Not healing the Tank or the DPS, pulling aggor and dying or just dying a lot. I am ok with lazy healers, I won't kick them, I mean I won't kick the other kind without trying to figure out why they are performing poorly but I am more inclined to teach a healer to do more than just heal.

Had a healer in a Spindlecluth 1 once that ONLY healed, I mean like no light attacks or anything other than healing. And he only healed reactively. Aka, if we were not low enough he would not heal us. But no one died so it was ok. He basically just stood there, did absolutely nothing, and when he saw that we were low on health he would spam a heal or two. But again, we never died.

I wonder, would anyone else here have kicked him for that? I didn't, but I am interested to hear if anyone else would.

Healing and minor magickasteal is all I ask...

I wouldn't kick a healer. There is no dungeon that requires healing mechanics. A healer can't cause your groupl to fail.

Lately I’m only running content with my good friends so I know exactly what I need from my healer teammate (and she does everything perfectly):
- Keep the tank alive
- Help us recover if we make a small mistake
- Help with resources + buffs (drain, orbs, shards, support sets etc.)

Of course everyone can make mistakes and we just laugh them off if they happen. Every member of the group is very good at their role and adds 110% when we do achievements.

As for pugs, which I rarely if ever do nowadays, I’m very forgiving with healers. I’m a magnb with good survivability, so I mostly expect resources+support. If overall I don’t see the healer adding anything to the dungeon, like no noticeable support and healing, not even fake dps, I consider asking them about it but unless we get stuck I don’t mind. If we do get stuck and the healer noticeably doesn’t do anything useful I MIGHT kick them. First I always explain what needs to be done and give tips, kicking would only occur if they don’t listen or act inappropriately.

i don't typically kick people from groups, the only reason I do is if they are not playing their role even when you politely explain what their role is.

in case of healer
they are a healer, and should be healing if people need it. I don't kick out "bad" players because more often then not they are people still learning the game, what their role is. ESO has a higher learning curve then most mmo due to the more open concept of tank healer dps.

Unlike in past MMO, post WoW mmo do not require grouping up till endgame. So people don't really learn their role till endgame.

MMO have 3 aspects people need to learn

1) how to play the game- controls of the game, how the world is, how the races work, how the class system works. where to buy gear.

2) how to play your role- this more group play, as in how does tank play in their group, how does healer play in the group, how does dps play. ESO handles things different. In most MMO tanks tank everything, healers mostly stand back and cure only dpsing in down time, and dps help tank weaker mobs. Which again is a learning curve. When most of the early game is solo it can be hard to really understand how your role works right away.

3) How to play content- each content in mmo tend to differ, like a world boss is not the same as public dungeon, which is not the same instance dungeon, and how eso does it, isn't necessarily how other MMO do it. So playing one content or coming from 1 mmo doesn't make you good @ eso, or all content.


For me, i am new to eso. I tried eso on and off since the morrowind chapter, This is a very different MMO experience then all my past MMO and i would quit due to being overwhelmed. I play on ps4, and do have experience with playing ff11 and ff14 on ps2, ps3, ps4 and xbox 360.

Id get anxiety on are my choices good? did a pick a good race for my class? did i pick a good class? Unlike ff11 or ff14 there is no switching classes with out starting over. Which is not something that i can do, as i'm playing with my b/f. And the games doesn't really explain much or do so with just tutorial blurbs that for me doesn't do much as i'm a "learn by doing" being hold how to play or watching a guide just don't do much.

I'm more or less here because ff14 isn't that great (for me) anymore, and eso only only other good console mmo.

Armatesz wrote: »

I've had times where I would join a vet dungeon and find out that three people kicked the healer because apparently their healer was either a low level or wasn't a healer at all. You would be surprised how many times you hear people glad they got a real healer instead of a fake. Bonus if you know the dungeon mechanics.

Recently I was tanking a vet dungeon and was really happy our Templar healer rage quit and was replaced with a Sorc healer because our DPS was crap and I figured the Sorc was really a DPS who wanted to skip the queue. It was the Engine Guardian anyway and the only time that gets hard is if we have a room full of adds or if someone keeps aggroing the boss while people are still outside the entrance (which someone kept doing in one recent pug).

I pugged FG2 normal recently on my Argonian healer, and I had the crown. I never once slacked off like I've seen some healers do: stand there and occasionally wave their arm. Was pumping them out consistently. However, there was a CP10 DD who I think didn't really have all that much of a clue about survivability... he died twice despite my efforts, and one other time on that boss who drains magicka. So, not really my fault if I couldn't keep everyone alive while having no magic, though the other two in the group didn't die once.

At the end, no one left the group immediately - I think maybe they were all finishing the quest. As we'd not seen any chests during the run I went back looking for them; while I did so I got a notification that a vote to kick me had successfully passed. So... idk if it was a protest at "letting" the CP10 guy die 2-3 times, or whether it was because for some reason they couldn't leave the group. My Argonian likes to think it was the latter.

I kick people for many reasons.

If damage dealers run a tough dungeon at 11k health. Kick.

If tank does not taunt. Kick.

If ,after a few wipes, a certain person in the group is unwilling to talk about a strategic game plan. Kick.

On tougher dungeons its very easy to pin point a weak DD. Kick.

If healer does not use atleast 2 out of the 3 skills (orbs/shards, rapid regen, ele drain). Kick

On tougher dungeons, if i find a healer refusing to help deal damage. Kick.

I'm a pure healer and I never kicked, when I go to the dungeon with a good team, they always thank me for great healing and buffs (such a nice community)

Just one time, in v Wayrest sewer 1, we have a fake tank and 2 bad dps, I desperately tried to keep them alive, but after 30 minute they can't kill the final boss and boss attack me every time.
They even don't kill the mobs first and tried to fight with boss and mobs together.
They blame me for their failure, so I left the group.

I will only vote to kick a healer if it's obvious he's actually a deeps who's way too impressed with himself to think he has to wait in queue with the rest of us. How is it obvious? Because Captain McDouchecanoe can't be bothered to even slot vigor because "that'd screw up my 55k DPS rotation, bruh!"

KICK.

Tasear wrote: »

What are your personal guildlines for healers? What crosses them? How skilled do you think the average healer is in a group? What is acceptable amount of skill in dungeons? Do you have different requirements from normal to vet?

Thanks in advance for all your guys insights.

Heal allies and buff allies and debuff bosses and spam stuff for synergies.

If healer didn't do 1 of that things - he is not good.
If he didn't do half or more of that things - reason to kick

Orcs. Because Orcs.