High crit resist , high resist , high hp - wont save you

Avnr · July 2018

4k crit resist , 32k resist , 31k HP , 18k stamina... all that for nothing

https://imgur.com/YPbjUKr
that was nice 6 sec fight , in my own keep
have a lot more pics , no point to share we all know how pvp atm.

no point invest on gear , go full offense.

Brutusmax1mus · July 2018

Lol qq

Stibbons · July 2018

Yes radiant does low damage.

Vapirko · July 2018

LOS dude. Pop vigor, roll dodge, block, go around those pillars or down the stairs. Hell with 31k HP you should easily survive a jump. Also 18k Stam? How do you function like that. You took so much damage straight to the face.

Kikke · July 2018

I smell a zergbad xD

Avnr · July 2018

https://imgur.com/a/UF3Wx26

Overload

zaan anyone?

CatchMeTrolling · July 2018

Of course if you don’t know what you’re doing, you could have that but a glass cannon medium build will appear more tanky if they know what they’re doing.

raasdal · July 2018

Looks like you took a full soul assault in the face? Stop doing that, and it will get better

How?;

Vapirko wrote: »

LOS dude. Pop vigor, roll dodge, block, go around those pillars or down the stairs. Hell with 31k HP you should easily survive a jump. Also 18k Stam? How do you function like that. You took so much damage straight to the face.

usmguy1234 · July 2018

Avnr wrote: »

4k crit resist , 32k resist , 31k HP , 18k stamina... all that for nothing

https://imgur.com/YPbjUKr
that was nice 6 sec fight , in my own keep
have a lot more pics , no point to share we all know how pvp atm.

no point invest on gear , go full offense.

Did your L2 button break?

Avnr · July 2018

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Of course if you don’t know what you’re doing, you could have that but a glass cannon medium build will appear more tanky if they know what they’re doing.

I'm doing very well in pvp
Just those broken procs and broken ulti… ruin good fight always

Avnr · July 2018

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Of course if you don’t know what you’re doing, you could have that but a glass cannon medium build will appear more tanky if they know what they’re doing.

+

that my point to all who new to pvp
high resist + high hp want save you , better invest glass cannon build like you mentioned.

Wing · July 2018

as much as your probably going to get flamed lemme actually try to be constructive.

mitigation is key.

no not actual damage mitigation but doing things to avoid the damage before it even has to take your various stats into account.

roll dodge
line of site
being fast
bunny hoping. . . .OH WAIT THIS DOES NOTHING ITS JUST THE FORTNIGHT KIDDIES, don't do this, you will look dumb.
employing skills that eat or block attacks (not blocking)
having lots of various heals going

etc. your mitigation / crit resist / health is your last line of defense, so is blocking as it slows you to a crawl. its important to be able to do just about all of this on the same character.

and yes tanks are dead, if ZOS has not made it clear enough let me tell you, they don't want you to eat damage, they don't find it fun, they are actively trying to kill it. mass defiles, oblivion damage, siege ignoring mitigation, etc. the only tank builds that work are the troll tank builds that have like 50k+ hp and do nothing.

that said its important to have enough mitigation stat wise to eat a NB or sorc burst and recover as those don't really have counter play other then to have the stats.

Avnr · July 2018

Wing wrote: »

as much as your probably going to get flamed lemme actually try to be constructive.

mitigation is key.

no not actual damage mitigation but doing things to avoid the damage before it even has to take your various stats into account.

roll dodge
line of site
being fast
bunny hoping. . . .OH WAIT THIS DOES NOTHING ITS JUST THE FORTNIGHT KIDDIES, don't do this, you will look dumb.
employing skills that eat or block attacks (not blocking)
having lots of various heals going

etc. your mitigation / crit resist / health is your last line of defense, so is blocking as it slows you to a crawl. its important to be able to do just about all of this on the same character.

and yes tanks are dead, if ZOS has not made it clear enough let me tell you, they don't want you to eat damage, they don't find it fun, they are actively trying to kill it. mass defiles, oblivion damage, siege ignoring mitigation, etc. the only tank builds that work are the troll tank builds that have like 50k+ hp and do nothing.

that said its important to have enough mitigation stat wise to eat a NB or sorc burst and recover as those don't really have counter play other then to have the stats.

I know all about damage mitigation , from roll dodge to tree hugging

Was just sick with all procs and broken ulti out there , just wanted to live one more day

So , my point again , high stats want save you , those broken skill , procs hit hard

Emmagoldman · July 2018

You are obviously being focused by three players as well. I'm guessing that by you being on top of the wall you were unable to los or break that 17k soul assualt and they had you at execute range

Brutusmax1mus · July 2018

Avnr wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

as much as your probably going to get flamed lemme actually try to be constructive.

mitigation is key.

no not actual damage mitigation but doing things to avoid the damage before it even has to take your various stats into account.

roll dodge
line of site
being fast
bunny hoping. . . .OH WAIT THIS DOES NOTHING ITS JUST THE FORTNIGHT KIDDIES, don't do this, you will look dumb.
employing skills that eat or block attacks (not blocking)
having lots of various heals going

etc. your mitigation / crit resist / health is your last line of defense, so is blocking as it slows you to a crawl. its important to be able to do just about all of this on the same character.

and yes tanks are dead, if ZOS has not made it clear enough let me tell you, they don't want you to eat damage, they don't find it fun, they are actively trying to kill it. mass defiles, oblivion damage, siege ignoring mitigation, etc. the only tank builds that work are the troll tank builds that have like 50k+ hp and do nothing.

that said its important to have enough mitigation stat wise to eat a NB or sorc burst and recover as those don't really have counter play other then to have the stats.

I know all about damage mitigation , from roll dodge to tree hugging

Was just sick with all procs and broken ulti out there , just wanted to live one more day

So , my point again , high stats want save you , those broken skill , procs hit hard

Dude, you don't even have 1 proc on your screen, those are all skills and an ultimate. You got beat, really easily it seems, but it doesn't mean mitigation is useless. I'd love to see you on a full glass cannon build crying about that same kill screen, but instead of 6 seconds it took 4, and instead of 3 players bc it took 2.

Watch your footage and see where you could have changed your play to do better. L2p.

VaranisArano · July 2018

Nothing is going to save you in PVP. You could be the best player, and you will still die.

Nevertheless, if you are learning to PVP, those things will help you live long enough to learn something before you die.

When I was learning to PVP as a healer, I wore heavy armor Plague Doctor. I still died, but I lived long enough to develop battle field awareness and some knowledge of what worked and what didn't. Now, I PVP heal in light armor and I do even better thanks to that battlefield awareness and practice I got from paying attention while I ran around in tankier gear.

SugaComa · July 2018

No one dies after n PvP ... They are reborn to correct the last mistake they made ... For some it can be like groundhog Day

Jaraal · July 2018

Soul Assault is tooltipped at 30.5k damage. You mitigated some of it, but it's a 3.5 second channel. Don't stand still for 3.5 seconds, maybe?

Ankael07 · July 2018

Give us your class and build so we can give you a proper advice and you'll get better (unless thats not what youre here for).

I assume youre a magicka player (if not, 18k stamina is laughable). You can use damage shields and Mist Form as hard defense against Soul Assault.

Dragonknights have Dragonblood, Flame leash and Battle Roar

Nightblades have several DOT skills and can cloak after 2.5 seconds

Sorcerers have Surge and the best damage shield Hardened Ward

Templars have good self-healing

These are all defensive measures. Alternatively, you can go all out and attack your enemy instead since he's snared cant do anything else while casting Soul Assault

Volckodav · July 2018

Hoo I see some magden still out there in Cyro!!!

deep fissure debuffed you also before the assault

Minno · July 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Avnr wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

as much as your probably going to get flamed lemme actually try to be constructive.

mitigation is key.

no not actual damage mitigation but doing things to avoid the damage before it even has to take your various stats into account.

roll dodge
line of site
being fast
bunny hoping. . . .OH WAIT THIS DOES NOTHING ITS JUST THE FORTNIGHT KIDDIES, don't do this, you will look dumb.
employing skills that eat or block attacks (not blocking)
having lots of various heals going

etc. your mitigation / crit resist / health is your last line of defense, so is blocking as it slows you to a crawl. its important to be able to do just about all of this on the same character.

and yes tanks are dead, if ZOS has not made it clear enough let me tell you, they don't want you to eat damage, they don't find it fun, they are actively trying to kill it. mass defiles, oblivion damage, siege ignoring mitigation, etc. the only tank builds that work are the troll tank builds that have like 50k+ hp and do nothing.

that said its important to have enough mitigation stat wise to eat a NB or sorc burst and recover as those don't really have counter play other then to have the stats.

I know all about damage mitigation , from roll dodge to tree hugging

Was just sick with all procs and broken ulti out there , just wanted to live one more day

So , my point again , high stats want save you , those broken skill , procs hit hard

Dude, you don't even have 1 proc on your screen, those are all skills and an ultimate. You got beat, really easily it seems, but it doesn't mean mitigation is useless. I'd love to see you on a full glass cannon build crying about that same kill screen, but instead of 6 seconds it took 4, and instead of 3 players bc it took 2.

Watch your footage and see where you could have changed your play to do better. L2p.

if you use the dmg mitigation calculator in another, more famous, thread, you'll find (outside of major protection, mist form or block) all builds have similar 50-70% total mitigation once battlespirit kicks in and after armor debuffs. After that, I agree, is a L2P issue or your build doesn't have the sustain/damage to handle all that pressure.

paulsimonps · July 2018

Minno wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Avnr wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

as much as your probably going to get flamed lemme actually try to be constructive.

mitigation is key.

no not actual damage mitigation but doing things to avoid the damage before it even has to take your various stats into account.

roll dodge
line of site
being fast
bunny hoping. . . .OH WAIT THIS DOES NOTHING ITS JUST THE FORTNIGHT KIDDIES, don't do this, you will look dumb.
employing skills that eat or block attacks (not blocking)
having lots of various heals going

etc. your mitigation / crit resist / health is your last line of defense, so is blocking as it slows you to a crawl. its important to be able to do just about all of this on the same character.

and yes tanks are dead, if ZOS has not made it clear enough let me tell you, they don't want you to eat damage, they don't find it fun, they are actively trying to kill it. mass defiles, oblivion damage, siege ignoring mitigation, etc. the only tank builds that work are the troll tank builds that have like 50k+ hp and do nothing.

that said its important to have enough mitigation stat wise to eat a NB or sorc burst and recover as those don't really have counter play other then to have the stats.

I know all about damage mitigation , from roll dodge to tree hugging

Was just sick with all procs and broken ulti out there , just wanted to live one more day

So , my point again , high stats want save you , those broken skill , procs hit hard

Dude, you don't even have 1 proc on your screen, those are all skills and an ultimate. You got beat, really easily it seems, but it doesn't mean mitigation is useless. I'd love to see you on a full glass cannon build crying about that same kill screen, but instead of 6 seconds it took 4, and instead of 3 players bc it took 2.

Watch your footage and see where you could have changed your play to do better. L2p.

if you use the dmg mitigation calculator in another, more famous, thread, you'll find (outside of major protection, mist form or block) all builds have similar 50-70% total mitigation once battlespirit kicks in and after armor debuffs. After that, I agree, is a L2P issue or your build doesn't have the sustain/damage to handle all that pressure.

@Minno

Will add battlespirit next time i'm off for ya

Also yea, most people have a lot of mitigation as it is, but when outnumbered in PvP it will not matter, DoT, Ulti and ability stacking can burn you to a fine powered pile of ash in seconds. Few things can get you out of situations like that, and some of those things will weaken your offensive capabilities to the point of uselessness. Nothing can ever truly save you from everything in PvP, only delay the inevitable.

Minno · July 2018

paulsimonps wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Avnr wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

as much as your probably going to get flamed lemme actually try to be constructive.

mitigation is key.

no not actual damage mitigation but doing things to avoid the damage before it even has to take your various stats into account.

roll dodge
line of site
being fast
bunny hoping. . . .OH WAIT THIS DOES NOTHING ITS JUST THE FORTNIGHT KIDDIES, don't do this, you will look dumb.
employing skills that eat or block attacks (not blocking)
having lots of various heals going

etc. your mitigation / crit resist / health is your last line of defense, so is blocking as it slows you to a crawl. its important to be able to do just about all of this on the same character.

and yes tanks are dead, if ZOS has not made it clear enough let me tell you, they don't want you to eat damage, they don't find it fun, they are actively trying to kill it. mass defiles, oblivion damage, siege ignoring mitigation, etc. the only tank builds that work are the troll tank builds that have like 50k+ hp and do nothing.

that said its important to have enough mitigation stat wise to eat a NB or sorc burst and recover as those don't really have counter play other then to have the stats.

I know all about damage mitigation , from roll dodge to tree hugging

Was just sick with all procs and broken ulti out there , just wanted to live one more day

So , my point again , high stats want save you , those broken skill , procs hit hard

Dude, you don't even have 1 proc on your screen, those are all skills and an ultimate. You got beat, really easily it seems, but it doesn't mean mitigation is useless. I'd love to see you on a full glass cannon build crying about that same kill screen, but instead of 6 seconds it took 4, and instead of 3 players bc it took 2.

Watch your footage and see where you could have changed your play to do better. L2p.

if you use the dmg mitigation calculator in another, more famous, thread, you'll find (outside of major protection, mist form or block) all builds have similar 50-70% total mitigation once battlespirit kicks in and after armor debuffs. After that, I agree, is a L2P issue or your build doesn't have the sustain/damage to handle all that pressure.

@Minno

Will add battlespirit next time i'm off for ya Also yea, most people have a lot of mitigation as it is, but when outnumbered in PvP it will not matter, DoT, Ulti and ability stacking can burn you to a fine powered pile of ash in seconds. Few things can get you out of situations like that, and some of those things will weaken your offensive capabilities to the point of uselessness. Nothing can ever truly save you from everything in PvP, only delay the inevitable.

thanks! Don't forget to add penetration so we don't have to force newbies to do some math lol

Speed+Sustain will save your butt more; assuming you can LOS during lag lol.

jaime1982 · July 2018

There isn't even a sloads on the recap, just skills n ulti use lol.

So in all you're right. High resist and hp will not save you. QQ l2p

idk · July 2018

Avnr wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Of course if you don’t know what you’re doing, you could have that but a glass cannon medium build will appear more tanky if they know what they’re doing.

+

that my point to all who new to pvp
high resist + high hp want save you , better invest glass cannon build like you mentioned.

You are right that it will not save you if you do not try to save yourself.

To help with understanding what I mean I add this quote for reference.

Vapirko wrote: »

LOS dude. Pop vigor, roll dodge, block, go around those pillars or down the stairs. Hell with 31k HP you should easily survive a jump. Also 18k Stam? How do you function like that. You took so much damage straight to the face.

Kadoin · July 2018

Avnr wrote: »

4k crit resist , 32k resist , 31k HP , 18k stamina... all that for nothing

https://imgur.com/YPbjUKr
that was nice 6 sec fight , in my own keep
have a lot more pics , no point to share we all know how pvp atm.

no point invest on gear , go full offense.

I don't know if you know this, but the best way to avoid damage is to either not get hit, shield, or block. If you are going for a tank build, you should be able to do all three of those things. Even if not, you had better be able to do at least two or you're going to die very quickly when you encounter anyone that isn't an idiot. Stacking resist and crit resist is only good to reduce damage when you are not rolling, blocking, or shielding unless you have enough healing to flat-out tank the damage of your opponent (which will rarely ever be the case, because if you do you won't kill anyone).

For soul assault, defending against it is quite simple:

take 2 ticks -> heal -> block -> 2 ticks -> heal -> block at the end if facing templar or warden, roll if facning a NB, heal if facing a sorc since someone will probably spam execute after

Magic build?

Even easier... take 1-2 ticks (depending on your hp) -> shield -> ward -> ward -> block towards last tick -> ward OR just spam ward if you have magicka and don't care about burning it

The problem is, with only 18K stamina you aren't going to be doing any of this and are easy prey. I have no idea what you are built towards or what sets you use, but your build won't be able to handle anyone with a brain. The first thing anyone does in a battle should be figuring out whether you are stam or mag (or a hybrid) and what skills you have (if the battle takes longer). Once someone does that against you and figures out you only have 18K stam, you are done.

Amdar_Godkiller · July 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

LOS dude. Pop vigor, roll dodge, block, go around those pillars or down the stairs. Hell with 31k HP you should easily survive a jump. Also 18k Stam? How do you function like that. You took so much damage straight to the face.

With 18K stamina, he can't afford to block. Those beams ate up his stamina.

Don't block beams!

That being said, Soul Assault needs to be interruptible or dodgable. It's incredibly OP against medium armor.

Amdar_Godkiller · July 2018

simple:

take 2 ticks -> heal -> block -> 2 ticks -> heal -> block at the end if facing templar or warden, roll if facning a NB, heal if facing a sorc since someone will probably spam execute after

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Amdar_Godkiller · July 2018

What's your CP distribution? 4K crit resist is too much.

3300 is all you really should shoot for, so I'm thinking that you don't have enough mitigation coming from elemental defender and thick-skinned.

Lexxypwns · July 2018

Your damage and therefore healing are low. If you get more damage by making more efficient build decisions then the amount of defense you have available becomes more meaningful.

Animus-ESO · July 2018

If you build glass cannon with out knowing what you are doing I can guarantee you will get blown up in seconds.

These "unkillable high damage builds" don't exist. People who say this stuff don't know how to play and rather then learn; blame game mechanics for their failure.

I have 10k physical resistance and 15k magic resistance on my templar and I can comfortable cut threw 3-4 average players. I'm far from unkillable. If I jumped to fight 2 even remotely competent players I'd get cut down in seconds.

Learn the mechanics. Learn yo LoS and kite. Stretch players out and pick them off 1 by one. Save your ult for players you can just out right kill. Thats how you win fights. Builds are only 60% of a character the other 40% is mechanical skill.

Watch this and notice how I use game mechanice and potions to keep my self alive while out numbered.

https://youtu.be/2AniicyEpPA