Qbiken wrote: »

I still think magicka wardens is one of the most powerful and complete healers/supports in PvP. And in PvE they´re decent with master architect + bear. But otherwise they´re not as appealing on the other parts.

I agree that magden is very good support-spec for pvp, but it doesn`t change the fact that wardens need and deserve on-demand hard-cc added to some class-ability. As now magdens are pretty much forced to use destro-reach and stamdens reverb-bash for that. I`d really like to get access to class-stun for the sake of build-diversity.

And regarding bear + master-architect/warmachine for pve, in my tests I have consistently got slightly better major slayer uptimes with my nightblades than wardens, so just another thing that nightblades do better (unless it`s L2P-warden issue in my end).

If bear is here to stay and wardens will be forced to use that for decent dps, perhaps Zos could consider slightly reducing cost of bear-ulti. As that would increase wardens-dps and if that cost-reduction would make wardens best-in-raidslot spec as source of major slayer that would make wardens more welcome to end-game-pve.

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Warden, supremely overturned in PvP and very lacking in PvE. I support a PvP nerf & PvE buff for this class big time.

Maybe Stamden, maybe healthden

No way Magden is performing well

@CurvedSwords123 I say maybe because my opinion isn't the end all be all of such a discussion.

Second blob uses a health warden

Third Cryomancer BG Warden

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@CurvedSwords123 I say maybe because my opinion isn't the end all be all of such a discussion.

Second blob uses a health warden

Third Cryomancer BG Warden

I'm not a warden build pro. All I know is that is a mag warden blob is using. And I fight Magicka wardens in BGs and Cyro. Personally I find them very annoying. They may not be as grossly overtuned as their Stam counterparts, but they are strong, they do have a versatile kit. Stamsorcs do NOT have a versatile kit, they need a buff in PvP.

Are you saying that compared to Stamsorc, Magicka Warden is stronger and therefore does not need class buffs?

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@CurvedSwords123 I say maybe because my opinion isn't the end all be all of such a discussion.

Second blob uses a health warden

Third Cryomancer BG Warden

I'm not a warden build pro. All I know is that is a mag warden blob is using. And I fight Magicka wardens in BGs and Cyro. Personally I find them very annoying. They may not be as grossly overtuned as their Stam counterparts, but they are strong, they do have a versatile kit. Stamsorcs do NOT have a versatile kit, they need a buff in PvP.

Are you saying that compared to Stamsorc, Magicka Warden is stronger and therefore does not need class buffs?

I'm saying that the Magicka warden is undeniably fine as is. If anyone has a right to be upset with their tool kit in relation to PvP, it is Stamsorcs. You realize many PvPers call the warden class p2w?

I'm just gonna let that sit there

Waffennacht wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@CurvedSwords123 I say maybe because my opinion isn't the end all be all of such a discussion.

Second blob uses a health warden

Third Cryomancer BG Warden

I'm not a warden build pro. All I know is that is a mag warden blob is using. And I fight Magicka wardens in BGs and Cyro. Personally I find them very annoying. They may not be as grossly overtuned as their Stam counterparts, but they are strong, they do have a versatile kit. Stamsorcs do NOT have a versatile kit, they need a buff in PvP.

Are you saying that compared to Stamsorc, Magicka Warden is stronger and therefore does not need class buffs?

I'm saying that the Magicka warden is undeniably fine as is. If anyone has a right to be upset with their tool kit in relation to PvP, it is Stamsorcs. You realize many PvPers call the warden class p2w?

I'm just gonna let that sit there

Feel free to do so. It's true.

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Warden, supremely overturned in PvP and very lacking in PvE. I support a PvP nerf & PvE buff for this class big time.

Maybe Stamden, maybe healthden

No way Magden is performing well

What do you mean maybe? Stamden is the most overtuned PvP class in the game. Honorable mention to magsorcs. Magdens are also in a very good spot with their heals and ice ccs. If you are having troubles building urs, google ESOblob- Abominable Sloadman.

Lmao that's not a mag warden lolololol! Someone doesn't know their classes very well

This is why when players called for a nerf to Shalk saying "It needs it", I was trying to argue that Magden wouldn't be buffed or reworked anytime soon... don't mess with the few class abilities that work right now. I'd say: "they need to buff and rework some Warden class abilities first, then nerf shalk" and that went over well. Well those players got shalk nerfed and then started to say : "Good, now ZOS will rework the class" and "Oh good, now they will buff the other skills" and I just laughed, they didn't seem to know ZOS well.

It's true Stamden is nice to play... tried it myself and I have to say it was fun. Same with a health tank Warden (which is what I made mine into) It can be pretty good. It doesn't mean that Wardens don't have class abilities that are just useless or need some slight rework to make it viable for DPS specs.

Fletcher, Arctic Blast, Crystallized Shield, Winter's Revenge, Bear Ultimate... these are all abilities that need some love, reworks and/or buffs so that Ice Mages and just Warden DPS can be a little more viable with different builds (not just one)

Hey @CurvedSwords123. It's easy to just post videos and say that Magden is OP but really those videos are old. Two are from Clockwork City, the others are from when Morrowind first dropped. A lot has changed for Wardens since then. I can find videos of when DK Vamp's were OP af and say nerf DK... it doesn't mean what I say holds any meaning.

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

it is because Warden is the most boring class in the game
their skill animations do not have nice visual

thats why i do not touch Warden

and i have 2 characters from each classes no warden at all

I don't touch them because ppl revile them and for good reason. Major debuffs, every major buff, exclusive major heroism, direct sustain through netches, tons of healing. And apparently ppl still complain.

I would advise you to actually play a Magden (not Stamden or Heathden) in the current patch before making such nonsensical remarks on the forums backed up with outdated or irrelevant sources... Magden has no on demand class cc or execute, very few damaging abilities, attacks that are highly telegraphed and avoidable, and several of its key abilities have long animations that cause them to fail when animation cancelled with even the slightest latency... While Its still quite deadly in pvp against potatoes (like all subclasses when played right), it’s downright awful against equally skilled pvp players or in a competitive pve scene

Hutch679 wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@CurvedSwords123 I say maybe because my opinion isn't the end all be all of such a discussion.

Second blob uses a health warden

Third Cryomancer BG Warden

I'm not a warden build pro. All I know is that is a mag warden blob is using. And I fight Magicka wardens in BGs and Cyro. Personally I find them very annoying. They may not be as grossly overtuned as their Stam counterparts, but they are strong, they do have a versatile kit. Stamsorcs do NOT have a versatile kit, they need a buff in PvP.

Are you saying that compared to Stamsorc, Magicka Warden is stronger and therefore does not need class buffs?

I'm saying that the Magicka warden is undeniably fine as is. If anyone has a right to be upset with their tool kit in relation to PvP, it is Stamsorcs. You realize many PvPers call the warden class p2w?

I'm just gonna let that sit there

Feel free to do so. It's true.

Hahaha! You're comedy dude! Is this a troll post? Blobeso plays a TANK warden...... a MAGIC warden doesn't have 40k health dude. Do you even play eso or are you here to troll? Tell you what, go create a mag warden and try to pvp on it lol. Then come back and report. Otherwise dont be in here talking about wardens when you can't even make the distinction between a tank spec, a stamina spec, or a magicka spec.

You lost all credibility bro. Sorry.

Warden are overpowered

OtarTheMad wrote: »

This is why when players called for a nerf to Shalk saying "It needs it", I was trying to argue that Magden wouldn't be buffed or reworked anytime soon... don't mess with the few class abilities that work right now. I'd say: "they need to buff and rework some Warden class abilities first, then nerf shalk" and that went over well. Well those players got shalk nerfed and then started to say : "Good, now ZOS will rework the class" and "Oh good, now they will buff the other skills" and I just laughed, they didn't seem to know ZOS well.

It's true Stamden is nice to play... tried it myself and I have to say it was fun. Same with a health tank Warden (which is what I made mine into) It can be pretty good. It doesn't mean that Wardens don't have class abilities that are just useless or need some slight rework to make it viable for DPS specs.

Fletcher, Arctic Blast, Crystallized Shield, Winter's Revenge, Bear Ultimate... these are all abilities that need some love, reworks and/or buffs so that Ice Mages and just Warden DPS can be a little more viable with different builds (not just one)

Hey @CurvedSwords123. It's easy to just post videos and say that Magden is OP but really those videos are old. Two are from Clockwork City, the others are from when Morrowind first dropped. A lot has changed for Wardens since then. I can find videos of when DK Vamp's were OP af and say nerf DK... it doesn't mean what I say holds any meaning.

Hey man. Sure we can chat about this.

Like I said earlier I don't play warden but I encounter them in BGs & Cyro a lot. I know they are in really high demand, just as much as templars in PvP groups.

Stam wardens are grossly overtuned in PvP and that sentiment is unimpeachable.

I am not asking for magden nerf, but I feel they are very powerful and shouldn't be buffed. What is so offensive about that?! Here is my reasoning for that.
-I know they have great healing
-Their ice ccs are very annoying
-They have that netch sustain thing
-i find mag wardens just as hard to kill as magplars
-Every major buff with exclusive major heroism
-many of the PvPers I follow call them overpowered

Am I wrong in any regard? If so please inform.

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

CurvedSwords123 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@CurvedSwords123 I say maybe because my opinion isn't the end all be all of such a discussion.

Second blob uses a health warden

Third Cryomancer BG Warden

I'm not a warden build pro. All I know is that is a mag warden blob is using. And I fight Magicka wardens in BGs and Cyro. Personally I find them very annoying. They may not be as grossly overtuned as their Stam counterparts, but they are strong, they do have a versatile kit. Stamsorcs do NOT have a versatile kit, they need a buff in PvP.

Are you saying that compared to Stamsorc, Magicka Warden is stronger and therefore does not need class buffs?

I'm saying that the Magicka warden is undeniably fine as is. If anyone has a right to be upset with their tool kit in relation to PvP, it is Stamsorcs. You realize many PvPers call the warden class p2w?

I'm just gonna let that sit there

Feel free to do so. It's true.

Hahaha! You're comedy dude! Is this a troll post? Blobeso plays a TANK warden...... a MAGIC warden doesn't have 40k health dude. Do you even play eso or are you here to troll? Tell you what, go create a mag warden and try to pvp on it lol. Then come back and report. Otherwise dont be in here talking about wardens when you can't even make the distinction between a tank spec, a stamina spec, or a magicka spec.

You lost all credibility bro. Sorry.

Warden are overpowered

OtarTheMad wrote: »

This is why when players called for a nerf to Shalk saying "It needs it", I was trying to argue that Magden wouldn't be buffed or reworked anytime soon... don't mess with the few class abilities that work right now. I'd say: "they need to buff and rework some Warden class abilities first, then nerf shalk" and that went over well. Well those players got shalk nerfed and then started to say : "Good, now ZOS will rework the class" and "Oh good, now they will buff the other skills" and I just laughed, they didn't seem to know ZOS well.

It's true Stamden is nice to play... tried it myself and I have to say it was fun. Same with a health tank Warden (which is what I made mine into) It can be pretty good. It doesn't mean that Wardens don't have class abilities that are just useless or need some slight rework to make it viable for DPS specs.

Fletcher, Arctic Blast, Crystallized Shield, Winter's Revenge, Bear Ultimate... these are all abilities that need some love, reworks and/or buffs so that Ice Mages and just Warden DPS can be a little more viable with different builds (not just one)

Hey @CurvedSwords123. It's easy to just post videos and say that Magden is OP but really those videos are old. Two are from Clockwork City, the others are from when Morrowind first dropped. A lot has changed for Wardens since then. I can find videos of when DK Vamp's were OP af and say nerf DK... it doesn't mean what I say holds any meaning.

Hey man. Sure we can chat about this.

Like I said earlier I don't play warden but I encounter them in BGs & Cyro a lot. I know they are in really high demand, just as much as templars in PvP groups.

Stam wardens are grossly overtuned in PvP and that sentiment is unimpeachable.

I am not asking for magden nerf, but I feel they are very powerful and shouldn't be buffed. What is so offensive about that?! Here is my reasoning for that.
-I know they have great healing
-Their ice ccs are very annoying
-They have that netch sustain thing
-i find mag wardens just as hard to kill as magplars
-many of the PvPers I follow call it over powered

Am I wrong in any regard? If so please inform.

You're wrong in all regards dude. You're posting information from a YEAR ago..... their healing has been nerfed 4 times.... you dont even know the difference between a tank build and a mag warden. A mag warden doesn't use ice skills... post your mag wardens build and stats that shows its overpowered and please dont post another build from some patch back in 2017.........

SilverWF wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

PC/NA warden representation on leader boards:

HRC: 15/590 (2.5%)
AA: 23/736 (3.1%)
SO: 31/764 (4%)
MoL: 12/665 (1.8%)
HoF: 12/521 (2.9%)
AS: 12/468 (2.6%)
CR: 8/358 (2.2%)
Average: 2.7%

But what about 4-man content, surely wardens are better represented there...

DSA: 8/294 (4.1%)

No other class is below 20% representation.

14 months and 6 major patches later, wardens are still a P2L class. Just making sure you're aware ZOS, because it doesn't seem you are. Thanks!

Coz Mehden is Mehden, nothing more to say about that
Absolutely bad designed class.

Totally agree. Terribly designed class in relation to PvP and PvE Dps.