Disguising Vampirism - It's time

blnchk · July 2018

Luthivar wrote: »

Instead of a disguise, vampirism should be sth like werewolf skill line, without any passive benefits when in normal form, without any class or weapon skills usable when in vampire form (third skill bar). Problem solved.

Sounds interesting, too. Tying appearance to combat in some way could be key, at any rate.

geonsocal · July 2018

freespirit wrote: »

The above was a while ago.

This is more recent...… I don't feel the need to hide Vampirism

oh crap, it's late, I just finished a bowl of ice cream; and, i foolishly glanced through this thread and stared at this image a tad too long...

I'm having nightmares for sure now...

Pink_Violinz · July 2018

Hiding vampirism is lore friendly, and with the outfit station there's really no legitimate excuse against it anymore.

At least in Skyrim most characters look reasonably decent. Yes, the cheeks were more sunken, the eyes glowed, and your skin was paler. But it all fit an aesthetic and many characters actually looked good with it. In ESO you're whiter than snow, you have disgusting veins crossing your face, and your eyes are completely bloodshot. If the skin wasn't so terrible, I wouldn't care. But in its current form I just want it gone so badly.

I've been using skins to hide my vampirism for a few years now. For once, I'd like to actually view the character I spent so much time creating and playing. I need the magic regen, and I pay for it in having 0 health regen and taking more fire damage.

Chrysa1is · July 2018

Best Solution: Make a special vampire food recipe that hides your vampirism and increases stats once consumed. Obviously you would need to eat it every 2 hours.

ArchMikem · July 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

dem0n1k wrote: »

Wear a hood
Equip a skin...

no, we spend time designing our characters to look pretty,

But then you go and become a Vampire, knowing there's a visual consequence. I do though understand the desire to look exactly how you want to, but we can't have our way completely, and Vampirism is a special case. This isn't just hiding an armor piece or wearing a particularly covering Body Marking. You're supposed to be Cursed/Infected, your body reflects this infection and it's stages of severity. And honestly just be glad there isn't a stage where you actually turn into a Vampire Lord Gargoyle thing ala Skyrim or that one quest Boss in Eastmarch.

Besides if there's an exception made for Vampires, then who's to say the Werewolves won't chime in? What if they don't like looking like a giant dog on steroids but still want to use the skills?

but costumes and outfits completely hiding your gear from showing if its light medium or heavy is fine? or hiding your master axes as daggers? nope you all simply overlook that conveniently. Vampires in lore can use illusion magic to hide their vampirism. Werewolves are too into a primal rage to focus any magic to hide their lycanthropy or use magic

Okay,

Now first, remember that Magic isn't just something where a toddler can summon lightning. Maintaining an Illusion spell indefinitely would require intense concentration and Magical prowess. How are the Stamina Vampires supposed to accomplish this feat?

Also I don't see the major important of costumes hiding the weights of your armor sets. It's not like this surprises anyone since it's easy enough to tell based on the weapons used and situation you find them in. PvE Staff users wear Light, Blades wear Medium, 1H&Shield wear Heavy. In PvP the same logic applies though it's also plausible to assume all may be wearing Heavy as well.

If you mean "How is it immersive for someone to wear a bikini and skirt but secretly have heavy armor plates underneath?", then, well, you got me I don't have an excuse there.

DoonerSeraph · July 2018

I wouldn't mind, really. I like how my character look as a vampire, but I understand that some people does not. If people gets their character turned into vampires for combat advantages (Regen, mist), let combat disadvantages (fire damage, lower health regen) counterbalance it. If the combat disadvantages are not enough, these should be tweaked. IMO.

Hotdog_23 · July 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Luthivar wrote: »

It's completely lorebreaking that almost everybody in ESO is a vampire.

That's because ZOS attached a 10% resource regen boost with almost no drawbacks to vampirism. Vampirism is a part of every meta game build.

That's why I say give werewolves the same passive and give us a choice if we want to look like a vampire or not. I know the only reason I am a vampire and I have 14 of them is for the regen passive.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · July 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

no, we spend time designing our characters to look pretty,

Then don't choose to be a cadaver.

Simples.

All The Best

Robo_Hobo · July 2018

I'd buy it for 2k crowns

Morgul667 · July 2018

I m always amazed by replies on this topic

Let people enjoy their character and hide vampirism if they want

There is no harm to others

Linaleah · July 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

dem0n1k wrote: »

Wear a hood
Equip a skin...

no, we spend time designing our characters to look pretty,

But then you go and become a Vampire, knowing there's a visual consequence. I do though understand the desire to look exactly how you want to, but we can't have our way completely, and Vampirism is a special case. This isn't just hiding an armor piece or wearing a particularly covering Body Marking. You're supposed to be Cursed/Infected, your body reflects this infection and it's stages of severity. And honestly just be glad there isn't a stage where you actually turn into a Vampire Lord Gargoyle thing ala Skyrim or that one quest Boss in Eastmarch.

Besides if there's an exception made for Vampires, then who's to say the Werewolves won't chime in? What if they don't like looking like a giant dog on steroids but still want to use the skills?

but costumes and outfits completely hiding your gear from showing if its light medium or heavy is fine? or hiding your master axes as daggers? nope you all simply overlook that conveniently. Vampires in lore can use illusion magic to hide their vampirism. Werewolves are too into a primal rage to focus any magic to hide their lycanthropy or use magic

Okay,

Now first, remember that Magic isn't just something where a toddler can summon lightning. Maintaining an Illusion spell indefinitely would require intense concentration and Magical prowess. How are the Stamina Vampires supposed to accomplish this feat?

Also I don't see the major important of costumes hiding the weights of your armor sets. It's not like this surprises anyone since it's easy enough to tell based on the weapons used and situation you find them in. PvE Staff users wear Light, Blades wear Medium, 1H&Shield wear Heavy. In PvP the same logic applies though it's also plausible to assume all may be wearing Heavy as well.

If you mean "How is it immersive for someone to wear a bikini and skirt but secretly have heavy armor plates underneath?", then, well, you got me I don't have an excuse there.

and yet... stamina characters can glow with fire, or lightning, or a number of other things, when wearing skins. why is it ok and lorefriendly to wear super fancy skins... but not the one that makes your character just look like themselves?

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO · July 2018

Yes. Let us hide it. Everything else can be hidden or altered. That's really the only argument we need. If you don't think vamps should be able to hide it, then you're wrong. Simple as that.

Kuramas9tails · July 2018

I really don't see an issue to letting people hide the vampire skin anymore. I thought it was odd to let light armor wearing players look like they are wearing heavy armor gear but here we are.

nnargun · July 2018

This topic is so not worth the 3 pages of text. And definitely not the 1000 pages it has been discussed on before this thread. And guys please, don't make it look like there is an actual disadvantage in pvp since there are many ways to hide it if you really need to.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO · July 2018

nnargun wrote: »

This topic is so not worth the 3 pages of text. And definitely not the 1000 pages it has been discussed on before this thread. And guys please, don't make it look like there is an actual disadvantage in pvp since there are many ways to hide it if you really need to.

Agreed 100%. Plus, many addons will actually identify vampires for you, making whatever cosmetics are tied to vampirism completely irrelevant. This topic needs no further discussion. It's time for ZOS to make it happen already.

NordSwordnBoard · July 2018

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

This topic is so not worth the 3 pages of text. And definitely not the 1000 pages it has been discussed on before this thread. And guys please, don't make it look like there is an actual disadvantage in pvp since there are many ways to hide it if you really need to.

Agreed 100%. Plus, many addons will actually identify vampires for you, making whatever cosmetics are tied to vampirism completely irrelevant. This topic needs no further discussion. It's time for ZOS to make it happen already.

PC has Vampire Radar? What will they think of next? lol

AhPook_Is_Here · July 2018

Morgul667 wrote: »

I m always amazed by replies on this topic

Let people enjoy their character and hide vampirism if they want

There is no harm to others

I don't know, I think it's good people can still have opinions about some things in 2018, at least in video games. Opinions really don't shock me; not even ones that are against others having different opinions than whatever one clique has.

Ratzkifal · July 2018

2000 crown Serana costume that as a bonus makes you look normal (but maybe with glowing eyes?)

nnargun · July 2018

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

I m always amazed by replies on this topic

Let people enjoy their character and hide vampirism if they want

There is no harm to others

I don't know, I think it's good people can still have opinions about some things in 2018, at least in video games. Opinions really don't shock me; not even ones that are against others having different opinions than whatever one clique has.

What kind of opinion is being against something that doesn't affect you or others but only the individual who is asking for it? A stupid one.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO · July 2018

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

I m always amazed by replies on this topic

Let people enjoy their character and hide vampirism if they want

There is no harm to others

I don't know, I think it's good people can still have opinions about some things in 2018, at least in video games. Opinions really don't shock me; not even ones that are against others having different opinions than whatever one clique has.

No one is saying people aren't allowed to have opinions. It's just that a weirdly large crowd of players has a baseless opinion that flies in the face of facts and logic and pretty much only stands to dictate how others play the game (which is the "don't let vampires hide it" crowd) based on some strange moral principles, as far as I can gather (moral principles that only exist when dealing with a purely fictional entity, mind you).

The "don't let vampires hide it" crowd is the most active-aggressive group of role-players I've ever seen. And it's fine for that to be their opinion, but that opinion should not influence the gameplay experience of others, especially others who don't share that opinon (which as it turns out, is most players).

Doctordarkspawn · July 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

dem0n1k wrote: »

Wear a hood
Equip a skin...

no, we spend time designing our characters to look pretty,

But then you go and become a Vampire, knowing there's a visual consequence. I do though understand the desire to look exactly how you want to, but we can't have our way completely, and Vampirism is a special case. This isn't just hiding an armor piece or wearing a particularly covering Body Marking. You're supposed to be Cursed/Infected, your body reflects this infection and it's stages of severity. And honestly just be glad there isn't a stage where you actually turn into a Vampire Lord Gargoyle thing ala Skyrim or that one quest Boss in Eastmarch.

Besides if there's an exception made for Vampires, then who's to say the Werewolves won't chime in? What if they don't like looking like a giant dog on steroids but still want to use the skills?

...Because that's kind of the appeal and werewolf is about a visceral transformation? They are two completely different myths with their own seperate identities and this comparison does not make sense in the slightest.

For the record, I'll say what others have said. if you are against vampires hiding their skin, you are not allowed to use anything but the worst cosmetics.

huschdeguddzje · July 2018

No, nobles pale is the only real drawback vampires have, enough people are already vampires.

White wabbit · July 2018

Because it seems that it's a cosmetic issue and cosmetic things are sold in the crown store there is your answer and everyone wins , they get there hide vampire option and zos get some money to spend on the game

Ri_Khan · July 2018

All I ever hear from this argument is that you all want the benefits but don't want to suffer all the consequences. The cosmetic disfigurement is a part of the package. If it bothers you so much, don't be a vampire. Nobody's forcing you to play that role.

Kanar · July 2018

It's easy to hide vampirism: just don't become a vampire and then you won't look like a vampire.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO · July 2018

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

No, nobles pale is the only real drawback vampires have, enough people are already vampires.

First of all, saying that too many players choose vampirism shows that there is a larger balancing issue in the game.

Secondly, the added fire damage and damage from fighters guild abilities makes for some pretty extreme drawbacks for vampires in PvP. Stam characters can burn right through vampires with dawnbreaker, and magDKs can often melt vamps (especially light armor wearing vamps) with their plethora of flame abilities.

All in all, I would say that vampirism definitely needs to be looked at, and that's why there is an entire thread dedicated to discussing potential changes to the way it works. But for the most part, and just in my humble opinion, having some extra stat regen and low-health damage mitigation is a nice trade-off for taking obscene amounts of damage from fire and fighters guild abilities. The cosmetic choke-hold they put us in is uncharacteristic for this game, and not a necessary addition to the drawbacks that vampires already have to face.

vonScuzzman · July 2018

Here is what I would like to see happen.

When you become vampire or werewolf you get a permanent entry in your quickslots to transform. When you are not in form you get no benefits and look normal. When you are transformed you get the look, no hiding it; werewolves look like werewolves, vampires look like vampires. Remove all transformation timers.

You choose when you transform back.

Sophocles1 · July 2018

I figured the ‘don’t let the vampire look be hidden’ crowd was just sort of being funny, doing a shtick. I can’t imagine anybody seriously believes that There is some actual principle, ethical or otherwise, governing the question.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO · July 2018

Sophocles1 wrote: »

I figured the ‘don’t let the vampire look be hidden’ crowd was just sort of being funny, doing a shtick. I can’t imagine anybody seriously believes that There is some actual principle, ethical or otherwise, governing the question.

Then you probably haven't read enough of their posts. The opposition to allowing vampires to change their appearance is weirdly zealous about their stance, even though it doesn't affect them at all.

Salvas_Aren · July 2018

Ri_Khan wrote: »

All I ever hear from this argument is that you all want the benefits but don't want to suffer all the consequences. The cosmetic disfigurement is a part of the package. If it bothers you so much, don't be a vampire. Nobody's forcing you to play that role.

Let the consequence be that vampires look different from mortals, but not uglier than a hagraven.

I'm seriously amused that it bothers you so much that vamp players are willing to pay crowns to get better looks.

Don't forget that the werewolf lord exists as a polymorph. If Cyrodiil vampire and werewolf lord were skins I would probably buy both.

But since this such a serious issue for you vamp haters, we can still stick to the necromancer skin.