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Disguising Vampirism - It's time
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White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭White wabbit wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »All contra arguments in this thread are based on "I don't want you to be happy because your happiness makes me less happy.".
Wrong.
Being a Vampire has penalties, for most Vampires in Elder Scrolls part of that is how they look.
Choose to be Vamp? Live with looking like a corpse.
I don't want to look like a corpse, so I have never turned into a Vamp.
The consequence of that choice is that I suffer an effective penalty to resource regen - my choice, you'll never hear me complain about it.
My argument is choices have consequences, stop being a snowflake and live with it.
All The Best
Seriously? Forcing players to put on shiny skins if they don't wanna look like a corpse is an appropriate penalty for you? I'd understand if hiding vampirism was prevented completely but that is obviously not intended.
Again, what exactly would the disadvantage for you personally be if the vampire look was a toggle? If there is none, your answer should be "I don't want you to be happy because your happiness makes me less happy."
There are real meaningful penalties to being a vampire. Not being able to hide is not one of them.
Because it clearly seems that this is a cosmetic issue then and should put a option to hide vamp in the crown store between 2500 - 5000 crowns that way keeps everyone happy
Possibly. Personally I don't care if they make it a toggle or not and if it's through crown store or not. But that's my whole point. It doesn't affect me so I don't care. And so should you.
Nice that you think that you can speak for people you can't say if it effects people or not ! Tbh I've wasted more time than needed on a pointless thread when there are already mechanics in the game to solve the issue
It's been asked several times how exactly it'd affect you guys but for some reason there are no answers.
Because I would know that Zos gave in to some forum users ( was going to use something harsher but it would get deleted ) that made a conscious choice to become a vampire know that it would have a negative visual effect, so if zos give into these forum users then we are on to a slippery slope of what will be next , as many have pointed out there are mechanics in the game to use .
Best idea would be to get rid of vampire and werewolf that would solve all these threads
lul okay. What a waste of time talking to you was.
Again that was your choice no one forced YOU just like no one forced YOU to look ugly , but you have a great day as I said wasted more time on a pointless thread and chatting to you
Uniformed decisions don't qualify as free choice. How could I have known you'd come up with such bs? Anyway, even though you fooled me there, I never said it wasn't my fault.
You know what Zos just give it to these entitled whinners as we will never hear the end of this .
Far bigger issue on this game than a few than a cosmetic image but hey if we get 5 minutes peace to deal with those issues it will be worth it in the end.
My final words on this as not going to spend another minute wasting time in this thread or with the yes camp.
And in life , it's is all about choices we make .And how the direction of our lives comes down to the choices we choose - Catherine Pulsifer
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anadandy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭quadraxis666 wrote: »That's the point I'm making. everyone else can hide whatever they want, and builds, that can be disguised, are also a choice
There's literally no excuse not to let vampires hide their vampirism. play as you want extends beyond skills alone.
I don't care one way or the other on vampires - I have no dog in that fight. (see what I did there) I was responding to the argument that werewolf looks don't matter because it's temporary.0 -
Vulsahdaal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Its my own opinion that you vamps are going about this all wrong.
You most likely are causing some to resist your requests because some of you make it seem like you are asking to look normal and retain your passives, a sort of 'best of both worlds' situation.
Which is great of course, but not very fair now is it?
As youre aware, us wolfies can disguise ourselves very well amongst the general public. Which I assume is your goal as well? But the issue is, we dont get our passives unless in wolf form.
If you truly want to be like us wolfies, and be able to hide your umm.. 'blessing' while out and about, what you should be requesting is for vamp form to be an ultimate. A few of your own have actually suggested such, though in the form of a 'toggle' switch. Your ultimate can be the toggle, just as it is with werewolf. And of course, as with the wolfies, your passives will only be active when in form.
This seems like a fair compromise for all, except maybe to those who wish to look like a vampire all the time. Perhaps a skin could be supplied to them to achieve this.
Anyway, I think it would be pretty cool to be in a pvp or dueling situation with another player, when suddenly at some point in the battle he unexpectedly 'vamps out' on you. Talk about a cool 'oh ****' moment
This said, the only thing I will agree with vamps about, is I too dont get why their skin markings and tattoos dont show properly. This to me makes little sense, and I wouldnt mind seeing this corrected.
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Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Depends on the strain of Vampirism. Skyrim vampires are only weakened in sunlight, for example.Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Aren't vampires supposed to die in sunlight?
That's already a huge advantage in ESO.
this is tamriel, multiple strains of vampirism exist in it and the strain we are in eso can survive in sunlight
Exactly, and the strain of a player character just hapens to be that of an ugly, but sun resistant strain. Next...Edited by Kelces on July 27, 2018 12:35PMYou reveal yourself best in how you play.
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Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Aren't vampires supposed to die in sunlight?
That's already a huge advantage in ESO.
this is tamriel, multiple strains of vampirism exist in it and the strain we are in eso can survive in sunlight
You vamps keep referring lore that vamps can disguise themselves. Well the lore also says vampire dies in sunlight. ESO already plays nice and let you live in day light but no you want everything nice plus the power without any drawbacks. That seems greedy to me.
Dont quote lore when you fail to state that there is different strains of vamprism
Let me spelll it out for you. ESO created strains to specifically let you live in daylight.
Let me spell it out for you. Reference Oblivion and Skyrim and you will see that two very different kinds of vampirism exist in the world of the Elder Scrolls (Skyrim vampires did not take damage in the sunlight, by the way). ESO did not create anything that had not already been created before as it pertains to how vampirism in Tamriel works. Why lie about something that's so easy to disprove? It's a pretty braindead arguing tactic.
Edit: Also amazingly ironic that you misspelled the word "spell"
Last I heard ESO is a separate game development. The decision is theirs. I stand by what I said.
Personal attack? "Look in the mirror, vampire, do you hate what you see?" LOL
If pointing out spelling errors is a personal attack, you must have felt pretty victimized in grade school.
Anyway, nice attempted diversion from the fact that you still don't have a counter argument. Separate development teams - yes. Separate lore? No. They draw from the same lore because the games all take place in a connected universe. Feel free to stand by the factual inaccuracy of what you said, I can't stop you there. But anyone with half a brain knows you're wrong.
(p.s. vampires don't have reflections sooo
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Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Aren't vampires supposed to die in sunlight?
That's already a huge advantage in ESO.
this is tamriel, multiple strains of vampirism exist in it and the strain we are in eso can survive in sunlight
You vamps keep referring lore that vamps can disguise themselves. Well the lore also says vampire dies in sunlight. ESO already plays nice and let you live in day light but no you want everything nice plus the power without any drawbacks. That seems greedy to me.
Dont quote lore when you fail to state that there is different strains of vamprism
Let me spelll it out for you. ESO created strains to specifically let you live in daylight.
Let me spell it out for you. Reference Oblivion and Skyrim and you will see that two very different kinds of vampirism exist in the world of the Elder Scrolls (Skyrim vampires did not take damage in the sunlight, by the way). ESO did not create anything that had not already been created before as it pertains to how vampirism in Tamriel works. Why lie about something that's so easy to disprove? It's a pretty braindead arguing tactic.
Edit: Also amazingly ironic that you misspelled the word "spell"
Last I heard ESO is a separate game development. The decision is theirs. I stand by what I said.
Personal attack? "Look in the mirror, vampire, do you hate what you see?" LOL
If pointing out spelling errors is a personal attack, you must have felt pretty victimized in grade school.
Anyway, nice attempted diversion from the fact that you still don't have a counter argument. Separate development teams - yes. Separate lore? No. They draw from the same lore because the games all take place in a connected universe. Feel free to stand by the factual inaccuracy of what you said, I can't stop you there. But anyone with half a brain knows you're wrong.
(p.s. vampires don't have reflections sooo )
Right, that's something too I remember now, good point. So quite a bunch of vanity going on for people, who can't even see themselves, right?
You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
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Jurupari - Argonian Warden
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Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭quadraxis666 wrote: »A lot of people ask for this, personally I'm just meh about it, but with the release of these monster style outfits effectively letting you wear one monster set while looking like you have a different one on, zos is rapidly running out of excuses to not allow vampires to hide their veiny grossness.
Meh they should make it like vamp was in morrowind...0 -
EölMPK✭✭✭Just dont be a vampire. Cant be easier than that. Want the bonus? Accept the consequence.Eöl[MPK]
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These songs of hobbits, dwarves and men, and elves
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Eeri_Ravencaw✭✭✭Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Eeri_Ravencaw wrote: »Aren't vampires supposed to die in sunlight?
That's already a huge advantage in ESO.
this is tamriel, multiple strains of vampirism exist in it and the strain we are in eso can survive in sunlight
You vamps keep referring lore that vamps can disguise themselves. Well the lore also says vampire dies in sunlight. ESO already plays nice and let you live in day light but no you want everything nice plus the power without any drawbacks. That seems greedy to me.
Dont quote lore when you fail to state that there is different strains of vamprism
Let me spelll it out for you. ESO created strains to specifically let you live in daylight.
Let me spell it out for you. Reference Oblivion and Skyrim and you will see that two very different kinds of vampirism exist in the world of the Elder Scrolls (Skyrim vampires did not take damage in the sunlight, by the way). ESO did not create anything that had not already been created before as it pertains to how vampirism in Tamriel works. Why lie about something that's so easy to disprove? It's a pretty braindead arguing tactic.
Edit: Also amazingly ironic that you misspelled the word "spell"
Last I heard ESO is a separate game development. The decision is theirs. I stand by what I said.
Personal attack? "Look in the mirror, vampire, do you hate what you see?" LOL
eso is canon to the elder scrolls series and you just want to ignore that just to suit your arguement
If you want to draw in older games like Oblivion and Skyrim then tell me did those vampires disguise themselves?
Oblivion strain of vamparism can disguise themselves to stay hidden that's to clavicus vile. Skyrim there was a vampire that blended in nicely to the population
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Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well, looks like vampires are forced to live with the awesomeness of the necromancer skin.
Let's put it on and spill the last pint of balance.
Who ever finds the sarcasm can keep it.
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✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
There are no RP leader boards, last I checked.
There are trials leader boards though.
It seems like gameplay is important in this role playing GAME after all...
But no one forces you to compete for places on those boards.
You CHOOSE to.
And because you need that extra 10% to be able to make it with the big boys you CHOOSE to be a Vampire.
And in doing that you CHOOSE to be ugly.
You can, at any time you are fed up with looking like a corpse CHOOSE to hide with a Costume or CHOOSE to cure Vampirism.
ZoS have already given you at least two ways of not being ugly, why waste Developer resources on giving you a third so you can whine about that not being perfect as well?
All The BestThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
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Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Vampirism is a mandatory endgame buff that makes yoir character ugly.
No, it isn't.
It doesn't just happen automatically when you get to end game.
And NO ONE can force you to accept Vampirism.
You CHOOSE to.
It is NOT mandatory.MLGProPlayer wrote: »In an MMO, looking cool is half the fun. Vampirism ruins that fun.
Awwww didums, you have a CHOICE to make.
Get the edge you need at end-game, or look cool.
Life is soooooo hard, its just not fair!!!
One or the other, make a CHOICE and live with it.
All The BestEdited by Gandrhulf_Harbard on July 27, 2018 8:31PMThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
Is a dream a lie if it don't come true, or is it something worse.4 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »
There are no RP leader boards, last I checked.
There are trials leader boards though.
It seems like gameplay is important in this role playing GAME after all...
But no one forces you to compete for places on those boards.
You CHOOSE to.
And because you need that extra 10% to be able to make it with the big boys you CHOOSE to be a Vampire.
And in doing that you CHOOSE to be ugly.
You can, at any time you are fed up with looking like a corpse CHOOSE to hide with a Costume or CHOOSE to cure Vampirism.
ZoS have already given you at least two ways of not being ugly, why waste Developer resources on giving you a third so you can whine about that not being perfect as well?
All The Best
Gameplay buffs should have gameplay drawbacks.
And it would take about 5 minutes of developer time to make a "hide vampirism" token while earning ZOS endless revenue.Edited by MLGProPlayer on July 27, 2018 8:40PM0 -
Revan1664✭✭chimneyswift_ESO wrote: »Vampirism is an in game choice. Key word there, "choice." Everybody and their brother knows that vampires (in nearly all forms of media) always look pretty awful and scary. If you don't want that look in a game where they exist in the lore...there are a few options:
Choice for some, not all. The undeath passive and regen passives make them necessary on some builds. 200 regen can be a large amount of difference, and for those of us who want to max out their potential build for combat, being a vampire may be very necessary.
I never understood why people want to limit each other. i say hide vampirism, who is this really impacting? Can anyone on this entire planet honestly say that they are affected in a negative way if i hide my vampirism?
Why justify the steps to hide vampirism, but not the option to hide it??
Yeah, i think a "hide vampirism" option should be placed right below the "Hide helmet" section.1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vulsahdaal wrote: »Its my own opinion that you vamps are going about this all wrong.
You most likely are causing some to resist your requests because some of you make it seem like you are asking to look normal and retain your passives, a sort of 'best of both worlds' situation.
Which is great of course, but not very fair now is it?
As youre aware, us wolfies can disguise ourselves very well amongst the general public. Which I assume is your goal as well? But the issue is, we dont get our passives unless in wolf form.
If you truly want to be like us wolfies, and be able to hide your umm.. 'blessing' while out and about, what you should be requesting is for vamp form to be an ultimate. A few of your own have actually suggested such, though in the form of a 'toggle' switch. Your ultimate can be the toggle, just as it is with werewolf. And of course, as with the wolfies, your passives will only be active when in form.
This seems like a fair compromise for all, except maybe to those who wish to look like a vampire all the time. Perhaps a skin could be supplied to them to achieve this.
Anyway, I think it would be pretty cool to be in a pvp or dueling situation with another player, when suddenly at some point in the battle he unexpectedly 'vamps out' on you. Talk about a cool 'oh ****' moment
This said, the only thing I will agree with vamps about, is I too dont get why their skin markings and tattoos dont show properly. This to me makes little sense, and I wouldnt mind seeing this corrected.
I agree with this. Vampirism in its current state is grossly overpowered. It's just a free regen buff. There is no need to slot any skills. As such, it has become mandatory for endgame.
The choice needs to be more meaningful from a gameplay perspective so that only those that want to be vampires become vampires.Edited by MLGProPlayer on July 27, 2018 8:43PM4 -
Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Gameplay buffs should have gameplay drawbacks.
They do, that's why Vamps are ugly.
All The BestThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Gameplay buffs should have gameplay drawbacks.
They do, that's why Vamps are ugly.
All The Best
S'not a gameplay drawback. The fire damage, is a gameplay drawback.
Vampires have a consistant ability to veil themselves in almost all the ES games. Including this one. Ravenwatch is the shining example. -it's time to just do it-.1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Gameplay buffs should have gameplay drawbacks.
They do, that's why Vamps are ugly.
All The Best
Visual appearance is not part of gameplay
Try again.Edited by MLGProPlayer on July 27, 2018 8:46PM1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »adriant1978 wrote: »
Never said it did. That alone is most certainly not a justification.
Obviously Zos has not made this so for their own reasons and any game developer will not change something just because some feel a little put off.MLGProPlayer wrote: »adriant1978 wrote: »Still waiting for someone to suggest an actual reason why this would be detrimental, to the game or to their playing experience or whatever.
So far it just seems like people are anti this for the sake of being anti ...
It has already been stated there are means to hide the appearance already. I have yet to hear a justification that the currently plentiful means is not sufficient. It seems like some people are anti this for the sake of being anti.
Those are extremely limited customization options:
1. Skins still hide your character's actual appearwnce
2. Disguises hide your gear
Try again.
It seems more that you can try again. I am not the one with any issues. I not the one demanding change because I do not like the design Zos implemented.
Enjoy the game.
You're engaging in an argument about something you have no argument against.
huh? Then you clearly have no argument.
LOL. I have no issues with how things are. I think vampirism is great and I have probably been a vampire longer than most here.
We can hide vampire as it is now. It is great. Considering there are people who will never be happy regardless (forums are full of that) I see no reason for Zos to do more. If they do, high price on the crown store. P2H.
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sure, let's hide werewolves too.
Werewolves have to slot active skills to get the benefits of lycanthropy. There is a cost-benefit decision that goes into becoming a werewolf.
Vampires just get bitten and receive their regen boost. This makes it pretty much mandatory for min-maxing since it can be applied freely to any build.Edited by MLGProPlayer on July 27, 2018 8:53PM1 -
OmniDo✭✭✭✭✭
Correction: You think its ugly. I (and others) think its Glorious.MLGProPlayer wrote: »Vampirism is a mandatory endgame buff that makes yoir character ugly.
See above.MLGProPlayer wrote: »In an MMO, looking cool is half the fun. Vampirism ruins that fun.
There is a reason: Z0$ decided to make it so.MLGProPlayer wrote: »Illusion magic to hide your appearance (including vampirism) is common in TES lore. There is no reason why it shouldn't be available in this game (NPCs use it all the time).
Lets spell it out a bit more black and white, shall we?- You're not going to unsub (if you were subbed to begin with) or quit for something so trivial.
Yes, 10% regen *is* trivial. Its not required to succeed. The game was not engineered around requiring players to be vampires in order to complete content on any difficulty. - If you're not subbed anyway then Z0$ has lost nothing. If you are subbed but not going to unsub, Z0$ has no reason to care.
Edited by OmniDo on July 27, 2018 9:07PM1 - You're not going to unsub (if you were subbed to begin with) or quit for something so trivial.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
It is merely a means to try to moot those that have differing opinions. It is the case anytime someone tries to put down those with differing opinions just because they have differing opinions, such as calling them belligerent and such.Edited by idk on July 27, 2018 9:02PM1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
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Correction: You think its ugly. I (and others) think its Glorious.MLGProPlayer wrote: »Vampirism is a mandatory endgame buff that makes yoir character ugly.
See above.MLGProPlayer wrote: »In an MMO, looking cool is half the fun. Vampirism ruins that fun.
There is a reason: Z0$ decided to make it so.MLGProPlayer wrote: »Illusion magic to hide your appearance (including vampirism) is common in TES lore. There is no reason why it shouldn't be available in this game (NPCs use it all the time).
Lets spell it out a bit more black and white, shall we?- You're not going to unsub for something so trivial (and yes, 10% regen *is* trivial. Its not required to succeed. The game was not engineered around requiring players to be vampires in order to complete content on any difficulty.)
- If you're not going to unsub, Z0$ has no reason to care
Moving on...
1. Any freely available buff is mandatory for min-maxing
2. ZOS can make money by selling a "hide vampirism" token, so there is absolutely a reason to careEdited by MLGProPlayer on July 27, 2018 9:10PM0 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
It is merely a means to try to moot those that have differing opinions. It is the case anytime someone tries to put down those with differing opinions just because they have differing opinions, such as calling them belligerent and such.
I dont say people are belligerent for the sake of it, or to put down people who have that opinion. I say it because alot of the behavior I've seen in this thread (and others) by people who want vampirism to be unhidable has almost allways been predicated on 'why do you need it noob' or just plain "STFU" with no other reason given. They just seem to be looking for a fight.
You yourself go 'why do you need it there's ways to hide it allready'. Well if there's ways to hide it allready a toggle wouldn't take too much dev time and wouldn't impede those who like the look. Yet I have a feeling you'll sit here and argue that point until the stars die. Plus, the method of hiding it through a disguise is a exploit, which could get them banned. Are you trying to get people banned?
That's not me puting you down for having an alternate opinion, that is a reasonable assumption based on your behavior up until this point. Please dont play the victim, it insults both of our collective intelligence.
Personally, a toggle for vampirism would take as much time as a toggle for the option to hide other players flashy animations, and people were opposed to that too, because they like to argue. It's just a trend with this forum.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on July 27, 2018 9:18PM2 -
OmniDo✭✭✭✭✭
No, YOU think it is mandatory.MLGProPlayer wrote: »1. Any freely available buff is mandatory for min-maxing
The ability to complete the content without it falsifies this premise. Try again.
Z0$ can make money creating rainbows and unicorns (the latter they literally already did), thats irrelevant.MLGProPlayer wrote: »2. ZOS can make money by selling a "hide vampirism" token, so there is absolutely a reason to listen0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
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No, YOU think it is mandatory.MLGProPlayer wrote: »1. Any freely available buff is mandatory for min-maxing
The ability to complete the content without it falsifies this premise. Try again.
Z0$ can make money creating rainbows and unicorns (the latter they literally already did), thats irrelevant.MLGProPlayer wrote: »2. ZOS can make money by selling a "hide vampirism" token, so there is absolutely a reason to listen
1. You don't understand what min-maxing is
2. Business opportunities are worth considering because , you know, ZOS is a businessEdited by MLGProPlayer on July 27, 2018 9:18PM0
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