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Disguising Vampirism - It's time
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Your arguement is invalid and your principle is 'people should have nice things because I say so'.
Oh please, the very fact you have to get all antsy and start with the "who made you god" hysterics tells me that a) my argument is VERY valid, and b) you have no intelligent rebuttal for it.
My principle is this: If you make an informed choice, be grown up enough to accept the consequences of doing so.[
It really is that simple.
All The Best
You don't have an argument. You just don't want other people to have fun. You're petty.Edited by MLGProPlayer on July 28, 2018 5:14PM2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Your arguement is invalid and your principle is 'people should have nice things because I say so'.
Oh please, the very fact you have to get all antsy and start with the "who made you god" hysterics tells me that a) my argument is VERY valid, and b) you have no intelligent rebuttal for it.
My principle is this: If you make an informed choice, be grown up enough to accept the consequences of doing so.[
It really is that simple.
All The Best
You don't have an argument. You just don't want other people to have fun. You're petty.
Your argument that it is required lacks a solid foundation as well as I have pointed out a few times in here.
It is not required and never has been and no raid leader worth their salt requires it.Edited by idk on July 28, 2018 5:18PM2 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427681/why-are-you-a-vampire/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416462/class-rep-vampire-feedback-thread/p1
Look at how many people use vampirism only for the passives. A hide vampirism option is needed1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS needs to either make vampirism a full skill commitment (like werewolf), or make the appearance hideable.1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Your arguement is invalid and your principle is 'people should have nice things because I say so'.
Oh please, the very fact you have to get all antsy and start with the "who made you god" hysterics tells me that a) my argument is VERY valid, and b) you have no intelligent rebuttal for it.
My principle is this: If you make an informed choice, be grown up enough to accept the consequences of doing so.[
It really is that simple.
All The Best
You don't have an argument. You just don't want other people to have fun. You're petty.
Your argument that it is required lacks a solid foundation as well as I have pointed out a few times in here.
It is not required and never has been and no raid leader worth their salt requires it.
No one will expressly require it, but you will be at a competitive disadvantage if you aren't one.
There is a reason why 99% of the endgame scene are vampires, and it's not because they like to roleplay as bloodsucking monsters.Edited by MLGProPlayer on July 28, 2018 5:28PM0 -
Thrain✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »So following that logic we need to get rid of costumes and skins. You choose to wear an ugly monster set then you should suffer the consequences and have those ugly pieces show to the rest of the world. You want people to see your characters face or tattoos don't equip armor.
IIRC Costumes and Skins have been in since day one. It makes no sense to take them out just to assuage the petulant children that don't like how their Vampire looks.
Speaking of things that have been in since day one - Ugly Vampires.
Now, if they had made Vampires uglier over the years I'd agree with you about a hide/toggle for the cosmentic effect.
But EVERY ONE who is playing a Vampire KNEW they would get ugly BEFORE they became one; so there's no justification at all for all this dolly-throwing and hair-pulling.
You made a choice, man up and accept that consequences of that choice.
It's called being a grown up, and it is a very, very valuable and essential life-lesson.
All The Best
I would really enjoy seeing Zenimax using THIS argument when they decide to remove the redistribution of skillpoints and championpoints and the reversion of skillmorphs.
Right as you said: living with decisions already made is a very, very valuable and essential life lesson.
Edited by Thrain on July 28, 2018 5:36PM6 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »ZOS needs to either make vampirism a full skill commitment (like werewolf), or make the appearance hideable.
Make it a vampire lord thing which is basicly discount sorc.
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »[
It's a glitch, and could be considered so if ZOS really wants to press the issue.
Is there any evidence at all - as in an Official ZoS post - that indicates using a costume or skin that overrides the Vamp look is an exploit?
Not that I've seen, and I read these Forums every day.
NOTE: A "glitch" is NOT the same as an "exploit" and never has been.
All The Best
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This is vague, and left intentionally so. ZOS generally likes to decide on it's own what is and isn't an exploit or a cheat. And 'taking advantage of exploits' could mean any and all glitches or any other abnormalities. Until I can see an official word from ZOS cited on the matter, I'll air on the side of caution, and act accordingly.
I'm going to leave it here as it is clear there's no real discussion or communication at all with you, and say the following:
1. We got the outfit system because people wanted customization. Hide vampirism is even older, and comes from the same vein. There is lore basis, evidence in gameplay to suggest it is possible, and so on.
2. I am willing to support this game by buying it as a paid feature.
3. Even if you disagree with making it a toggle, you have to acknowledge there is nothing stopping you from living up to your own principles. You can choose not to use it. That does not give you the right to demand others do the same, just like I dont have the right to demand you stop using 'all the best' in your posts.
dark spawn your kindve outta your mind here as the necromancer skin litterally was made by zos to hide the vamp skin. and even alcast posted about the thing months ago so clearly its not a offense >_>
Didn't know. I dont care about skins aquired from dungeon's, because I will never get them, because I refuse to put myself through hell for one skin.0 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »So following that logic we need to get rid of costumes and skins. You choose to wear an ugly monster set then you should suffer the consequences and have those ugly pieces show to the rest of the world. You want people to see your characters face or tattoos don't equip armor.
IIRC Costumes and Skins have been in since day one. It makes no sense to take them out just to assuage the petulant children that don't like how their Vampire looks.
Speaking of things that have been in since day one - Ugly Vampires.
Now, if they had made Vampires uglier over the years I'd agree with you about a hide/toggle for the cosmentic effect.
But EVERY ONE who is playing a Vampire KNEW they would get ugly BEFORE they became one; so there's no justification at all for all this dolly-throwing and hair-pulling.
You made a choice, man up and accept that consequences of that choice.
It's called being a grown up, and it is a very, very valuable and essential life-lesson.
All The Best
I would really enjoy seeing Zenimax using THIS argument when they decide to remove the redistribution of skillpoints and championpoints and the reversion of skillmorphs.
Right as you said: living with decisions already made is a very, very valuable and essential life lesson.
Good point. Wonder whether or not we should embrace the consequence of choice and remove the respec feature.0 -
Pnyx✭✭
Hear, hear! I seriously don't get the flashlight look. I can understand RP, although I don't particiapate, I can understand crazy tatoos, even though I don't wear them, but I cannot understand the glow-in-the-dark thing.0 -
Pnyx✭✭Maybe we should be questioning this whole vampirism thing. I mean, vampirism is only an excuse for some extra abilities, it has no real consequences and these days most everyone is a vampire, especially in Cyrodil. If you want access to vampire bonuses there should be a real cost to it and noit some pity-ass fire damage that is easily mitigated.
If every sorc becomes one, it becomes the norm and nothing special. I admire the people who can RP it convincingly and only for its own sake. Then I would make it my mission to hunt them to extinction in Cyrodil!
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »ZOS needs to either make vampirism a full skill commitment (like werewolf), or make the appearance hideable.
The two thoughts are not connected or related in any manner. As such it certainly is not one or the other.MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Your arguement is invalid and your principle is 'people should have nice things because I say so'.
Oh please, the very fact you have to get all antsy and start with the "who made you god" hysterics tells me that a) my argument is VERY valid, and b) you have no intelligent rebuttal for it.
My principle is this: If you make an informed choice, be grown up enough to accept the consequences of doing so.[
It really is that simple.
All The Best
You don't have an argument. You just don't want other people to have fun. You're petty.
Your argument that it is required lacks a solid foundation as well as I have pointed out a few times in here.
It is not required and never has been and no raid leader worth their salt requires it.
No one will expressly require it, but you will be at a competitive disadvantage if you aren't one.
There is a reason why 99% of the endgame scene are vampires, and it's not because they like to roleplay as bloodsucking monsters.
Again, incorrect. At least you allowed for some to not be vamps.
However, I seriously doubt you have any information to back up your 99% claims, even in the slightest. To suggest 99%, or even close, of players completing vet trials is probably extremely wrong but it is fair to give you a chance to support or correct your statement.
As someone who has cleared all vet trials, and often on the leaderboard many times over, I can attest most do not find it a need to be a vampire and I see far fewer vampires that you indicate.
Regardless, as I have stated before, most players have a lot of work to do before min/max as a vampire will make enough of a different to worry about.2 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭so many people in here that are insanely invested in not giving other people an option to have fun their way, even though IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM EVEN A LITTLE. unless schadenfreude is how they have fun, in which case... you know what you can do with yourselves.
appearance of a character =/= game balance. appearance of a character should NOT be a drawback of choosing a skill line. for vampires that drawback is vulnerability to fire. if that is not enough, make other suggestions, that do not involve appearance but rather actualy gameplay drawbacks. insisting that vampires should look ugly is 1. petty. and 2. counterproductive as guess what... people who are hiding their appearance through other means (like wearing helmets or trial skins) either already don't care, or are skipping half the outfits in crown store they could be buying... because they don't look good with vampire appearance or whatever skin.
don't change the subject with whataboutism about werewolves. werewolf balancing is a separate issue which apparently is being addressed at least in part in upcoming DLC.
if you LIKE looking ugly? more power to you, we are not asking that all vampires lose appearance of starving ghouls. we are asking for an OPTION. you can continue to look like a starving ghoul if that is your thing.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***5 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭so many people in here that are insanely invested in not giving other people an option to have fun their way, even though IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM EVEN A LITTLE. unless schadenfreude is how they have fun, in which case... you know what you can do with yourselves.
appearance of a character =/= game balance. appearance of a character should NOT be a drawback of choosing a skill line. for vampires that drawback is vulnerability to fire. if that is not enough, make other suggestions, that do not involve appearance but rather actualy gameplay drawbacks. insisting that vampires should look ugly is 1. petty. and 2. counterproductive as guess what... people who are hiding their appearance through other means (like wearing helmets or trial skins) either already don't care, or are skipping half the outfits in crown store they could be buying... because they don't look good with vampire appearance or whatever skin.
don't change the subject with whataboutism about werewolves. werewolf balancing is a separate issue which apparently is being addressed at least in part in upcoming DLC.
if you LIKE looking ugly? more power to you, we are not asking that all vampires lose appearance of starving ghouls. we are asking for an OPTION. you can continue to look like a starving ghoul if that is your thing.
its not like they are being forced to hide it, they can simply not hide it if it bothers them. we need a mortal disguise1 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416462/class-rep-vampire-feedback-thread/p1
Please let it be known on this official thread that you desire a hide vampirism skin
Also look at the poll here how many people are not vampires to be vampires, but for the passives which are to good to pass up
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427681/why-are-you-a-vampire/p1Edited by Aliyavana on July 28, 2018 6:44PM0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭so many people in here that are insanely invested in not giving other people an option to have fun their way, even though IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM EVEN A LITTLE. .
The same can be said of some of those who support OP. Some get upset because others have a differing opinion and want things to stay as they are and even yell about it.1 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭so many people in here that are insanely invested in not giving other people an option to have fun their way, even though IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM EVEN A LITTLE. .
The same can be said of some of those who support OP. Some get upset because others have a differing opinion and want things to stay as they are and even yell about it.
The problem is, you dont want there to be an option at all.
Our way can please everyone, yours cannot, you're aware of that, and you just dont care.
One way is a compromise, the other is just 'screw you'.1 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »so many people in here that are insanely invested in not giving other people an option to have fun their way, even though IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM EVEN A LITTLE. .
The same can be said of some of those who support OP. Some get upset because others have a differing opinion and want things to stay as they are and even yell about it.
The problem is, you dont want there to be an option at all.
Our way can please everyone, yours cannot, you're aware of that, and you just dont care.
One way is a compromise, the other is just 'screw you'.
THISso many people in here that are insanely invested in not giving other people an option to have fun their way, even though IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM EVEN A LITTLE. .
The same can be said of some of those who support OP. Some get upset because others have a differing opinion and want things to stay as they are and even yell about it.
if you want to look like a vampire, don't equip a skin, some of us want the option to0 -
Bruccius✭✭✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427681/why-are-you-a-vampire/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416462/class-rep-vampire-feedback-thread/p1
Look at how many people use vampirism only for the passives. A hide vampirism option is needed
Mate, you think most folk become a vampire because of the looks?
Of course not! There need to be drawbacks to being a vampire, only having positives removes any reason to even consider not becoming a vampire.
If you want to look good, then don't become a vampire, simple as that. Been that way ever since vampirism was introduced for TES players.
Be glad you're not playing Morrowind as a vampire.3 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427681/why-are-you-a-vampire/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416462/class-rep-vampire-feedback-thread/p1
Look at how many people use vampirism only for the passives. A hide vampirism option is needed
Mate, you think most folk become a vampire because of the looks?
Of course not! There need to be drawbacks to being a vampire, only having positives removes any reason to even consider not becoming a vampire.
If you want to look good, then don't become a vampire, simple as that. Been that way ever since vampirism was introduced for TES players.
Be glad you're not playing Morrowind as a vampire.
We've heard this line before, and the response is the same. There are mechanical drawbacks that nobody desputes are fairly good drawbacks. Flame is one of the most common damage types in the entire game, two classes have access to it, all classes if you include flame staff, and it's in most of the content.
That should be the drawback, not arbitary looks that were introduced when ESO's vampirism is functionally similar.2 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭so many people in here that are insanely invested in not giving other people an option to have fun their way, even though IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM EVEN A LITTLE. .
The same can be said of some of those who support OP. Some get upset because others have a differing opinion and want things to stay as they are and even yell about it.
not really. becasue guess what. other people having an option to do something - does NOT remove an option from you NOT to do it.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***1 -
TheArmadaSoul ShrivenThere are already a plethora of options to hide vampirism. Why are people threatened by the suggestion to merely add an additional option to hide it? A toggle or new skin does what harm?
The game-play drawbacks of taking more fire damage, FG ability damage and reduced health recovery remains intact.6 -
Bruccius✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427681/why-are-you-a-vampire/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416462/class-rep-vampire-feedback-thread/p1
Look at how many people use vampirism only for the passives. A hide vampirism option is needed
Mate, you think most folk become a vampire because of the looks?
Of course not! There need to be drawbacks to being a vampire, only having positives removes any reason to even consider not becoming a vampire.
If you want to look good, then don't become a vampire, simple as that. Been that way ever since vampirism was introduced for TES players.
Be glad you're not playing Morrowind as a vampire.
We've heard this line before, and the response is the same. There are mechanical drawbacks that nobody desputes are fairly good drawbacks. Flame is one of the most common damage types in the entire game, two classes have access to it, all classes if you include flame staff, and it's in most of the content.
That should be the drawback, not arbitary looks that were introduced when ESO's vampirism is functionally similar.
Lore should also not make way for gameplay purposes.
If you don't care for the franchise or its lore, then maybe ESO's not the game for you.
You want to hide vampirism? Then wear a disguise. How long until you guys are going to complain about looking like a werewolf when you're in werewolf form?2 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If there had not been a single downside to being vampire, everyone would be one. It's that simple.
Actually, even who would not be one (like me), because they hate the idea of being undead, would be forced into being vampire. "You have nothing to lose and we need top regen and DPS for our trial".Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427681/why-are-you-a-vampire/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416462/class-rep-vampire-feedback-thread/p1
Look at how many people use vampirism only for the passives. A hide vampirism option is needed
Mate, you think most folk become a vampire because of the looks?
Of course not! There need to be drawbacks to being a vampire, only having positives removes any reason to even consider not becoming a vampire.
If you want to look good, then don't become a vampire, simple as that. Been that way ever since vampirism was introduced for TES players.
Be glad you're not playing Morrowind as a vampire.
We've heard this line before, and the response is the same. There are mechanical drawbacks that nobody desputes are fairly good drawbacks. Flame is one of the most common damage types in the entire game, two classes have access to it, all classes if you include flame staff, and it's in most of the content.
That should be the drawback, not arbitary looks that were introduced when ESO's vampirism is functionally similar.
Lore should also not make way for gameplay purposes.
If you don't care for the franchise or its lore, then maybe ESO's not the game for you.
You want to hide vampirism? Then wear a disguise. How long until you guys are going to complain about looking like a werewolf when you're in werewolf form?
please stop bringing up the lore as a defence for not giving people options when
1. we have IN GAME LORE being very explicit about powerful vampires being able to hide their vampirism.
2. when we have far more lorebreaking things in game like flaming mounts, everyone and their pet guar becoming members of psyjic order, guards doing absolutely nothing to obvious vampires and werewolves when they are players, wearing what ammounts to a bikini while getting all the protections of a heavy armor
3. while suggesting that people wear a disguise, which does EXACTLY what you say is lorebreaking - hide vampirism, minus giving people an option to chose what clothes go with aforementioned disguise.
thank youdirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***2 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If there had not been a single downside to being vampire, everyone would be one. It's that simple.
Actually, even who would not be one (like me), because they hate the idea of being undead, would be forced into being vampire. "You have nothing to lose and we need top regen and DPS for our trial".
that would be a problem with vampirism not having enough GAMEPLAY drawbacks.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***0 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭please stop bringing up the lore as a defence for not giving people options when
1. we have IN GAME LORE being very explicit about powerful vampires being able to hide their vampirism.
2. when we have far more lorebreaking things in game like flaming mounts, everyone and their pet guar becoming members of psyjic order, guards doing absolutely nothing to obvious vampires and werewolves when they are players, wearing what ammounts to a bikini while getting all the protections of a heavy armor
3. while suggesting that people wear a disguise, which does EXACTLY what you say is lorebreaking - hide vampirism, minus giving people an option to chose what clothes go with aforementioned disguise.
thank you
@1: Not to mention that vampirism level 10 means you are a MASTER VAMPIRE, can't imagine a better term for a powerful vampire.
@3: Disguising vamps is so evil, but carmouflaging daggers as swords, or swords as axes is fine. Hiding an ugly helmet with another helmet is fine, but hiding an ugly face with an face is cheating, while doing so is not cheating, according to the ppl who say it's cheating, or not? No longer shure who argued what.1 -
Bruccius✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427681/why-are-you-a-vampire/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416462/class-rep-vampire-feedback-thread/p1
Look at how many people use vampirism only for the passives. A hide vampirism option is needed
Mate, you think most folk become a vampire because of the looks?
Of course not! There need to be drawbacks to being a vampire, only having positives removes any reason to even consider not becoming a vampire.
If you want to look good, then don't become a vampire, simple as that. Been that way ever since vampirism was introduced for TES players.
Be glad you're not playing Morrowind as a vampire.
We've heard this line before, and the response is the same. There are mechanical drawbacks that nobody desputes are fairly good drawbacks. Flame is one of the most common damage types in the entire game, two classes have access to it, all classes if you include flame staff, and it's in most of the content.
That should be the drawback, not arbitary looks that were introduced when ESO's vampirism is functionally similar.
Lore should also not make way for gameplay purposes.
If you don't care for the franchise or its lore, then maybe ESO's not the game for you.
You want to hide vampirism? Then wear a disguise. How long until you guys are going to complain about looking like a werewolf when you're in werewolf form?
please stop bringing up the lore as a defence for not giving people options when
1. we have IN GAME LORE being very explicit about powerful vampires being able to hide their vampirism.
2. when we have far more lorebreaking things in game like flaming mounts, everyone and their pet guar becoming members of psyjic order, guards doing absolutely nothing to obvious vampires and werewolves when they are players, wearing what ammounts to a bikini while getting all the protections of a heavy armor
3. while suggesting that people wear a disguise, which does EXACTLY what you say is lorebreaking - hide vampirism, minus giving people an option to chose what clothes go with aforementioned disguise.
thank you
1. Right... A handful of them, who can only hide it temporary... Nice try, care to go again?
2. You seem to miss something here. That something is that flaming mounts and most pets are paid for, and even then, most have a lore explanation attached to their product description. Lazy? Yes. But at least they pay to have it, it's not something they got for free. The few things that actually do break lore are quite often things you need to either work or pay for, which is vastly better to a bloody toggle.
3. Depends on the disguise. Only a handful of disguises hide vampirism properly, and that's more often than not skins.
I haven't been a fan of the franchise for this long to see its lore put to trash by MMO players who care so much for their pretty little skins. A developer needing to make money and therefore adding items which don't make a whole lot of sense while at least providing an explanation is better than this toggle you are proposing.1 -
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Look at how many people use vampirism only for the passives. A hide vampirism option is needed
Mate, you think most folk become a vampire because of the looks?
Of course not! There need to be drawbacks to being a vampire, only having positives removes any reason to even consider not becoming a vampire.
If you want to look good, then don't become a vampire, simple as that. Been that way ever since vampirism was introduced for TES players.
Be glad you're not playing Morrowind as a vampire.
We've heard this line before, and the response is the same. There are mechanical drawbacks that nobody desputes are fairly good drawbacks. Flame is one of the most common damage types in the entire game, two classes have access to it, all classes if you include flame staff, and it's in most of the content.
That should be the drawback, not arbitary looks that were introduced when ESO's vampirism is functionally similar.
Lore should also not make way for gameplay purposes.
If you don't care for the franchise or its lore, then maybe ESO's not the game for you.
You want to hide vampirism? Then wear a disguise. How long until you guys are going to complain about looking like a werewolf when you're in werewolf form?
As a lifelong elder scrolls fan, let me point out the multiple ways in which you are wrong with examples!
1. Verandis Ravenwatch, this era. Presumibly the same bloodline, allthough we dont know that, able to hide his appearence through feeding.
2. Ordo Vampyrum, Oblivion, 3rd era. Pact with Clavicus Vile, allowed them to hide in plain sight through feeding. While made specificallly for this purpose, the third example proves this is not a trait exclusive to this bloodline.
3. Clan Volkihar. 4th era. Shown to be unrecognizeable until near-starving or starved. Signs occur, not clear enough for the populace to take action.
Morrowind and Daggerfall (presumibly, I didn't actually play daggerfall as I dont want to fiddle with Dos) are the only two exceptions in the series where vampirism is unhidable and causes the population to become hostile. Verandis Ravenwatch is the clearest example this is hidable in this era which suggests the ability goes back even further.
It is possible for vampires to blend, and the ammount of paleness usually is based on bloodline, and all factors therein, including race and complexion in life, and the general air of unease is generally thought of as paranoia until further symptoms manifest themselves. This is not a Ordo Vampyrum only trait and other bloodlines which are generally less social have abilities and behavior that suits that.
Reguardless of whether or not you want to make the case that the vampirism strain shown in game is able to blend for the sake of lore or gameplay mechanics the fact remains vampirism in many different strains has a long history of infiltraiton.
So, kindly dont tell me what game is and isn't for me when I've extensively studied this. This isn't lore bowing to gameplay. This is quite the opposite. I've been playing since Oblivion, went back to play Morrowind. Dont patronize me.
Also, nobody wants to hide werewolf form. Stop being hypoerbolic.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on July 28, 2018 10:32PM3
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