getting the ESO+ sub for the craft bag would be giving access to it to everyone who purchased the latest DLC, until the next DLC is released. Since people buying all DLCs are effectively subscribers too, it would achieve the same result without punishing people who prefer the b2p model. Since it's still cheaper in the end than actually buying a sub, it's ok not having all the benefits (double bank space, exp boost, extra crates during events etc), but the craft bag would be a big QoL improvement allowing me to spend more time actually playing the game rather than moving around crafting mats to my mules.

Out of curiosity; would there be an additional bonus for players who sub [continue to sub], *and* buy the dlc in case they ever drop their sub? Cause if buying the dlc counts the same as subbing, I'm subbed twice. [and bought the chapters, and bought extra crowns for mounts you can buy outright, and bought crowns to gift dlcs to friends....]

You get DLC access with ESO+, you don't have to buy them any more. So yeah, you are subbed twice effectively. What kind of compensation would you want for that?

Davor · July 2018

I am curious what the original poster does with is 50 cents a day. While he is correct on the "tactic" being used, I look at it as 50 cents a day to enjoy my game better is worth it to ME. I cancelled my ESO+ on Xbox One now that I play on PC. I tried to play on Xbox One and had to give up since the first time I picked up something I had to store it on my character not my craft bag.

So 50 cents a day is WELL WORTH IT FOR ME. Also I get other benefits as well. So while it may to be worth it for the orignal poster, it's well worth it for me.

Davor · July 2018

JKorr wrote: »

[um...Have you looked at the fun system that is "bags" for GW2? https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bag and there appears to be a limit as to how many you can have:

Free to play accounts start with 3 bag slots and can unlock a 4th with gems. Core and HoT accounts start with 5 bag slots and can unlock 5 more with gems.
The Path of Fire expansion introduced new 24-slot, 28-slot, and 32-slot ascended bags to be acquired through crafting.
With the October 17, 2017, update, the limit of bags per character has been raised by two for a total of 10 (previously 8)

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Category:Bags

For a hobby/fun/enjoyable thing to do, 50 cents a day is a price I'm willing to pay.

This is why I have stopped playing GW2. While the base game is free, I don't like having a limited selections of slots in a bag since I am a hoarder. I see lots if not all MMO games are like this. So since the "loot bag" ESO offers is UNLIMITED not just a few extra.

I am curious now, what game is the Original Poster going to go. I might try it out if he/she can find the game that doesn't do this.

Jhalin · July 2018

OP if you can drop $100+ at once, you can spend .50¢ a day for all these bonuses you want.

For subbing you get:
Your money back in crowns
Double house and bank space
Costume dyeing
Bonuses to exp and inspiration
Free DLC access
The Craft Bag

If you seriously are going to come complain about .50¢ a day being too much to spend to avoid inventory management (a giant staple of MMOs) on top of all these other bonuses, no one is going to take you seriously and for good reason

AlexanderDeLarge · July 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

OP if you can drop $100+ at once, you can spend .50¢ a day for all these bonuses you want.

For subbing you get:
Your money back in crowns
Double house and bank space
Costume dyeing
Bonuses to exp and inspiration
Free DLC access
The Craft Bag

If you seriously are going to come complain about .50¢ a day being too much to spend to avoid inventory management (a giant staple of MMOs) on top of all these other bonuses, no one is going to take you seriously and for good reason

Still waiting for someone to my argument. It's not 50 cents a day. It's another $150 a year on top of everything else I've spent and I wouldn't get the slightest bit discounted even though I have every single dungeon pack and expansion DLC.

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Hey OP, you get 1500 crowns each month from the sub. That would have accounted for a big chunk of the $400 you say you spent in the crown store.

Never understood this argument of "I spent hundreds of dollars on everything but the sub so give me the sub incentive for free"

If your spending that much money, sub for pete's sake. You could have gotten every single thing you bought in the crown store and all the subscription perks including the craft bag and spent the same amount of money.

I've spent $200 on two collector's editions and roughly another $100 on 21,000 crowns during a sale which I used to buy DLCs and dungeon packs. To play the game optimally, I'll need to spend another $15/mo or I'll have an extremely inconvenient and unpleasant time or avoid a core mechanic in the game that is a huge part of ANY Elder Scrolls title.

Justify my scenario. Aren't their scummy lootboxes, $30 mount skins, $100 houses and content packs/expansion DLCs/chapters every 3-4 months enough monetization? Do they really need to shake down crafters for an extra 15 bucks a month to survive? A couple weeks ago I broke down why their business model sucks point by point by point and the community couldn't contain themselves to the point where the thread was locked for flaming but it's still visible.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425672/elder-scrolls-onlines-business-model-sucks-compared-to-guild-wars-2-the-competition/p1

Wildberryjack · July 2018

Games that have a free to play option always have incentives to try to get you to decide to sub. This isn't anything new. Also the bottom line is, it's a choice. You don't need to sub to play. I'd love to be able to buy the crafting bag but I don't see that ever happening since that bag is why most do sub. I get that and don't have a problem with it. I get crowns and don't have to buy the DLCs with a sub so I feel I'm getting my money's worth. $15 for a months entertainment is cheap, I spend more than that going to one movie.

Jhalin · July 2018

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

OP if you can drop $100+ at once, you can spend .50¢ a day for all these bonuses you want.

For subbing you get:
Your money back in crowns
Double house and bank space
Costume dyeing
Bonuses to exp and inspiration
Free DLC access
The Craft Bag

If you seriously are going to come complain about .50¢ a day being too much to spend to avoid inventory management (a giant staple of MMOs) on top of all these other bonuses, no one is going to take you seriously and for good reason

Still waiting for someone to my argument. It's not 50 cents a day. It's another $150 a year on top of everything else I've spent and I wouldn't get the slightest bit discounted even though I have every single dungeon pack and expansion DLC.

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Hey OP, you get 1500 crowns each month from the sub. That would have accounted for a big chunk of the $400 you say you spent in the crown store.

Never understood this argument of "I spent hundreds of dollars on everything but the sub so give me the sub incentive for free"

If your spending that much money, sub for pete's sake. You could have gotten every single thing you bought in the crown store and all the subscription perks including the craft bag and spent the same amount of money.

I've spent $200 on two collector's editions and roughly another $100 on 21,000 crowns during a sale which I used to buy DLCs and dungeon packs. To play the game optimally, I'll need to spend another $15/mo or I'll have an extremely inconvenient and unpleasant time or avoid a core mechanic in the game that is a huge part of ANY Elder Scrolls title.

Justify my scenario. Aren't their scummy lootboxes, $30 mount skins, $100 houses and content packs/expansion DLCs/chapters every 3-4 months enough monetization? Do they really need to shake down crafters for an extra 15 bucks a month to survive? A couple weeks ago I broke down why their business model sucks point by point by point and the community couldn't contain themselves to the point where the thread was locked for flaming but it's still visible.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425672/elder-scrolls-onlines-business-model-sucks-compared-to-guild-wars-2-the-competition/p1

YOU GET ALL OF THAT MONEY YOU SPEND BACK IN CROWNS.

You don’t HAVE an argument. So what you bought the DLC knowing you could get free access? every new one that comes out you get access to as well.

You get double bank and house space. You get exp and inspiration bonuses. You get to circumvent the MMO staple inventory management. ALL THIS AT THE SAME PRICE AS BUYING 1500 CROWNS A MONTH

Learn how to save money! Cumulatively I spend $1000s on food, that doesn’t mean I’m dropping $2k grocery bills once a year. THAT’S why your argument is stupid

theyancey · July 2018

I say that NEVER is the correct answer.

AlexanderDeLarge · July 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

YOU GET ALL OF THAT MONEY YOU SPEND BACK IN CROWNS.

You don’t HAVE an argument. So what you bought the DLC knowing you could get free access? every new one that comes out you get access to as well.

You get double bank and house space. You get exp and inspiration bonuses. You get to circumvent the MMO staple inventory management. ALL THIS AT THE SAME PRICE AS BUYING 1500 CROWNS A MONTH

Learn how to save money! Cumulatively I spend $1000s on food, that doesn’t mean I’m dropping $2k grocery bills once a year. THAT’S why your argument is stupid

You're telling me to learn to save money but I am saving money... By buying 21,000 crowns for $100 during sales instead of getting 10-12,000 crowns for the same amount. Your argument is stupid because you're arguing against yourself.

You're not accounting for sales. You're not accounting for the fact that ESO+ was implemented many years into its lifespan and you're not accounting for the fact that people can spend hundreds of dollars on their account over the years and get an experience that resembles a bad free2play game more than what you'd expect for that kind of money being spent.

As I pointed out in this thread, ESO's business model is worse than many free2play games and isn't remotely competitive with their competition https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425672/elder-scrolls-onlines-business-model-sucks-compared-to-guild-wars-2-the-competition

Rudal · July 2018

As you can see from this thread https://main-reason-you-sub-for-eso people are mainly pay for ESO+ because of craft Bag, so - no.

Girl_Number8 · July 2018

The craft bag will always be part of their sub plan~ They gave chests for people to buy for extra storage, I think that was their answer to this question~

Runs · July 2018

Never. I'm sure it's probably already been said, but the Crafting Bag is ZOS's cash cow. In a virtual world of hoarders many who have used it now wont play the game without it, ever.

Salvas_Aren · July 2018

Find arguments why the crafting bag should be free for vampires. Then the whole topic gets feces-stormed out of nowhere and eventually closed.

Valrien · July 2018

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

When you can purchase that furnishing without an active ESO+ subscription, then there will be room for debate.

I can purchase it while subbed and keep it after, so why can't we purchase the craft bag itself while subbed and keep it after?

You asked for this post.

You can. Your craft bag can be withdrawn from after you lose your sub, much like how the guild bank becomes withdraw only when you go below 10 members

You asked for this response

AlexanderDeLarge · July 2018

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

The craft bag will always be part of their sub plan~ They gave chests for people to buy for extra storage, I think that was their answer to this question~

In order for a new player to get those chests, that's $80 in crowns (11,000). A veteran player might be able to get them through writs but that's assuming they've struggled through inventory management long enough (or paid up even more) to the point where they can get crafting writs done for that crafting type or grinded their a** off in telvar which would be even more miserable given Cyrodiil's stability issues.

So just so we're clear for a new player...
Elder Scrolls Online collection $79.99
Storage chests in home $79.99 in crowns
4x dungeon packs as of next week roughly $45 in crowns
The cheapest home large enough to store that many chests $30 in crowns
Possibly a warden account upgrade $15 in crowns
Possibly a play any faction upgrade minimum purchase $25 in crowns
Possibly an Imperial Edition upgrade because Imperial still isn't free minimum purchase $25 in crowns

Total: $300 for an optimal account with the necessary upgrades for an Imperial Warden/Altmer on Ebonheart that has all the content owned to date and enough storage to comfortably play without ESO+

radiostar · July 2018

That might be a good idea. If you buy the year's Chapter, you get the craft bag until the next Chapter comes out.

Krayl · July 2018

I wonder how many more game companies will have to go out of business or how many more WoW-clones by companies who can only afford to play it safe we will see before the cheapskates of the gaming world realize that you get what you pay for.

Really if you're complaining about 15 dollars a month for hours and hours and hours of entertainment, the prob is most definitely you and not the company wanting to give away it's product for free.

Then again the people who complain about fees, crowns, and wow clones probably overlap because some people are just complainers. so.

Phreeki · July 2018

If you cannot afford the 15.00 a month sub fee perhaps you should not be home playing video games and seek gainful employment.

Also OP your punctuation and use of text slang is horrible and very hard to read.

radiostar · July 2018

It might be that crafters will start thinking they're being used moreso to prop up the game and demand something. Or realize the crafted gear is too far below dropped gear even with jewels crafting and demand something. Or get tired of having to repair their gear without a crafting alternative and demand something. Or wonder why they have all this crafting knowledge and can't pass it on by writing books and demand something. Or think about why they can't make up new sets with the line item bonuses they already learned from the craft workshops in the world and demand something.

But likely at the very end of the game's life, as has been said.

MerlinPendragon · July 2018

The craft bag should be subscription only.

Let the moths out of your wallet!

max_only · July 2018

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

The craft bag will always be part of their sub plan~ They gave chests for people to buy for extra storage, I think that was their answer to this question~

In order for a new player to get those chests, that's $80 in crowns (11,000). A veteran player might be able to get them through writs but that's assuming they've struggled through inventory management long enough (or paid up even more) to the point where they can get crafting writs done for that crafting type or grinded their a** off in telvar which would be even more miserable given Cyrodiil's stability issues.

So just so we're clear for a new player...
Elder Scrolls Online collection $79.99
Storage chests in home $79.99 in crowns
4x dungeon packs as of next week roughly $45 in crowns
The cheapest home large enough to store that many chests $30 in crowns
Possibly a warden account upgrade $15 in crowns
Possibly a play any faction upgrade minimum purchase $25 in crowns
Possibly an Imperial Edition upgrade because Imperial still isn't free minimum purchase $25 in crowns

Total: $300 for an optimal account with the necessary upgrades for an Imperial Warden/Altmer on Ebonheart that has all the content owned to date and enough storage to comfortably play without ESO+

$300 is that all? Sorry that’s not impressive. If Zos paid their hamsters $10 an hour that’s not even 1 work week.

I agree that bosses/shareholders/ceos are most likely overpaid but you couldn’t run a forum let alone an entire game if every customer did a measly $300 one time payment.

Hey but that new Star Wars Battlefront though, seems legit.

Or that WoW, last time I checked I had to pay a sub, and buy each dlc separately from the sun AND there wasn’t a craft bag. They could have changed though.

DanteYoda · August 2018

White wabbit wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Its weird i didn't get ESO+ for a craft bag at all.. Extra bank space and DLC sure, free dyes, this obsession over a craft bag is not the only reason i get ESO+...

If they made it free i'd still get ESO+ for heaps of other reasons..

Dyes I don't really care about the dlc is going down hill if you ask me, the bank space I'll give you but the craft bag is the biggest reason I sub

There was a heap of other reasons too read the ESO+ part in the Crown store the craft bag is only on aspect..