ImmortalCX wrote: »

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

At CP300, you should be able to pull higher DPS on a target dummy than 20k. It seems to me like there may be issues with your rotation, as that was what always held back my numbers, personally. If you could post a video of your parse, or a screenshot of the combat metrics summary, that would be helpful in determining what the DPS deficit is being caused by.

At any rate, it isn't really possible to be "over-geared" for content, since all content scales. It is possible to be under-geared, if you don't know how to build your character, or choose sets at random.

I was pretty clear, i wasn't potting, nor do i have caltrops. I also run flurry instead of surprise attack because i like the constant healing for pugs.

Based on DPS %s compared to other players, I am definitely at least on the high side of average.

Sure I could pull more with caltrops and pots, but the content doesn't demand it.

I'm not complaining about being underpowered, but about the content being so easy that the presence of high CP players allows them to abuse the mechanics. Its just not fun.

I can't for one second honestly believe that you don't see the link between what you are saying and the problem you are having.

Your original post complains about how you are burning out on the game because you don't feel useful when only doing 30% of the group's DPS. But then you go on in the comments to say that you don't run pots because you don't need to with other cp750 players in the group, because they are too overpowered. You are purposefully giving a hand up to these players who you are frustrated with because they are doing "better" than you.

Through your choice to not utilize tools available to you, you intentionally do your own performance a disservice. Why give yourself a handicap of "No pots allowed" because it's "too easy", then choose not to run skills that would allow you to perform your role better because you don't have enough resources (from not using said pots) and choose to instead run a gearset that is focused on giving you the resources that you could have gotten would you just have used the pots in the first place, and STILL not run those skills that you probably could afford now that you're running a regen gearset? I'm totally lost.

In the end, it seems that you are just as "overpowered" as the "bad" cp750 players who have too much damage that make you tired of the game because you feel useless.... you just choose to handicap yourself. So the issue really has nothing to do with the amount of CP you have or the type of player you have in your group, and is actually ONLY to do with your PERCEPTION of how easy content is and your PERCEPTION of how useful you are to your group.

As a cp750 player who regularly PUGs hardmode DLC dungeons, I would roll my eyes so hard they would fall out of my skull if I had a player who was purposely running without food/pots. What a disrespect to a team of 3 other people who are utilizing every tool available to them to ensure the group succeeds! If the content is "too easy" when you are purposefully not pulling your weight as a DPS I recommend trying the harder content before you make that judgement.

It might not seem like it at first glance, but Veteran content has a distinct variance in difficulty. If you have not yet, I recommend doing the first released DLC dungeons such as vet hardmode white gold tower and vet hardmode imperial city prison, then progress down the list from there in order of release. I think you will find that eventually you will find content that matches your craving for challenge while also making you feel not only necessary and useful in your capacity as a DPS, but also ignite in you a wish to better your build and your rotation in order to meet these challenges head-on.

At CP340 you have access to literally all the same gear they do. You just have to you know... complete the content to get it. I don't see them being overgeared as being the issue here. They have access to nothing that you don't/can't.

The only potential advantages they'd have over you is some meager 10% buffs from CP stars to certain things, which while nice, in no way trivializes YOU or what YOU can bring to the team.

ImmortalCX wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

At CP300, you should be able to pull higher DPS on a target dummy than 20k. It seems to me like there may be issues with your rotation, as that was what always held back my numbers, personally. If you could post a video of your parse, or a screenshot of the combat metrics summary, that would be helpful in determining what the DPS deficit is being caused by.

At any rate, it isn't really possible to be "over-geared" for content, since all content scales. It is possible to be under-geared, if you don't know how to build your character, or choose sets at random.

I was pretty clear, i wasn't potting, nor do i have caltrops. I also run flurry instead of surprise attack because i like the constant healing for pugs.

Based on DPS %s compared to other players, I am definitely at least on the high side of average.

Sure I could pull more with caltrops and pots, but the content doesn't demand it.

I'm not complaining about being underpowered, but about the content being so easy that the presence of high CP players allows them to abuse the mechanics. Its just not fun.

I can't for one second honestly believe that you don't see the link between what you are saying and the problem you are having.

Your original post complains about how you are burning out on the game because you don't feel useful when only doing 30% of the group's DPS. But then you go on in the comments to say that you don't run pots because you don't need to with other cp750 players in the group, because they are too overpowered. You are purposefully giving a hand up to these players who you are frustrated with because they are doing "better" than you.

Through your choice to not utilize tools available to you, you intentionally do your own performance a disservice. Why give yourself a handicap of "No pots allowed" because it's "too easy", then choose not to run skills that would allow you to perform your role better because you don't have enough resources (from not using said pots) and choose to instead run a gearset that is focused on giving you the resources that you could have gotten would you just have used the pots in the first place, and STILL not run those skills that you probably could afford now that you're running a regen gearset? I'm totally lost.

In the end, it seems that you are just as "overpowered" as the "bad" cp750 players who have too much damage that make you tired of the game because you feel useless.... you just choose to handicap yourself. So the issue really has nothing to do with the amount of CP you have or the type of player you have in your group, and is actually ONLY to do with your PERCEPTION of how easy content is and your PERCEPTION of how useful you are to your group.

As a cp750 player who regularly PUGs hardmode DLC dungeons, I would roll my eyes so hard they would fall out of my skull if I had a player who was purposely running without food/pots. What a disrespect to a team of 3 other people who are utilizing every tool available to them to ensure the group succeeds! If the content is "too easy" when you are purposefully not pulling your weight as a DPS I recommend trying the harder content before you make that judgement.

It might not seem like it at first glance, but Veteran content has a distinct variance in difficulty. If you have not yet, I recommend doing the first released DLC dungeons such as vet hardmode white gold tower and vet hardmode imperial city prison, then progress down the list from there in order of release. I think you will find that eventually you will find content that matches your craving for challenge while also making you feel not only necessary and useful in your capacity as a DPS, but also ignite in you a wish to better your build and your rotation in order to meet these challenges head-on.

1) I'm running content designed for 20k dps with 20K dps. The content breaks when its run by 40k dps. If ZOS could address this it would be a much better game.

2) You are way too angry and judgemental about this. I think I've made maybe ten posts here and I think this will be my last. I thought the community would be more open to the suggestion of heroic dungeons, but this notion only brought out the haters. Good luck with that.

1) Your perception tells you that the content you are running is made for 20k dps. Nowhere is it stated that in 2018 for veteran 4 player dungeon content, 20k dps is the norm and anything above that or near 40k dps breaks the game or that any player who strives for that is robbing others of their enjoyment.

2) Your perception of me tells you that I am angry and judgemental. Whether that is true or not I guess depends on many things... But i dont think i am being angry at all. I actually I am a pretty level headed person who advocates for solutions within the group finder for dungeons. Check my discussion history for posts such as "why being a cp elitist makes no sense" which touches on the communities unfair expectations in PUG groups.

The fact is you came on to the forums to discuss a problem, (forums that are filled with max level players I might add) and you started that discussion by telling us that all Max level players RUIN the content for everyone else and they should therefore be punished or otherwise restricted from enjoying content they paid for...

Did you really expect all of the max level players who you think are ruining your game to rally behind you in support?

I'm just curious, are skilled tanks and healers in BiS gear also a problem in this sense? Or are you OK with max CP BIS gear support players who don't threaten your CMX percentage?

All I read is "750 CP" here "750 CP" there. Do you really think CP is all it takes to be good?

Someone already mentioned it but I'll repeat said reply, even with a higher difficulty max players would still run the easier versions for a faster clear. Makes no sense to play the harder version when all you are concerned about is clearing your dailies.

If other max players are like me with multiple toons, a harder version isn't appealing in the least. That being said, as a max player I make it a habit to make sure I am not sprinting thru the content leaving my teammates out of the action. In fact often times I'll sit in the back and just assist when needed, but I recognize this isn't the norm.

It looks like the problem is really the way that players make others feel by ignoring them. You can't do anything about that and ZOS doesn't want to do anything to address the way players treat each other in this game, so I think I'm going to have to echo those that suggest you join a guild and only play with guildies or friends. You can pretty much assume that strangers are always going to be jerks, and if they aren't it'll be a pleasant surprise, but never, ever bank on it.

I don't think CP ruins anything in this game, just players

ImmortalCX wrote: »

I am a CP340 stamblade. I follow meta as well as I can, work on my rotation, and without pots am around 20K on a target dummy. In veteran dungeons, if I am with a similar level DPS, I am pulling 40-45% dps, more on trash. However, if I am paired with a CP750, I am pulling 30-35%, sometimes even less. I'm working on VMA and am geared for beginning trials.

I'm starting to burn out on the game and IMO, the problem with ESO "endgame" is that the vast majority of it, you experience with CP750 players who already outgear the content. Instead of having a good time and feeling like you are responsible for figuring out and surviving mechanics, the "feeling" is that you are an undesirable appendage who is just causing it to take longer than it must. Worst case scenario, you die and the CP750 players dont res you (or dont heal you) because they can roll over the content without you. (Or how about the CP750 dps who runs as tank and doesnt give a **** about your or your penetration buffs) Its not a team effort when overgeared players are involved. In fact, overgeared players allow abuse of the mechanics and a cheapening of the experience.

The problem with the game, the "doldrums", the "burnout" is that high CP players overgear the majority of content you encounter, and instead of feeling like a valued team member, instead there is this (usually) unspoken complaint that you are not good enough. I don't feel like a hero, I feel like a useless appendage.

What can ZOS do about it? 1) I'm sure they won't do anything about it unless they see a bunch of people fading out and quitting in the mid CPs. 2) Put high CP players in different undaunted pools (?) 3) Reduce pledge rewards for high CPs who outmatch the content -- give them incentives to run more advanced content (idk, maybe have heroic dungeons where mobs get an extra 4k resists or something like that.)

I think zos needs to create a mid tier campaign. 300 to 500cp

ImmortalCX wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

At CP300, you should be able to pull higher DPS on a target dummy than 20k. It seems to me like there may be issues with your rotation, as that was what always held back my numbers, personally. If you could post a video of your parse, or a screenshot of the combat metrics summary, that would be helpful in determining what the DPS deficit is being caused by.

At any rate, it isn't really possible to be "over-geared" for content, since all content scales. It is possible to be under-geared, if you don't know how to build your character, or choose sets at random.

I was pretty clear, i wasn't potting, nor do i have caltrops. I also run flurry instead of surprise attack because i like the constant healing for pugs.

Based on DPS %s compared to other players, I am definitely at least on the high side of average.

Sure I could pull more with caltrops and pots, but the content doesn't demand it.

I'm not complaining about being underpowered, but about the content being so easy that the presence of high CP players allows them to abuse the mechanics. Its just not fun.

I can't for one second honestly believe that you don't see the link between what you are saying and the problem you are having.

Your original post complains about how you are burning out on the game because you don't feel useful when only doing 30% of the group's DPS. But then you go on in the comments to say that you don't run pots because you don't need to with other cp750 players in the group, because they are too overpowered. You are purposefully giving a hand up to these players who you are frustrated with because they are doing "better" than you.

Through your choice to not utilize tools available to you, you intentionally do your own performance a disservice. Why give yourself a handicap of "No pots allowed" because it's "too easy", then choose not to run skills that would allow you to perform your role better because you don't have enough resources (from not using said pots) and choose to instead run a gearset that is focused on giving you the resources that you could have gotten would you just have used the pots in the first place, and STILL not run those skills that you probably could afford now that you're running a regen gearset? I'm totally lost.

In the end, it seems that you are just as "overpowered" as the "bad" cp750 players who have too much damage that make you tired of the game because you feel useless.... you just choose to handicap yourself. So the issue really has nothing to do with the amount of CP you have or the type of player you have in your group, and is actually ONLY to do with your PERCEPTION of how easy content is and your PERCEPTION of how useful you are to your group.

As a cp750 player who regularly PUGs hardmode DLC dungeons, I would roll my eyes so hard they would fall out of my skull if I had a player who was purposely running without food/pots. What a disrespect to a team of 3 other people who are utilizing every tool available to them to ensure the group succeeds! If the content is "too easy" when you are purposefully not pulling your weight as a DPS I recommend trying the harder content before you make that judgement.

It might not seem like it at first glance, but Veteran content has a distinct variance in difficulty. If you have not yet, I recommend doing the first released DLC dungeons such as vet hardmode white gold tower and vet hardmode imperial city prison, then progress down the list from there in order of release. I think you will find that eventually you will find content that matches your craving for challenge while also making you feel not only necessary and useful in your capacity as a DPS, but also ignite in you a wish to better your build and your rotation in order to meet these challenges head-on.

1) I'm running content designed for 20k dps with 20K dps. The content breaks when its run by 40k dps. If ZOS could address this it would be a much better game.

2) You are way too angry and judgemental about this. I think I've made maybe ten posts here and I think this will be my last. I thought the community would be more open to the suggestion of heroic dungeons, but this notion only brought out the haters. Good luck with that.

You suggestion is a good one. But in all honesty - the game already has "heroic dungeons". They are just poorly implemented and referred to as DLC dungeons.

DLC dungeons need to be put into a separate bracket so the "elites" can do those to prove how awesome they are instead of "speed running" the lower tier dungeons and taking their wrath out on newer players who might slow them down.

NupidStoob wrote: »

I don't get why people always complain about groups in dungeon finder. It's so easy to find other people to play with that are nice and not necessarily max level. Check the recruiting forums, check reddit, ask in zonechat or ask your friends for guilds. It's also nicer when you can actually communicate with them.

I so rarely ever pug that I am always baffled when I see a post like this with the "I might quit because of dungeon finder". This is an issue you can easily fix yourself.

Dungeons also are by no means endgame.

Your post assumes that players who would group up by using the zone chat or forums would be any nicer. And I rather doubt it.

"Elitism" is systematic in this game and newer players are likely to experience it in abundance no matter if they join groups through the group finder or a zone chat request. The only real solution is to do dungeons with friends who can be trusted not be complete ____s. And not everyone is so blessed to have a handful of friends always on the ready to do a dungeon with.

So I think you are making light of his concerns and shrugging it off as if its'a an easy thing to fix when in reality it's not.