Is ESO the MMO with the most rude players?

theyancey · July 2018

Not by a long shot. As far as MMORPGs go I started with Ultima a quarter century ago. Dial up D&D type games before that. I think that I have played most all of them along the way. In my experience ESO players are at least as helpful as most and far better than many.

Just last night I was doing a bit of farming outside of Abah's landing when another player and I stumbled upon a master chest at the same time. Neither of us said anything but we just took turns giving it a go and backing away when we failed. After a half dozen they got it open. I moved on. Just as well as I came across another master 20 minutes later and was able to open it. That sort of thing happens to me 6 to 1 versus the jerks who hide waiting for another player to engage some beasts guarding a treasure just so they can then sweep in and grab it.

AlnilamE · July 2018

Lysette wrote: »

This helping out when someone is struggling is a two-sided sword - some will be thankful but others will just be angry about you interfering, especially when you get the last hit and the loot is yours. So it dependents really, sometimes I help out, sometimes I just let them do their thing.

If you attack a mob someone else is attacking you both get loot. Only in large groups is there a loot limitation. But loot in ESO is instanced to players, so people can kill things together even if they are not grouped and they all get loot.

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

The cesspool that is the community in WoW is worst than any other MMORPG. I've been playing since UO, and almost every MMORPG since then, but the WoW community takes the cake.

Might want to go check out BDO now ha

BDO zone chat is bad. There are pockets of the community that are really nice, but you have to go find them. A lot of people just like to troll and grief others.

Lysette · July 2018

Farming nodes is anyway better at night time - ingame - not that many are out there to farm then. I don't know why, because with the farming skills one can see nodes much better in the dark - but most do not farm at night time.

zaria · July 2018

LifenLemons wrote: »

vometia wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

I live in America and the rule here is be first and get it first. I do not mind getting beat to a node. I understand I will get a node ganked while fighting. This is how competition works. I realize again that competition is looked badly by some citizens however for all the nodes I get beat to, I in-turn beat other players to nodes all the time. It evens out in the end.

Hmm, I thought America also had a thing about receiving the benefits of what you worked for, so someone swooping in and grabbing the loot after you've just battled the bad guys for it seems to be rather bad form. I think competition needn't be uncivilised: people can still be respectful. I guess it's the same mentality behind people who will form an orderly queue and people who, well, don't, which seems to be more a matter of good manners (or lack thereof) than competition.

I think the majority of players I've seen actually are respectful, helpful and disinclined to try to steal the goodies from under your nose, but of course it's the probably <10% who have more objectionable standards who tend to get noticed.

This one time I saw a chest, and another person saw it at the same time. We spent about 5 minutes doing emojis, being like, no YOU take it. Only to have a 3rd swoop in and take it lol. Was funny though

Had the same, I thought the cp 200 needed it more than me he thought I deserved it.

Yes *** happens, last delve I did with other player I caught up with him and both knew the rules, drop AoE, wait for other to AoE, before kill, LA mobs to pull in.

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

MerlinPendragon wrote: »

The in game community here is awesome. I love the ESO folks I meet when actually playing.

The forums folks are generally a disaster. I have played many MMOs and even moderated official forums for other games, but I have never seen a forums community that is so quick to complain and bemoan their mentality of entitlement. ZOS is not perfect, but the amount of hate they get on these forums abiut every single topic is at a level I have never seen any other gaming developer have to deal with.

ever see the ff14 forum community?

[removed bashing comment]

ff14 has 2 ongoing threads. " character creation has a race issues" detailing how there is limited real world ethnic options.
and "ff14 gender bias" claiming females get more stuff/better stuff

Wait, is it other games who has messed up racials as bad as ESO?
That would require lots of skills and hard planning.

Being said I once considered returning to ESO but dropped it after visiting the forums.

Now an rad meter like we have in fallout would be nice on forums

AlnilamE · July 2018

But to answer the question, I find the ESO community to be generally friendly and helpful.

SlippyCheeze · July 2018

Walman wrote: »

Playing this game off and on since the release and I do like the game a lot. I also play(ed) other MMORPGs from wayback DAoC(wayback in 2000), SWTOR, LOTRO, Everquest2, WOW and others and from all those games I think ESO has the most rude and inconsiderate players.

Examples:
1: You see a chest or node but theres a mob close to it. You kill the mob and some *** takes the chest/node while you fight the mob

One thing that GW2 got right, and nobody else seems to, is that all of those things are instanced to individual players. So, you can't have a node, or chest, or whatever stolen from you.

That is one of the big contributors to the model "seeing another player should never be a bad thing", and that, in turn, makes for a less hostile community. Nobody gets grumpy because other players are around...

Walman wrote: »

2: You fight a elite and its a close call, other player stands close but dont help, he waits till you die. (I always helpout when i see someone in trouble)

Different players have very different opinions on getting "help" there; some people absolutely loath it, and would be very angry if you jumped in. This may be the same sort of thing.

Walman wrote: »

3: You walk up to an NPC for dialog and this other guy comes on his mount and blockes the view. (not a biggie but its annoying)

This, now, an infinite problem.

Walman wrote: »

There are more small things that players do (or dont do) that drives me nuts, but you get the picture. And it happens in all the other MMORPGs I mentioned, but in ESO it seems much worse then in WOW for instance. Is my perception right or are there *** in the same numbers in all other games aswell?

Literally everything you describe is a problem in WoW also, and in my experience, at about the same rate.

Violynne · July 2018

Walman wrote: »

1: You see a chest or node but theres a mob close to it. You kill the mob and some *** takes the chest/node while you fight the mob

This may sound odd, but I could never understand why people get upset over this. It's not like there's a "loss". The person fighting the mobs get exp and the other gets the node. Win-win, especially since nodes are everywhere.

What truly gets me pissed off is watching high level CPs on starter islands pull this crap to new players. It's disgusting to watch and shows how some people just don't give a damn about anything but themselves.

When I text these people how rude their behavior is, the #1 response is always the same: "They're alts."

[removed profanity]. If a player can't tell the difference between an alt and new player by this point, I can only hope their bank inventory is wiped out, their stats are returned to 0, and they find themselves back as a new player themselves.

It doesn't take but a second to tell the difference.

Kiralyn2000 · July 2018

Walman wrote: »

Playing this game off and on since the release and I do like the game a lot. I also play(ed) other MMORPGs from wayback DAoC(wayback in 2000), SWTOR, LOTRO, Everquest2, WOW and others and from all those games I think ESO has the most rude and inconsiderate players.

Examples:
1: You see a chest or node but theres a mob close to it. You kill the mob and some *** takes the chest/node while you fight the mob
2: You fight a elite and its a close call, other player stands close but dont help, he waits till you die. (I always helpout when i see someone in trouble)
3: You walk up to an NPC for dialog and this other guy comes on his mount and blockes the view. (not a biggie but its annoying)

People were complaining about all these things in WoW when I played it a million years ago. And more.

WoW did it even better - people would take their Absolutely Huge mammoth mounts, and park them on top of important NPCs.

And then there were the people who would 'flag' to enable PvP, then stand in the middle of a mixed-faction crowd around quest NPCs, hoping that someone trying to click on the NPC to talk would accidentally hit them instead, get slaughtered by the guards for "breaking the peace in this neutral city", and incur an armor repair penalty since they were killed in PvE (by guards) rather than in PvP.

Griefers jumping in to guilds attempting to fight major world bosses, so that they wiped.

People going in to opposite faction starter zones to wipe out the questgivers so that lowbies couldn't quest. (in the early day, this would attract high-level allies to fight back. Then people just got bored of that, and left their faction's low-levels to suffer.)

Etc, etc, etc.

No, ESO is nothing compared to other MMOs.

TheShadowScout · July 2018

Walman wrote: »

Playing this game off and on since the release and I do like the game a lot. I also play(ed) other MMORPGs from wayback DAoC(wayback in 2000), SWTOR, LOTRO, Everquest2, WOW and others and from all those games I think ESO has the most rude and inconsiderate players.

I have played a few MMOS, but... have had far less experiences with actual rude players here in ESo then elsewhere...

Walman wrote: »

1: You see a chest or node but theres a mob close to it. You kill the mob and some *** takes the chest/node while you fight the mob

Yeah, that happens. Just people being...

"people".
You can choose to get angry about it, or you can choose to just shrug and go away, find another chest and node...
...but it happens in -every- MMORPG where you share a game world with snatchables.
At least in ESO noone will wait in stealth and then gank you as you bend over to pick up that flower or something (except in cyrodil and IC)

Walman wrote: »

2: You fight a elite and its a close call, other player stands close but dont help, he waits till you die. (I always helpout when i see someone in trouble)

Walman wrote: »

3: You walk up to an NPC for dialog and this other guy comes on his mount and blockes the view. (not a biggie but its annoying)

That is a bit inconsiderate, but not actively -rude-.

In my time in ESO, I have not once had a rude IM when I somehow mange to win a fight in PvP.
I have not had anyone tell me how much my characters suck for not being the most effective combinations (granted, I don't do PUGs, so...)
I have not once met someone who disturbs other people "just fer da lulz"
And I have had no lewd "hey hun, wanna hav sum fun?" IMs on my pretty girl charactes either... (granted, most of my characters are... not the ERP-ish type...)
And also, the frequency of characters in eye-hurting outfits or colors are far less then rumor has it.

All in all, I am content.

Mojmir · July 2018

Its designed this way,product of the environment

sevomd69 · July 2018

I’ve been playing on xb1 pretty much since launch...1000+ CP... and I’ve only met one really toxic player...vWGT pug...I was dps...the “pseudo” healer claims that since he is healer he will not be picking up the pinion b4 the fight even starts...then proceeds to insta die as soon as fight starts...so we burn down the boss...no one saw the need to Rez him...so he quits group and starts whispering “sweet nothings” at us until I blocked him...only player that I have ever blocked...

Also if you can’t solo an “elite”(world boss?) than you should not be starting the fight...if I see someone soloing a world boss... I assume he/she started the fight since they have confidence in their abilities...so if I’m busy doing something else I will not butt in into their fight...

RedTalon · July 2018

There are ruder people out there, the only extremely rude ones I have found at-least on ESO PC are generally a handful of people but they seem to be the minority

There are mmos with more toxic community then eso and a few of them no longer exist..

Sru · July 2018

Walman wrote: »

Playing this game off and on since the release and I do like the game a lot. I also play(ed) other MMORPGs from wayback DAoC(wayback in 2000), SWTOR, LOTRO, Everquest2, WOW and others and from all those games I think ESO has the most rude and inconsiderate players.

You've played WOW and you ask if this game has the rudest players? Most definitely no ...

Agenericname · July 2018

Walman wrote: »

Playing this game off and on since the release and I do like the game a lot. I also play(ed) other MMORPGs from wayback DAoC(wayback in 2000), SWTOR, LOTRO, Everquest2, WOW and others and from all those games I think ESO has the most rude and inconsiderate players.

Examples:
1: You see a chest or node but theres a mob close to it. You kill the mob and some *** takes the chest/node while you fight the mob
2: You fight a elite and its a close call, other player stands close but dont help, he waits till you die. (I always helpout when i see someone in trouble)
3: You walk up to an NPC for dialog and this other guy comes on his mount and blockes the view. (not a biggie but its annoying)

There are more small things that players do (or dont do) that drives me nuts, but you get the picture. And it happens in all the other MMORPGs I mentioned, but in ESO it seems much worse then in WOW for instance. Is my perception right or are there *** in the same numbers in all other games aswell?

BTW: I play on EU server, might be better on US?

Regards
@Walman

I've had #1 happen exactly once. It would be extremely unfair to judge a community by that. I have had people beat me to a node before, which is fine, but even then the majority of the time people tend to turn around if they see another.

#2. That hasn't happened to me, in fact it's usually the opposite. Most of the time I, or a friend and I, sought out said world boss for the challenge and we get help we didn't ask for. I politely thank them for their help as its unlikely they're being rude and I don't have a monopoly on the content.

#3. Its inconsiderate. It's usually 1 out of a much larger number that will do that.

As a whole, I don't think the community is rude at all. It's not pre-trammel UO where someone would wait for your crafter, kill them and their pack horse, and then steal all your stuff while they say "u suck git gud loser."

hakan · July 2018

There is no way this is the most hostile mmo.

Salvas_Aren · July 2018

Walman wrote: »

Examples:
1: You see a chest or node but theres a mob close to it. You kill the mob and some *** takes the chest/node while you fight the mob

That's me. But it happens to me as well.

The point where it starts to be fun is, when a real noob level 4 or 5 or something like that manages to fill the complete inventory and stands next to a cracked treasure chest with just that damn necklace in it and you take it out while he sorts his stuff.

MLGProPlayer · July 2018

Every MMO has the same amount of rude players.

sevomd69 · July 2018

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Walman wrote: »

Examples:
1: You see a chest or node but theres a mob close to it. You kill the mob and some *** takes the chest/node while you fight the mob

That's me. But it happens to me as well.

The point where it starts to be fun is, when a real noob level 4 or 5 or something like that manages to fill the complete inventory and stands next to a cracked treasure chest with just that damn necklace in it and you take it out while he sorts his stuff.

...ummm...then the loot u get is level 4 or 5....so what's the point...

Cloudless · July 2018

Riptide wrote: »

Corp Por! Corp Por!

Wow, thanks for the PTSD spike. :'(

Ragebull · July 2018

A lot of players in this game adopt a certain jerk esque personality once they think they've played long enough. It's a hivemind issue, nothing ZOS can really do about it

fojo82 · July 2018

when ESO first came out, I was so proud to part of this community, Everyone was great, nice, helpful. But now? It's become very hostile no matter what you say or do, someone is saying something to bring you down

Tandor · July 2018

adriant1978 wrote: »

Walman wrote: »

You fight a elite and its a close call, other player stands close but dont help, he waits till you die. (I always helpout when i see someone in trouble)

You can't always know whether someone really needs help or not; maybe they are practising and want to see if they can solo whatever it is you see them fighting. I can recall a few times when I was testing a build against a world boss, and possibly looking like I needed help because I'm not the greatest player, and someone decided to steam in and "save" me.

I agree. There's nothing more irritating than being just about to overcome a really challenging encounter when someone passes by and thinks he's helping by delivering the killing blow.

In my early MMO days it used to be common etiquette in such circumstances for a passer-by to stand close enough to the encounter to be able to spot the other player typing "help" if he needed assistance, failing which a quick rez could be offered if required

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Kaartinen · July 2018

I'd have to say the opposite, in that ESO is one of the friendliest MMO's out there.

Gargath · July 2018

4: You walk up to an NPC banker/vendor/quest giver and there is always some other vicious guy already there with his flying pet blocking the view (very biggie and annoying).

Tandor · July 2018

Kaartinen wrote: »

I'd have to say the opposite, in that ESO is one of the friendliest MMO's out there.

Agreed. In-game I've never encountered a cross word. The forums are another matter, of course

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haelene · July 2018

Tandor wrote: »

Kaartinen wrote: »

I'd have to say the opposite, in that ESO is one of the friendliest MMO's out there.

Agreed. In-game I've never encountered a cross word. The forums are another matter, of course !

Third-ed? ESO has it's share of jerks - but any group of people does and this community is nowhere near the worst of the worst.

I'd be wary of counting blue cars. It's human nature to remember the bad more than the good, and if you go looking to count blue cars, you're likely going to perceive that they outnumber the red ones even if it's not true.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2018

haelene wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Kaartinen wrote: »

I'd have to say the opposite, in that ESO is one of the friendliest MMO's out there.

Agreed. In-game I've never encountered a cross word. The forums are another matter, of course !

Third-ed? ESO has it's share of jerks - but any group of people does and this community is nowhere near the worst of the worst.

I'd be wary of counting blue cars. It's human nature to remember the bad more than the good, and if you go looking to count blue cars, you're likely going to perceive that they outnumber the red ones even if it's not true.

Woah ... that’s like deep and stuff ... maaaaaaaan.

chaserstorm16909 · July 2018

adriant1978 wrote: »

Walman wrote: »

You fight a elite and its a close call, other player stands close but dont help, he waits till you die. (I always helpout when i see someone in trouble)

You can't always know whether someone really needs help or not; maybe they are practising and want to see if they can solo whatever it is you see them fighting. I can recall a few times when I was testing a build against a world boss, and possibly looking like I needed help because I'm not the greatest player, and someone decided to steam in and "save" me.

This applies even more in pvp. It's hard to know when to get involved. Sometimes your ally will get mad at you for interrupting a duel.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2018

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Walman wrote: »

You fight a elite and its a close call, other player stands close but dont help, he waits till you die. (I always helpout when i see someone in trouble)

You can't always know whether someone really needs help or not; maybe they are practising and want to see if they can solo whatever it is you see them fighting. I can recall a few times when I was testing a build against a world boss, and possibly looking like I needed help because I'm not the greatest player, and someone decided to steam in and "save" me.

This applies even more in pvp. It's hard to know when to get involved. Sometimes your ally will get mad at you for interrupting a duel.

If they are dueling in Cyrodiil they deserve what they get. Especially those guys who think dueling on places like the Sejanus porch is a good idea.

Nightfall12 · July 2018

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Walman wrote: »

You fight a elite and its a close call, other player stands close but dont help, he waits till you die. (I always helpout when i see someone in trouble)

You can't always know whether someone really needs help or not; maybe they are practising and want to see if they can solo whatever it is you see them fighting. I can recall a few times when I was testing a build against a world boss, and possibly looking like I needed help because I'm not the greatest player, and someone decided to steam in and "save" me.

This applies even more in pvp. It's hard to know when to get involved. Sometimes your ally will get mad at you for interrupting a duel.

I was going to add a story here and just noticed I quoted the wrong post and now I'm going to slink out of here and pretend this never happened.....

...But some very nice folks in game like when you are at an out of the way dolmen and its just like 4 or less and everyone waits to let others hit the pinions.....or even waits for those slow runners to get there and click the last pinion so they can snag some credit..