Get rid of Blazing Shield and replace it with literally anything

Yes Blinding flashes is needed to make Templar semi what playable.

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

+1000 bumps....#BringBackBlindingLight #MakeTemplarsGreatAgain

Yes. #MakeTemplarGreatAgain2018
I've been annoyed by the removal of Blinding Flashes since they first announced they were doing it. Almost every other class has skills that do 3 to 5 things at once. Give Templar a little love and let Blazing Shield do blinding flashes or something if you are going to keep the laser beam. At this point it would be cruel to get rid of the laser beam I imagine.

While they're at it Templar could stand to have more than 1 niche cc to knock people off the top of Keeps. I like this skill. Its fun knocking people off of keeps, but lets be realistic its not rune cage or fossilize or malefic wrea…. oh no poor nightblades lost cc too. In a game where cc is so vital you can't have a class with only one cc. (Wrecking blow to the face of the first person who tells me Eclipse is a CC. Eclipse is not a cc it is a debuff, and I wish it was more like DK wings which is vastly better).

Dymence wrote: »

Miss chance was universally removed from the game on all player skills that had it on there. So it's not coming back.

Some sort of CC upon dodge in melee range would do almost the same, so technically it would still be possible to bring this skill back.

I'm just not sure if I'd want the original skill back. It was very situational (defense against melee only) in that it granted miss chance in a 5 m radius, which can be easily circumvented, unless you rely on your templars amazing mobility to stay on top of your foes...
I'd take it over Sun Shield, yes, but that doesn't mean much. Feels like I haven't used that in years.

ak_pvp wrote: »

It was mad OP. But yeah, I think it would be good being back if put on base sun shield. However only like 15% chance. Any more and its too strong.

Duration should be 20 seconds for that to be useful.

danno8 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

It was mad OP. But yeah, I think it would be good being back if put on base sun shield. However only like 15% chance. Any more and its too strong.

It would all depend on how it might stack with Shuffle. IF it could stack, then obviously Medium Stamplar would love it!

But yah, they said it's not coming back, and I think that is probably the right choice. Random chance misses work in other mmo's but not so much in this action-combat version.

Yes, it'd be miss chance on an enemy. Or you could even say when damaging the sun shield, blind the enemy, causing 1 direct attack to miss every 3s. Something not mega OP.

Blinding Flashes was bloody overpowered as hell and should never make it back into the game.

The original ability (some don't seem to know it):



... was too strong. With everything coming in update 19, its still going to be too strong, imo.

Reducing the miss change to 15% - 5% might be the way to go, but then again... even in that form it may be too strong when used by templar tanks.

If at all, I rather see some somehow compareable/related ability integrated in the medium armor skilltree, tbh.
The reasoning for making shuffle/immovable only available for 5-piece users was to avoid overly tanky medium armor users and overly hard-to-hit heavy armor users. This was a good change overall.
Imo there is no need to bring it back for templars only... again opening the door to OP-class-skills ... followed by rounds of nerfs and more nerfs on top of that.

So, no ty... been there and in the long run its no fun.

edit: I can't and will not judge impact for light armor users, which doesn#t mean there is none. Maybe someone more experienced will say something about it, tho.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Elsterchen wrote: »

The original ability (some don't seem to know it):



... was too strong. With everything coming in update 19, its still going to be too strong, imo.

Reducing the miss change to 15% - 5% might be the way to go, but then again... even in that form it may be too strong when used by templar tanks.

If at all, I rather see some somehow compareable/related ability integrated in the medium armor skilltree, tbh.
The reasoning for making shuffle/immovable only available for 5-piece users was to avoid overly tanky medium armor users and overly hard-to-hit heavy armor users. This was a good change overall.
Imo there is no need to bring it back for templars only... again opening the door to OP-class-skills ... followed by rounds of nerfs and more nerfs on top of that.

So, no ty... been there and in the long run its no fun.

edit: I can't and will not judge impact for light armor users, which doesn#t mean there is none. Maybe someone more experienced will say something about it, tho.

I think it is pretty clear we are advocating for something that is not exactly like the original. By the way, Miss chance is a staple of Nightblade builds. You have miss chance and full on disappearance as well as attack-while-buffing armor/sr. Please don't suggest it impossible to have evasion because clearly it is not.

I do think Templar could use something along these lines though. A proper CC at the very least.

Not quite sure why you use majestic plural... but I am all with you concerning the need of a propper CC.

Dymence wrote: »

Miss chance was universally removed from the game on all player skills that had it on there. So it's not coming back.

They left it on a 5 piece set though, so it's back.

Elsterchen wrote: »

The original ability (some don't seem to know it):



... was too strong. With everything coming in update 19, its still going to be too strong, imo.

Reducing the miss change to 15% - 5% might be the way to go, but then again... even in that form it may be too strong when used by templar tanks.

If at all, I rather see some somehow compareable/related ability integrated in the medium armor skilltree, tbh.
The reasoning for making shuffle/immovable only available for 5-piece users was to avoid overly tanky medium armor users and overly hard-to-hit heavy armor users. This was a good change overall.
Imo there is no need to bring it back for templars only... again opening the door to OP-class-skills ... followed by rounds of nerfs and more nerfs on top of that.

So, no ty... been there and in the long run its no fun.

edit: I can't and will not judge impact for light armor users, which doesn#t mean there is none. Maybe someone more experienced will say something about it, tho.

well there are ways to modernize miss chance:
- only work on dots/aoes, but heavily impacted by direct dmg (opposite of how reflect works)
- 15% to match dodge chance. this way, if you want to stack both, youll only get separate defenses at cost of 2GCDs and 2 bar slots.
- or gather a bunch of defensive buffs that can help mimic miss chance (minor evasion+minor armor+minor protection together on one ability with a sustain bonus)

Personally I like option 3, especially now that we a mobile friendly armor buff where we can add evasion to restoring rune and give templars a better sustain tool on restoring aura while also adjusting eclipse/focused charge to be the AOE control it should be for tanks/PVP templars.

Reflect melee attacks like x times?

As long as the animation isn't as bright and flashy as the one in the sacrifices round of vDSA. The Templar boss in that nearly blinds me every damn time lol. And before anyone comments, its meant to make my toon temporarily blinded, not me

On a more serious note i'd like to see this restored to Templars.

Dredlord wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Miss chance was universally removed from the game on all player skills that had it on there. So it's not coming back.

Wrong, but lets skip the argument dodge and miss are only different in spelling and do exactly the same type of thing. EXACTLY the same.

I mean, dodge and miss really aren't the same thing.

Dodge only works against dodgeable skills, miss works on pretty much everything. Dodge chance is applied to the target, miss chance is applied to the caster.

They're the "same thing" in that they both cause the attack to do nothing, but they really are mechanically distinct.

Joy_Division wrote: »

You people who want to turn this into some sort of wimpy Shuffle-light skill that does not even remove snares/roots are just going to add another underwhelming templar skill to a class that quite frankly has too many of them.

Almost as if people who've played templar for a while have a sense if we ask for and get something good, or fun, or powerful, anything we have already that we like will be destroyed at the same time.

Imagine sorcs having to beg that half their class skills not suck, please. (No? Can they not suck next patch then? No, not then either I guess, maybe next year.) I actually can't even imagine that.