Magblade PVP

Tryfox95 · July 2018

Hello all I'm a newer YouTuber here to ask what y'all think about magblades in pvp check out my channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsuknmecE9cXyEj9ycE8Ofg see how mine runs and let me know what you think should I change it up? Try something different ? Let's see the answers

Jeezye · July 2018

I really like your skill setup, its been a while since I saw a melee destro magblade. Its quite uniquish, and running channeld acceleration makes it even more interesting. Big downside though is caluurions and zaan, I just can't enjoy footage of someone getting his kills only with the aid of proc sets. I see magblades need something to boost their killpressure, but caluurion and zaan is too mainstream for me. Maybe try something like BSW instead of caluurion, it has really good uptime with clench, zaan and LAs.

Tryfox95 · July 2018

I've never used BSW I will give it a look!!

ive tried taking zaans off and have done it without zaans but I feel it's just a gank build at that point, thank you for the reply !!:) normally I play solo so I just get in and get out and I'm not max CP so I miss out on some defense but definitely will give BSW A look thank you for the insight !!!:)

Vietfox · July 2018

Lol proc sets fighting for u

Tryfox95 · July 2018

Vietfox wrote: »

Lol proc sets fighting for u

I actually got on today to try a different set I kept Zaans for the pressure that a Melee magblade lacks but changed caluurians to war maiden and am giving that a try

seems to do okay just way less burst

ScruffyWhiskers · July 2018

Hey OP don't listen to these guys and feel bad or guilty about running Caluurion. Melee magblades deserve this set after a long history of neglect.

Also for the record, above the potato level, this game is way less about your skill and more about your ping. and your build but really your ping.

Also, nerf sorcs!

Lexxypwns · July 2018

There’s virtually no argument against running Zaan+Caluu on melee mageblade except some perceived moral high ground.

CavalryPK · July 2018

i am a simple magblade... I see a magblade video I click like.

lowlifer · July 2018

Nothing wrong with proc sets but as you get more cp maybe try non proc and see how you do?

Always good to challenge yourself while winning

Tryfox95 · July 2018

I love all these posts

thanks for all the insight my friends !!

The_Protagonist · July 2018

I have a suggestion for meele setup, did you think about trying Overwhelming Surge along with Zaan and Caluurion? It would make the build full glass cannon, but you would have another source of free damage.

Knootewoot · July 2018

I don't like proc sets myself. But i also know melee magblade is a difficult form of nightblade. I wish i had those sets myself but i am to lazy to do any PvE dungeons.

Tryfox95 · July 2018

The_Protagonist wrote: »

I have a suggestion for meele setup, did you think about trying Overwhelming Surge along with Zaan and Caluurion? It would make the build full glass cannon, but you would have another source of free damage.

I have considered it actually but but I can't seem to get the parts I need from the dung to even test it :O

mursie · July 2018

zaan-sload-surge with vma backbar resto. absolute domination!

you'll know it by the tears in tells you get. embrace it. what they lack in actual pvp ability, your vanquished foes will try to make up for in whisper pvp. Unfortunately for them, there is no scoreboard for that. Sitting perched on their high horse - they will alas continue to finish 2nd.

and as we all know - 2nd place is code for first LOSER!

Tryfox95 · July 2018

mursie wrote: »

zaan-sload-surge with vma backbar resto. absolute domination!

you'll know it by the tears in tells you get. embrace it. what they lack in actual pvp ability, your vanquished foes will try to make up for in whisper pvp. Unfortunately for them, there is no scoreboard for that. Sitting perched on their high horse - they will alas continue to finish 2nd.

and as we all know - 2nd place is code for first LOSER!

This was such a well thought out post

bg22 · July 2018

Best part about cloak is that you can completely avoid all the damage from Jabs, and heal while doing it, AND set yourself up for massive crit damage! Boom.

Datthaw · July 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

There’s virtually no argument against running Zaan+Caluu on melee mageblade except some perceived moral high ground.

Lol this. People like to shame and then probably turn around and use it themselves. You keep doing you.

Qbiken · July 2018

mursie wrote: »

zaan-sload-surge with vma backbar resto. absolute domination!

you'll know it by the tears in tells you get. embrace it. what they lack in actual pvp ability, your vanquished foes will try to make up for in whisper pvp. Unfortunately for them, there is no scoreboard for that. Sitting perched on their high horse - they will alas continue to finish 2nd.

and as we all know - 2nd place is code for first LOSER!

Overwhelming Surge > Sload

Overwhelming Surge:
* Has no cooldown
* Reveals enemies in stealth (assuming they´re the ones closest to you)
* Does similar (and sometimes more) damage than Sload
* Can proc the concussion status effect (8% more damage against that target)
* If you run Skoria, Overwhelming Surge can proc Skoria since it´s considered a DoT

Jeezye · July 2018

Datthaw wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

There’s virtually no argument against running Zaan+Caluu on melee mageblade except some perceived moral high ground.

Lol this. People like to shame and then probably turn around and use it themselves. You keep doing you.

There IS an argument IMO which is the high CD you get on these burst proc sets, especially zaan and caluurion. This encourages a gank playstyle with only limited time of combat, cloaking until CDs are up again, and reengaging - which I find increadibly boring.

Qbiken wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

zaan-sload-surge with vma backbar resto. absolute domination!

you'll know it by the tears in tells you get. embrace it. what they lack in actual pvp ability, your vanquished foes will try to make up for in whisper pvp. Unfortunately for them, there is no scoreboard for that. Sitting perched on their high horse - they will alas continue to finish 2nd.

and as we all know - 2nd place is code for first LOSER!

Overwhelming Surge > Sload

Overwhelming Surge:
* Has no cooldown
* Reveals enemies in stealth (assuming they´re the ones closest to you)
* Does similar (and sometimes more) damage than Sload
* Can proc the concussion status effect (8% more damage against that target)
* If you run Skoria, Overwhelming Surge can proc Skoria since it´s considered a DoT

This. I have played melee magblade for years now, and overwhelming always seems to sneak into my builds again. Its such an amazing set for the aforementioned reasons and doesn't have to be doublebared. Plus it has no CD like zaan and caluurion, and more consistent pressure.

kaithuzar · July 2018

I’m always trying to get the seemingly unobtainable “perfect balance” setup.
Great defense for taking multiple hits from multiple opponents, good sustain, & solid damage.

My builds aren’t meta or OP by any means, but they are solid & require you to get better/be better.

Understanding your role changes based on the scenario, is important. So is understanding what your burst combo is & how to get there.

For instance if I’m solo, it’s more of a gank style play. But if 2 man then I have to make sure me & my buddy are both timing attacks & keeping each other healed at critical/predictable times.

If running small man then I focus more on resto ult, sap, fear & single targeting/debuffing healers, or taking down that snipper hitting my guys for 12-20k snipes.

Since staying alive is the first part of the battle I normally run really tanky builds.
I’m always running riposte & l sometimes combo that with either impregnable or one pirate one chudan, and I kind of want to try out pariah.

I really try to run 5 light with either heavy chest & legs or heavy chest & head for maximizing armor values.

Typically im getting my damage from infused spell damage glyphs, although sometimes using 3 will power.

There are lots of little tweaks & places I’ve learned to improve my builds.

Vermintide · July 2018

As a magblade returning after roughly 3 months away from the game... When did we get this strong? I've been topping every single BG team for score/kills I'm in and I haven't even adjusted my build whatsoever since Dragon Bones.

Shackle/Riposte/Zaan, btw. I dread to think what's going to happen when I try putting War Maiden or Spinners on with it. Seems like the second set piece on 2h was a game changer after all...

Pijng · July 2018

Vermintide wrote: »

As a magblade returning after roughly 3 months away from the game... When did we get this strong? I've been topping every single BG team for score/kills I'm in and I haven't even adjusted my build whatsoever since Dragon Bones.

Shackle/Riposte/Zaan, btw. I dread to think what's going to happen when I try putting War Maiden or Spinners on with it. Seems like the second set piece on 2h was a game changer after all...

What set is on your 2h btw?

Tryfox95 · July 2018

Vermintide wrote: »

As a magblade returning after roughly 3 months away from the game... When did we get this strong? I've been topping every single BG team for score/kills I'm in and I haven't even adjusted my build whatsoever since Dragon Bones.

Shackle/Riposte/Zaan, btw. I dread to think what's going to happen when I try putting War Maiden or Spinners on with it. Seems like the second set piece on 2h was a game changer after all...

I think we have been decently strong but I feel Stam have just taken some hits where mag was nuked into the ground a while back, and of recently the balancing changes have just made it so mag is the top tier I still think Stam can dominate I think there are still some things in the game that need balanced but overall each class seems to have a chance to thrive

Feanor · July 2018

mursie wrote: »

zaan-sload-surge with vma backbar resto. absolute domination!

you'll know it by the tears in tells you get. embrace it. what they lack in actual pvp ability, your vanquished foes will try to make up for in whisper pvp. Unfortunately for them, there is no scoreboard for that. Sitting perched on their high horse - they will alas continue to finish 2nd.

and as we all know - 2nd place is code for first LOSER!

Talking about opponents who lack PvP ability but crutching on Zaan, Sload’s and Surge. The irony.

Synozeer · July 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

zaan-sload-surge with vma backbar resto. absolute domination!

you'll know it by the tears in tells you get. embrace it. what they lack in actual pvp ability, your vanquished foes will try to make up for in whisper pvp. Unfortunately for them, there is no scoreboard for that. Sitting perched on their high horse - they will alas continue to finish 2nd.

and as we all know - 2nd place is code for first LOSER!

Overwhelming Surge > Sload

Overwhelming Surge:
* Has no cooldown
* Reveals enemies in stealth (assuming they´re the ones closest to you)
* Does similar (and sometimes more) damage than Sload
* Can proc the concussion status effect (8% more damage against that target)
* If you run Skoria, Overwhelming Surge can proc Skoria since it´s considered a DoT

Both sets are good, but Sload does all this currently except proc concussion, and can damage at ranged so it generally does more damage than Overwhelming (at least it always did on my combat reports when I ran both sets). Post patch is another story though.

mursie · July 2018

Feanor wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

zaan-sload-surge with vma backbar resto. absolute domination!

you'll know it by the tears in tells you get. embrace it. what they lack in actual pvp ability, your vanquished foes will try to make up for in whisper pvp. Unfortunately for them, there is no scoreboard for that. Sitting perched on their high horse - they will alas continue to finish 2nd.

and as we all know - 2nd place is code for first LOSER!

Talking about opponents who lack PvP ability but crutching on Zaan, Sload’s and Surge. The irony.

the irony of reading a post specifically speaking to whiners ... and then commenting on it... by whining. the irony indeed

amir412 · July 2018

You want my opinion?
Learn how to actually play instead getting carried so hard by 2 proc sets.

Vermintide · July 2018

Pijng wrote: »

What set is on your 2h btw?

Shacklebreaker, but it wouldn't make a difference.

I meant the way that it used to only count as 1 set piece, forcing you to be carefully choose which set was active on which bar. It used to be the only thing that stopped me using a monster set, but now, there's no reason not to.

(Previously I had shackle/riposte active on both bars and 1 piece domi for extra stam and mag. Still works well and you get a free piece to play with- I'll go back to investigate this avenue more if the cheap kills get too boring

)

Lexxypwns · July 2018

Jeezye wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

There’s virtually no argument against running Zaan+Caluu on melee mageblade except some perceived moral high ground.

Lol this. People like to shame and then probably turn around and use it themselves. You keep doing you.

There IS an argument IMO which is the high CD you get on these burst proc sets, especially zaan and caluurion. This encourages a gank playstyle with only limited time of combat, cloaking until CDs are up again, and reengaging - which I find increadibly boring.

Qbiken wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

zaan-sload-surge with vma backbar resto. absolute domination!

you'll know it by the tears in tells you get. embrace it. what they lack in actual pvp ability, your vanquished foes will try to make up for in whisper pvp. Unfortunately for them, there is no scoreboard for that. Sitting perched on their high horse - they will alas continue to finish 2nd.

and as we all know - 2nd place is code for first LOSER!

Overwhelming Surge > Sload

Overwhelming Surge:
* Has no cooldown
* Reveals enemies in stealth (assuming they´re the ones closest to you)
* Does similar (and sometimes more) damage than Sload
* Can proc the concussion status effect (8% more damage against that target)
* If you run Skoria, Overwhelming Surge can proc Skoria since it´s considered a DoT

This. I have played melee magblade for years now, and overwhelming always seems to sneak into my builds again. Its such an amazing set for the aforementioned reasons and doesn't have to be doublebared. Plus it has no CD like zaan and caluurion, and more consistent pressure.

Melee mageblade is best suited to a kite then burst playstyle. So building to make that more effective is vastly superior to trying to supplement some pressure that won’t be meaningful while you’re kiting waiting for ult/will proc is not efficient.

It’s far, far, more efficient and effective to build your burst to a wtf level since melee mageblade is already all about landing fat burst combos on opponents you’ve strung out. At best a traditional damage set is going to add some mostly useless damage during your kite/defensive windows and then give you far less burst. Sload/Surge aren’t really any better because they increase your TTK significantly and you don’t have enough DoTs to proc Skoria, plus it’s harder to time with your burst combo.

Again, there 0 argument against these sets on a MELEE mageblade, even your attempt at argument is just filled with bias and no consideration for the kit that this spec has or how it already plays.

Edit: Surge is absolutely not stronger than sload.

WreckfulAbandon · July 2018

I love how the PvP community for the most part sleeps on how OP strong mageblade is.

I love it because there are only a handful of "nightmare blades" as I call them. Also, my own mNB is pretty well insulated from nerfs

Sure cripple might be getting a duration reduction, funnel got a cost increase, and random nerfs do happen. But as long as everyone sleeps on mNB everyone will continue to be putty in a good mNB's hands. Their only counters are Mark and reflect, and they're pretty hard counters. But mNB has the tools to deal with them. Certainly in 1v1.

Lol @ Hurricane being a counter, I'm super rusty on mNB and I play with my stamsorc food before I eat it. Tanky DK? Eat them up too. Any warden? Yummy. Don't even get me started on mSorc vs mNB. No one counters mNB in 1v1. I literally never died to a Templar 1v1 when I mained mNB (long time ago). Ever.

Honestly I would hate mNB with a burning passion if I hadn't mained it a long time ago. They are ridiculously OP strong. Good mNBs never whine about balance because they live in a glass house where that's concerned.

I hope that was instructional on what to strive for on mNB for some of you newer players. The world is your oyster.

kaithuzar · July 2018

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

I love how the PvP community for the most part sleeps on how OP strong mageblade is.

I love it because there are only a handful of "nightmare blades" as I call them. Also, my own mNB is pretty well insulated from nerfs

Sure cripple might be getting a duration reduction, funnel got a cost increase, and random nerfs do happen. But as long as everyone sleeps on mNB everyone will continue to be putty in a good mNB's hands. Their only counters are Mark and reflect, and they're pretty hard counters. But mNB has the tools to deal with them. Certainly in 1v1.

Lol @ Hurricane being a counter, I'm super rusty on mNB and I play with my stamsorc food before I eat it. Tanky DK? Eat them up too. Any warden? Yummy. Don't even get me started on mSorc vs mNB. No one counters mNB in 1v1. I literally never died to a Templar 1v1 when I mained mNB (long time ago). Ever.

Honestly I would hate mNB with a burning passion if I hadn't mained it a long time ago. They are ridiculously OP strong. Good mNBs never whine about balance because they live in a glass house where that's concerned.

I hope that was instructional on what to strive for on mNB for some of you newer players. The world is your oyster.

Tell me more about your playstyle against magdk, would really like to see you fight blabbafat (Pc na) if he still plays.

I know a few methods for fighting them but I wanna hear your method. (And for the example, it’s a double s&b dk using wings, skoria, harness)