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MagSorc PvP build; since a lot of people have been asking (NOT good for new players to MagSorc)
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ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭Shackle paired with Alteration Mastery, 1 domi, 1 maw, with tri-stat food. 18K stamina and cheap dodge rolls and overall very good sustain. 3.5K+ spell damage fully buffed, 40K magicka with Tri-stat food, 42K magicka and 15K stamina with bi-stat food. And because of the added sustain of Alteration Mastery, I can run all spell damage glyphs and the Apprentice.
Hits like a truck, sustains very well. It is the build I am currently running and being able to dodge roll and CC break for cheap and on command is a life saver.
The only change I plan on making is adding the new ultimate based monster set to the build in the next patch.
Its not bad, but imo the magicka is almost to low. I have pretty much the same stats but with 10k more mag, 4k-7k less stam and 100 or less spell dmg (Running the Mage)0 -
ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭Shackle paired with Alteration Mastery, 1 domi, 1 maw, with tri-stat food. 18K stamina and cheap dodge rolls and overall very good sustain. 3.5K+ spell damage fully buffed, 40K magicka with Tri-stat food, 42K magicka and 15K stamina with bi-stat food. And because of the added sustain of Alteration Mastery, I can run all spell damage glyphs and the Apprentice.
Hits like a truck, sustains very well. It is the build I am currently running and being able to dodge roll and CC break for cheap and on command is a life saver.
The only change I plan on making is adding the new ultimate based monster set to the build in the next patch.
But it also really comes from a prefrence, i love being anywhere from 50k-52k mag fully buffed back bar and anywhere from 47k-49k Mag frontbar fully buffed and no matter what at least 3k spell dmg buffed0 -
Septimus_Magna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »On my mag sorc I run 5x necro, 5x lich (back bar), 2x shadowrend and willpower (front bar).
Infused with tri-stat glyphs on big pieces, inpen with magicka enchants on small pieces.
With tri-stat buff food I get around 23.5k health, 41k magicka (46k with shadowrend) and 16k stamina. When Lich procs magicka regen goes up to 3.3k so sustain is really good.
Shadowrend is very useful on a mag sorc, it procs on CD activating necro, deals dmg, applies minor maim and has 1pc magicka regen bonus. Its a lot better than Engine Guardian because there’s no RNG or health regen bonus involved.
EG imo would still be the better option. Procs more and gives good sustain, so you can drop lich.
I run 1449 mag recov and its rare that i ever run outta magicka AND stam, even in 1vX situations.
Fully buffed (With continuous) im able to get a 19.4k CFrag tooltip, which is almost as much as a leap, which is an ult.
Not as tanky as someone would be with shadowrend bc im missing out on the minor maim, but i def throw out way more damage.
EG is also a AMAZING LOS tool, once you learn how to use EG for LOS, itll be hard to be hit, my EG has ate up so many meteors, leaps, rune cages, CC's, frags, chains anything you name it. Its saved my a** so many times
If you can sustain with 1500 mag regen thats really impressive. For 2/3 of the fight EG will not proc magicka so sustain could be tricky for less skilled players.
Personally I like the 1800 base regen (that goes up to 3300 with lich) and 16k stam because bolt escape is very expensive to cast and break-free/dodge/block can drain stam quickly. My dmg could be higher but thats only an issue when fighting very tanky DKs or Wardens.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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OGLezard✭✭✭✭✭
✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »On my mag sorc I run 5x necro, 5x lich (back bar), 2x shadowrend and willpower (front bar).
Infused with tri-stat glyphs on big pieces, inpen with magicka enchants on small pieces.
With tri-stat buff food I get around 23.5k health, 41k magicka (46k with shadowrend) and 16k stamina. When Lich procs magicka regen goes up to 3.3k so sustain is really good.
Shadowrend is very useful on a mag sorc, it procs on CD activating necro, deals dmg, applies minor maim and has 1pc magicka regen bonus. Its a lot better than Engine Guardian because there’s no RNG or health regen bonus involved.
EG imo would still be the better option. Procs more and gives good sustain, so you can drop lich.
I run 1449 mag recov and its rare that i ever run outta magicka AND stam, even in 1vX situations.
Fully buffed (With continuous) im able to get a 19.4k CFrag tooltip, which is almost as much as a leap, which is an ult.
Not as tanky as someone would be with shadowrend bc im missing out on the minor maim, but i def throw out way more damage.
EG is also a AMAZING LOS tool, once you learn how to use EG for LOS, itll be hard to be hit, my EG has ate up so many meteors, leaps, rune cages, CC's, frags, chains anything you name it. Its saved my a** so many times
If you can sustain with 1500 mag regen thats really impressive. For 2/3 of the fight EG will not proc magicka so sustain could be tricky for less skilled players.
Personally I like the 1800 base regen (that goes up to 3300 with lich) and 16k stam because bolt escape is very expensive to cast and break-free/dodge/block can drain stam quickly. My dmg could be higher but thats only an issue when fighting very tanky DKs or Wardens.
See that's the thing that always blew my mind. I see sorcs running high regen builds and still convert stam to mag.
When I was doing high regen, I did mag to stam conversions. Full bar of stam at will in a cast? Yes please. Break free get immunity, refresh stam bar, gg.
Especially with liche back bar. Converting mag to stam will proc it for you
Edited by OGLezard on July 24, 2018 6:19PM1 -
ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »On my mag sorc I run 5x necro, 5x lich (back bar), 2x shadowrend and willpower (front bar).
Infused with tri-stat glyphs on big pieces, inpen with magicka enchants on small pieces.
With tri-stat buff food I get around 23.5k health, 41k magicka (46k with shadowrend) and 16k stamina. When Lich procs magicka regen goes up to 3.3k so sustain is really good.
Shadowrend is very useful on a mag sorc, it procs on CD activating necro, deals dmg, applies minor maim and has 1pc magicka regen bonus. Its a lot better than Engine Guardian because there’s no RNG or health regen bonus involved.
EG imo would still be the better option. Procs more and gives good sustain, so you can drop lich.
I run 1449 mag recov and its rare that i ever run outta magicka AND stam, even in 1vX situations.
Fully buffed (With continuous) im able to get a 19.4k CFrag tooltip, which is almost as much as a leap, which is an ult.
Not as tanky as someone would be with shadowrend bc im missing out on the minor maim, but i def throw out way more damage.
EG is also a AMAZING LOS tool, once you learn how to use EG for LOS, itll be hard to be hit, my EG has ate up so many meteors, leaps, rune cages, CC's, frags, chains anything you name it. Its saved my a** so many times
If you can sustain with 1500 mag regen thats really impressive. For 2/3 of the fight EG will not proc magicka so sustain could be tricky for less skilled players.
Personally I like the 1800 base regen (that goes up to 3300 with lich) and 16k stam because bolt escape is very expensive to cast and break-free/dodge/block can drain stam quickly. My dmg could be higher but thats only an issue when fighting very tanky DKs or Wardens.
Stam or Mag with this build is amazing, and personally i prefer the Stam, because then i can Dark up, getting 4k HP and Mag back. But Mag is just as good, because with SnB you can heavy attack to get your missing stam back, and running a infused sword with Absorb Stam (Or Mag, preference) just gives even more back.. only thing i dont like about Lich are the 2-4 bonuses, the max mag is nice, but not enough spell dmg imo. I like my MagSorc (Personally) to have huge burst which requires you to be one tanky mf to survive through.
But again, its really all preference, personally i can sustain np with 1400 mag recov, its pretty rare i drop below 20% mag and if i do, i just streak, dark up 1-2 times and pop a pot and im back in the fight0 -
ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »On my mag sorc I run 5x necro, 5x lich (back bar), 2x shadowrend and willpower (front bar).
Infused with tri-stat glyphs on big pieces, inpen with magicka enchants on small pieces.
With tri-stat buff food I get around 23.5k health, 41k magicka (46k with shadowrend) and 16k stamina. When Lich procs magicka regen goes up to 3.3k so sustain is really good.
Shadowrend is very useful on a mag sorc, it procs on CD activating necro, deals dmg, applies minor maim and has 1pc magicka regen bonus. Its a lot better than Engine Guardian because there’s no RNG or health regen bonus involved.
EG imo would still be the better option. Procs more and gives good sustain, so you can drop lich.
I run 1449 mag recov and its rare that i ever run outta magicka AND stam, even in 1vX situations.
Fully buffed (With continuous) im able to get a 19.4k CFrag tooltip, which is almost as much as a leap, which is an ult.
Not as tanky as someone would be with shadowrend bc im missing out on the minor maim, but i def throw out way more damage.
EG is also a AMAZING LOS tool, once you learn how to use EG for LOS, itll be hard to be hit, my EG has ate up so many meteors, leaps, rune cages, CC's, frags, chains anything you name it. Its saved my a** so many times
If you can sustain with 1500 mag regen thats really impressive. For 2/3 of the fight EG will not proc magicka so sustain could be tricky for less skilled players.
Personally I like the 1800 base regen (that goes up to 3300 with lich) and 16k stam because bolt escape is very expensive to cast and break-free/dodge/block can drain stam quickly. My dmg could be higher but thats only an issue when fighting very tanky DKs or Wardens.
See that's the thing that always blew my mind. I see sorcs running high regen builds and still convert stam to mag.
When I was doing high regen, I did mag to stam conversions. Full bar of stam at will in a cast? Yes please. Break free get immunity, refresh stam bar, gg.
Especially with liche back bar. Converting mag to stam will proc it for you
With SnB you wouldnt ever have to worry about needing Dark Deal over Conversion, 1-2 heavvy attacks can bring you from little to no stam back to just about full stam0 -
KingLogix✭✭✭Nebula, interesting take on the mag sorc.
few questions:
How is your stam sustain with the low max stam and stam regen? Does the heavy attacking on s&b really make a night to day difference?
Do you struggle sustain wise against stam classes open world?
Lastly, whats your back bar ulti?
Thanks for sharing!
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KingLogix✭✭✭generalmyrick wrote: »wait...
not good for new players to play the class which outclasses all classes?
you want new people to play on hard mode?
MagSorc does not "out class all classes"
If anything that would be a NB.. the class has everything you could ever want. Heavy StamBlade with TK in the right hands is near unkillable unless you zerg him down hard, and can throw out insane amounts of damage.
The MagSorc meta is s'it imo. Doesnt throw out enough damage, and is already kinda squishy. Idek why its the meta, when theyre many other builds better than its. (Shackle, Lich, Domi and Groth/Infernal)
Templars can cleanse 2 huge burst factors on MagSorcs.. Curse and Endless. Without those 2 the combo on MagSorc is useless.
DK's can reflect the MagSorcs main damage skill, CFrags. And a GOOD DK can just tank the damage.
NB's can keep super easy, and super high pressure on the sorc, causing him to stay on the defensive, spamming shields, not doing damage on the offensive.
Wardens... dont even get me started. Shimmering eats up crushing shock and cfrags, Wardens have all of the good and wanted minor/major buffs, while having really good burst and being really tanky.. WHILE having out standing healing.
MagSorc again, does not "Out class all classes" lmfao
Are there heavy armor NB's on PS4? I havent seen them on xbox in open world. are they dw or 2h/bow? I am assuming TK, 7th and spriggans?0 -
OGLezard✭✭✭✭✭
✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »On my mag sorc I run 5x necro, 5x lich (back bar), 2x shadowrend and willpower (front bar).
Infused with tri-stat glyphs on big pieces, inpen with magicka enchants on small pieces.
With tri-stat buff food I get around 23.5k health, 41k magicka (46k with shadowrend) and 16k stamina. When Lich procs magicka regen goes up to 3.3k so sustain is really good.
Shadowrend is very useful on a mag sorc, it procs on CD activating necro, deals dmg, applies minor maim and has 1pc magicka regen bonus. Its a lot better than Engine Guardian because there’s no RNG or health regen bonus involved.
EG imo would still be the better option. Procs more and gives good sustain, so you can drop lich.
I run 1449 mag recov and its rare that i ever run outta magicka AND stam, even in 1vX situations.
Fully buffed (With continuous) im able to get a 19.4k CFrag tooltip, which is almost as much as a leap, which is an ult.
Not as tanky as someone would be with shadowrend bc im missing out on the minor maim, but i def throw out way more damage.
EG is also a AMAZING LOS tool, once you learn how to use EG for LOS, itll be hard to be hit, my EG has ate up so many meteors, leaps, rune cages, CC's, frags, chains anything you name it. Its saved my a** so many times
If you can sustain with 1500 mag regen thats really impressive. For 2/3 of the fight EG will not proc magicka so sustain could be tricky for less skilled players.
Personally I like the 1800 base regen (that goes up to 3300 with lich) and 16k stam because bolt escape is very expensive to cast and break-free/dodge/block can drain stam quickly. My dmg could be higher but thats only an issue when fighting very tanky DKs or Wardens.
See that's the thing that always blew my mind. I see sorcs running high regen builds and still convert stam to mag.
When I was doing high regen, I did mag to stam conversions. Full bar of stam at will in a cast? Yes please. Break free get immunity, refresh stam bar, gg.
Especially with liche back bar. Converting mag to stam will proc it for you
With SnB you wouldnt ever have to worry about needing Dark Deal over Conversion, 1-2 heavvy attacks can bring you from little to no stam back to just about full stam
Yea that's assuming I want to get up in someones business to do that :P0 -
OGLezard✭✭✭✭✭
✭Also, I know you like streak better than bol, but you are aware that bol procs necro? I'm sure you are aware ^_^Edited by OGLezard on July 25, 2018 4:06PM0 -
ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭Nebula, interesting take on the mag sorc.
few questions:
How is your stam sustain with the low max stam and stam regen? Does the heavy attacking on s&b really make a night to day difference?
Do you struggle sustain wise against stam classes open world?
Lastly, whats your back bar ulti?
Thanks for sharing!
Hey! And thank you to answer your questions...
Yes, SnB really does make a HUGE difference in stam sustain (As well as having EG), whenever im low on stam, simply 1 heavy attack will do the trick for either a dodge roll, or a break free. 2 heavy attacks with give us roughly 2 dodge rolls, or a break free and a dodge roll. 2-3 Heavy attacks also generally gives us all our stam back.
I do not struggle against stam builds open world, if youre 1v1 with a stam build, just simply dont cast harness unless you NEED too. (Its 4k+ mag to cost, really pricey against stam toons), with this build tho you can generally kill a stam user pretty quickly.
Back Bar Ulti is Overload (Light attacks give mag back, and we run it for Boundless Storm and Daedric Mines) for group play i would swap it to Negate (If its a good coordinated group)0 -
ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭generalmyrick wrote: »wait...
not good for new players to play the class which outclasses all classes?
you want new people to play on hard mode?
MagSorc does not "out class all classes"
If anything that would be a NB.. the class has everything you could ever want. Heavy StamBlade with TK in the right hands is near unkillable unless you zerg him down hard, and can throw out insane amounts of damage.
The MagSorc meta is s'it imo. Doesnt throw out enough damage, and is already kinda squishy. Idek why its the meta, when theyre many other builds better than its. (Shackle, Lich, Domi and Groth/Infernal)
Templars can cleanse 2 huge burst factors on MagSorcs.. Curse and Endless. Without those 2 the combo on MagSorc is useless.
DK's can reflect the MagSorcs main damage skill, CFrags. And a GOOD DK can just tank the damage.
NB's can keep super easy, and super high pressure on the sorc, causing him to stay on the defensive, spamming shields, not doing damage on the offensive.
Wardens... dont even get me started. Shimmering eats up crushing shock and cfrags, Wardens have all of the good and wanted minor/major buffs, while having really good burst and being really tanky.. WHILE having out standing healing.
MagSorc again, does not "Out class all classes" lmfao
Are there heavy armor NB's on PS4? I havent seen them on xbox in open world. are they dw or 2h/bow? I am assuming TK, 7th and spriggans?
I dont play PS4, im on PC.. youre thinking of the man named Toxic Nebula on PS40 -
ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭Also, I know you like streak better than bol, but you are aware that bol procs necro? I'm sure you are aware ^_^
I did not know BOL procs necro, but i would still stick with streak... pop a Ice Comet, streak through the ball group (DB's if your friends are running them or any other ult) and theyre all gonna eat the dmg... just spam endless on the weakest target too.1 -
OGLezard✭✭✭✭✭
✭Also, I know you like streak better than bol, but you are aware that bol procs necro? I'm sure you are aware ^_^
I did not know BOL procs necro, but i would still stick with streak... pop a Ice Comet, streak through the ball group (DB's if your friends are running them or any other ult) and theyre all gonna eat the dmg... just spam endless on the weakest target too.
its the one thing streak has over bol i miss lol that extra lightning damage :P rune+curse+wrath+ice+frag into a streak is some serious damage if done right ^_^0 -
ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭Also, I know you like streak better than bol, but you are aware that bol procs necro? I'm sure you are aware ^_^
I did not know BOL procs necro, but i would still stick with streak... pop a Ice Comet, streak through the ball group (DB's if your friends are running them or any other ult) and theyre all gonna eat the dmg... just spam endless on the weakest target too.
its the one thing streak has over bol i miss lol that extra lightning damage :P rune+curse+wrath+ice+frag into a streak is some serious damage if done right ^_^
This is very true... only the OG sorcs remember to streak at the end xD0 -
OGLezard✭✭✭✭✭
✭Also, I know you like streak better than bol, but you are aware that bol procs necro? I'm sure you are aware ^_^
I did not know BOL procs necro, but i would still stick with streak... pop a Ice Comet, streak through the ball group (DB's if your friends are running them or any other ult) and theyre all gonna eat the dmg... just spam endless on the weakest target too.
its the one thing streak has over bol i miss lol that extra lightning damage :P rune+curse+wrath+ice+frag into a streak is some serious damage if done right ^_^
This is very true... only the OG sorcs remember to streak at the end xD
Been a sorc since day 1 of eso
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