When are stam Dk's getting buffed?

KingLogix · July 2018

Can we get an idea of when? Christmas? next summer? next leap year?

Vesper_BR · July 2018

Next life...

Maybe

Aki-Ral · July 2018

Soon after you delete your stamdk because it never got any buffs

TrinityBreaker · July 2018

The next big bang q.q

Sleep724 · July 2018

It seems like they don’t want any sudden changes to classes so for it to be fully balanced against Stam NB and Stam warden it will probably take 6 months to a year knowing ZOS.

KingLogix · July 2018

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

The next big bang q.q

I think I have seen you on Xbox! But thats funny, it probably will be till the next Big Bang XD

TrinityBreaker · July 2018

KingLogix wrote: »

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

The next big bang q.q

I think I have seen you on Xbox! But thats funny, it probably will be till the next Big Bang XD

I see you a lot in stormhaven and sometimes vivec

ak_pvp · July 2018

ESO 2.

Asgari · July 2018

ES6

Left4Daud · July 2018

KingLogix wrote: »

...next leap year?

I see what you did there.

Ragnarock41 · July 2018

Not gonna happen. never, ever. Cause they reject to accept the true problem. Lack of identity. Lack of reason to play stamDK. Lack of built paths. Lack of meaningful ability choices, Lack of cool build synergies that reward you for building for them.(remember max stamina builds? remember ult gen builds? remember the old 2h/bow builds? None of those exists now.)

I just can't understand how people think the wings buff will solve stamDK's identity crisis when it gives the one and only advantage stamDK has over magDk, the snare immunity, to the magicka Dks. This is a clear magDk buffs disguised as a stam one.

but hurr durr you can now take rally and stuff , oh really. I forgot wings are so cheap to afford. My bad. Apologies that I'm such a bad Dk that can't even think of building 1500+ magicka regen to afford wings on top of all the other expensive stuff I use, like 4050 magicka just to access my passives and have some major mending, 2700 magicka for resistances, and again, 2700 magicka If I want to use petrify, and now 3600+ magicka for wings. Oh I wonder what would happen if I played a magicka Dk :kappa:

Rob Garett in ESO Live said that they want players to adapt , and that they wait a bit to give them time to adapt, but they have been ignoring stamDK and stamplar for pretty much one and a half year now. Thats not giving time to adapt. Thats pretty much abandoning it.

Which is why I was cringing and laughing especially hard when he talked. That he clearly tries to be the ''good guy'' who cares and reads, he tries to reassure you that you have nothing to worry about, but what he says and what actually happens is quite the opposite. Both Rob and Wrobel look like they are such cool guys in real life and maybe they actually are. But listening to them saying that they care about feedback, was really painful to watch for me. Especially Wrobel. I blame wrobel and I'm not going to stop blaming him for killing all the fun I had from this game over and over again. Sometimes I almost feel like he watches what builds I use and nerfs them on purpose.

Which brings to my next point:

In this update , two abilities stamDk actually uses, got nerfed. One and the major one is reverb bash. Which is critical for killing pressure, as stamDK you need high uptime on major defile to make sure your weak and outclassed dots do their work of pressuring the enemy.

Now thats gone. Enjoy wasting %25 of your GCDs trying to land it. That pesky cloak spamming stamblade will now have even easier time healing your dots in cloak.

Second nerf is to evil hunter. Which is very funny because nobody ever uses this for its active effect. Its just there to provide %10 crit anyways so who cares?

But yeah, you made sure that the one time when I accidentally press it, nightblades will know it. Thanks zenimax. Such counterplay man.

wow.

Xvorg · July 2018

ONE PASSIVE FOR ONE SKILL...

One *** passive used on one *** skill, that's what we got for wings immunity.

*** off!!

Xsorus · July 2018

Just remember reverb bash got a nerf this patch so even that doesn’t work anymore for stam dks

OrphanHelgen · July 2018

For the first time in my life, with over 250 days played as stam dk, I did a respec to magicka.

Twohothardware · July 2018

Xsorus wrote: »

Just remember reverb bash got a nerf this patch so even that doesn’t work anymore for stam dks

It still works, you're just going to run out of Stamina faster trying to keep up Major Defile. The nerf needed to happen though.

But now they need to turn around and buff other S&B skills that StamDK could use. Heroic/Deep Slash as I posted in another thread should be converted to deal bleed damage so you can use the skill in a burst rotation and Power Slam, the opposite morph from Reverb Bash, needs a worthwhile damage buff.

StamDK is too reliant on Two Handed Dizzying Swing which is crap against non potatoes. The only other option right now is an all bleeds build which you really need Master's dual wield weapons to be effective.

IZZEFlameLash · July 2018

In the next update that will also be pushed to the next update to the eternity.

Adenoma · July 2018

At some point I’m hoping they realize that elder dragon is still anDK passive.

Sleep724 · July 2018

At least coulda put minor defile on reverb for 10 seconds, may have kept it useable. Not now though.

For 3 years my main pvp guy was my Stam DK. Now, I can’t take it anymore. It’s become almost useless in anything pvp against anyone who’s not a scrub. I finally made the switch to Stam Warden and can’t believe I waited this long. As has been said so many times, Zos has no idea how to balance DKs and Templars anymore. Sorcs, NBs, and Stam Wardens dominate pvp and Zos can’t seem to figure out why. What a shame.

IAVITNI · July 2018

Buff Battle Roar-have it refund ultimate cost based on missing health
Buff GDB-remove Major Fortitude and just give flat Health recovery
Buff/Fix Noxious Breath

Actually buff everything in the stamDK skill set. Ya do that.

MLGProPlayer · July 2018

Never. Wrobel only buffs sorc and NB.

Templar, DK, and warden only get nerfs.

TheRealPotoroo · July 2018

KingLogix wrote: »

Can we get an idea of when? Christmas? next summer? next leap year?

John_Falstaff · July 2018

> Rob Garett in ESO Live said that they want players to adapt , and that they wait a bit to give them time to adapt

Well, I'm surely adapting. Preparing to cave in and resign to the fate, thinking up a good name for a dunmer magblade, have Maelstrom inferno stashed in the bank, putting aside good Burning Spellweave pieces I come across. I wonder if that's what they meant by 'adapt'. At least there's roleplaying for stamina DKs...

(Until they've nerfed DK's emotes. You know, 'stand your ground' class really must stand in heroic posture and make stoic face all the time, no need for other emotes.)

Bashev · July 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Never. Wrobel only buffs sorc and NB.

Templar, DK, and warden only get nerfs.

And do you know why is that? Because of their gameplay. If Templars, DKs and Wardens are strong it means that a good player could tank 5+ bad players and kill them at the same time. And this is not acceptable by the community. Then it starts: "OMG this is unbelievable and so on. Noone should be able to tank 5+ ppl and kill them".

On the other hand Sorcs and NBs relies on mobility and burst. So a good player will kill these 5+ ppl but with kiting and bursting them down. This is normal for the majorities and doesnt scream so loud "Nerf them".

Also the tanking style leads to clustering more players on the same spot and then it is really noticeable by the other players. But NB ambushing his/her victims from stealth is ok. Most of the bad players will not even notice that is only one NB. They could think that more NBs attacked them.

John_Falstaff · July 2018

Thing is, mobility, burst and range is pretty much sine qua non in current state of PvE, the content heavily penalizes everything else. So, class forced into tanking style has no future in PvE (except as a tank, that is). If that's the culprit, then they really should find a way to adjust classes in PvE and PvP separately to unlock a good chunk of content to DKs.

Xsorus · July 2018

Twohothardware wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Just remember reverb bash got a nerf this patch so even that doesn’t work anymore for stam dks

It still works, you're just going to run out of Stamina faster trying to keep up Major Defile. The nerf needed to happen though.

But now they need to turn around and buff other S&B skills that StamDK could use. Heroic/Deep Slash as I posted in another thread should be converted to deal bleed damage so you can use the skill in a burst rotation and Power Slam, the opposite morph from Reverb Bash, needs a worthwhile damage buff.

StamDK is too reliant on Two Handed Dizzying Swing which is crap against non potatoes. The only other option right now is an all bleeds build which you really need Master's dual wield weapons to be effective.

Well before the reverb change you could run 1hd shield and do fine with dot builds. I suspect that will no longer work this patch so that’ll push us in dual wield and we are outclassed there by every other stam build. I won’t go dizzying swing on my dk though, that *** is impossible to land in any laggy situation which is every day in vivec.

Ragnarock41 · July 2018

Xsorus wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Just remember reverb bash got a nerf this patch so even that doesn’t work anymore for stam dks

It still works, you're just going to run out of Stamina faster trying to keep up Major Defile. The nerf needed to happen though.

But now they need to turn around and buff other S&B skills that StamDK could use. Heroic/Deep Slash as I posted in another thread should be converted to deal bleed damage so you can use the skill in a burst rotation and Power Slam, the opposite morph from Reverb Bash, needs a worthwhile damage buff.

StamDK is too reliant on Two Handed Dizzying Swing which is crap against non potatoes. The only other option right now is an all bleeds build which you really need Master's dual wield weapons to be effective.

Well before the reverb change you could run 1hd shield and do fine with dot builds. I suspect that will no longer work this patch so that’ll push us in dual wield and we are outclassed there by every other stam build. I won’t go dizzying swing on my dk though, that *** is impossible to land in any laggy situation which is every day in vivec.

Part of the issue is that stamina Dk dots lose when you compare them directly to bleeds or the magicka morphs of the same abilities.

Blood craze for example comes with a heal over time, and outdamages claws , cause bleeds ignore resistances for some weird reason.

burning embers, comes with a crazy good heal, not to mention it deal fire damage which is crazy good against vampires.

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noxious breath: comes with aoe major fracture, is outdamaged and outranged by shalks.

engulfing flames: Has a very unique %10 fire damage debuff which is UNIQUE , and can only be applied by this ability, which makes it crazy good.

For comparision, brawler, which has a similar damage model to noxious breath, comes with a shield which is very strong in outnumbered situations. And it also transforms into an aoe-spammable-cleave thing, if you have a master 2h.

And combining all these dots wastes too much skill slots, forcing you to drop abilities you would normally want to run, and not to mention applying way too many dots wastes too much time, and is very ineffective in group PvP.

I suspect that a considerable amount of the remaining SnB stamDks will turn into Dual wield with master dw, with sets like durok for the lost defile. That is if they still stay with stamDK, cause classes like stamsorc or stamblade are pretty much superior when it comes to dual wield builds.

I think the reverb change is good for the overall direction of the game, but its yet another blatant nerf for stamDk and anyone saying otherwise might need to think once more about who really needs the pressure of reverb the most..

Ragnarock41 · July 2018

Bashev wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Never. Wrobel only buffs sorc and NB.

Templar, DK, and warden only get nerfs.

And do you know why is that? Because of their gameplay. If Templars, DKs and Wardens are strong it means that a good player could tank 5+ bad players and kill them at the same time. And this is not acceptable by the community. Then it starts: "OMG this is unbelievable and so on. Noone should be able to tank 5+ ppl and kill them".

On the other hand Sorcs and NBs relies on mobility and burst. So a good player will kill these 5+ ppl but with kiting and bursting them down. This is normal for the majorities and doesnt scream so loud "Nerf them".

Also the tanking style leads to clustering more players on the same spot and then it is really noticeable by the other players. But NB ambushing his/her victims from stealth is ok. Most of the bad players will not even notice that is only one NB. They could think that more NBs attacked them.

Talking from experience, you are right. I got way too many hate whispers on my sDK telling me to that I'm playing an OP class and other dumb stuff because I wreck their faces, and now I'm ganking the same scrubs with a stamblade, absolutely no whispers so far. (except other scrubblades that I mark)

I even had an argument with a magblade(a very bad one who thinks he is good), that says my medium armor Dk with bone pirate-spriggans is way too tanky for him. (spoiler alert, he was using a proc build with sloads, using soul assault and cloak-shade spamming, shield stacking like crazy, but I was the ''tanky'' player when you asked him.)

Raraaku · July 2018

I still die too much in PvP to have any real opinion, although I will say that I find it extremely frustrating on the lack of mobility of the class compared to Warden/Sorcerer/Nightblade. On Battlegrounds I often find that those classes simply run away and/or cloak after the initial burst fails and there's not much I can do about it, especially with the extremely limited range of Fossilize. Critical Charge is okay, but I often charge myself into the rest of the team that they are kiting to, and I don't want to waste a leap just to close the gap.

Bashev · July 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Never. Wrobel only buffs sorc and NB.

Templar, DK, and warden only get nerfs.

And do you know why is that? Because of their gameplay. If Templars, DKs and Wardens are strong it means that a good player could tank 5+ bad players and kill them at the same time. And this is not acceptable by the community. Then it starts: "OMG this is unbelievable and so on. Noone should be able to tank 5+ ppl and kill them".

On the other hand Sorcs and NBs relies on mobility and burst. So a good player will kill these 5+ ppl but with kiting and bursting them down. This is normal for the majorities and doesnt scream so loud "Nerf them".

Also the tanking style leads to clustering more players on the same spot and then it is really noticeable by the other players. But NB ambushing his/her victims from stealth is ok. Most of the bad players will not even notice that is only one NB. They could think that more NBs attacked them.

Talking from experience, you are right. I got way too many hate whispers on my sDK telling me to that I'm playing an OP class and other dumb stuff because I wreck their faces, and now I'm ganking the same scrubs with a stamblade, absolutely no whispers so far. (except other scrubblades that I mark)

I even had an argument with a magblade(a very bad one who thinks he is good), that says my medium armor Dk with bone pirate-spriggans is way too tanky for him. (spoiler alert, he was using a proc build with sloads, using soul assault and cloak-shade spamming, shield stacking like crazy, but I was the ''tanky'' player when you asked him.)

Exactly. I was talking from my experience.

Xvorg · July 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Just remember reverb bash got a nerf this patch so even that doesn’t work anymore for stam dks

It still works, you're just going to run out of Stamina faster trying to keep up Major Defile. The nerf needed to happen though.

But now they need to turn around and buff other S&B skills that StamDK could use. Heroic/Deep Slash as I posted in another thread should be converted to deal bleed damage so you can use the skill in a burst rotation and Power Slam, the opposite morph from Reverb Bash, needs a worthwhile damage buff.

StamDK is too reliant on Two Handed Dizzying Swing which is crap against non potatoes. The only other option right now is an all bleeds build which you really need Master's dual wield weapons to be effective.

Well before the reverb change you could run 1hd shield and do fine with dot builds. I suspect that will no longer work this patch so that’ll push us in dual wield and we are outclassed there by every other stam build. I won’t go dizzying swing on my dk though, that *** is impossible to land in any laggy situation which is every day in vivec.

Part of the issue is that stamina Dk dots lose when you compare them directly to bleeds or the magicka morphs of the same abilities.

Blood craze for example comes with a heal over time, and outdamages claws , cause bleeds ignore resistances for some weird reason.

burning embers, comes with a crazy good heal, not to mention it deal fire damage which is crazy good against vampires.

----

noxious breath: comes with aoe major fracture, is outdamaged and outranged by shalks.

engulfing flames: Has a very unique %10 fire damage debuff which is UNIQUE , and can only be applied by this ability, which makes it crazy good.

For comparision, brawler, which has a similar damage model to noxious breath, comes with a shield which is very strong in outnumbered situations. And it also transforms into an aoe-spammable-cleave thing, if you have a master 2h.

And combining all these dots wastes too much skill slots, forcing you to drop abilities you would normally want to run, and not to mention applying way too many dots wastes too much time, and is very ineffective in group PvP.

I suspect that a considerable amount of the remaining SnB stamDks will turn into Dual wield with master dw, with sets like durok for the lost defile. That is if they still stay with stamDK, cause classes like stamsorc or stamblade are pretty much superior when it comes to dual wield builds.

I think the reverb change is good for the overall direction of the game, but its yet another blatant nerf for stamDk and anyone saying otherwise might need to think once more about who really needs the pressure of reverb the most..

I would be OK with weapon skills (2H, DW) if sDK somehow had a passive helping that playing style, but it has nothing. All the good things you can get are extra healing if sloting an ED ability. Compared to the extra physical dmg Stamsorc has, or the extra crits stamblade and stamplar have... or even the extra dmg you get for slotting an AC skill on a stamden, makes them way more appealing than sDK.

But we know what ZoS thinks about buffing DK... the whole thing with WiR... Why increasing only one skill, why not increasing all the DoTs a DK can put in an acceptable % (let say a 10%), so the use of skills like brawler or twin slashes is also appealing in that class? Even something like soultrap should seem an option if you want to recover resources.

DK is the class of dots, they have always said that, but now what DK, and especially stamDK have are just laughable skills that give us no reason to play. ZERO!

CurvedSwords123 · August 2018

They don't need a buff, Stamsorcs need a buff.