GIVE RUNE CAGE MAGWARDEN.

Starlight_Knight · July 2018

The sorcs tool kit is "overloaded" (pun intended)

Convince me this is a bad idea.

Mojomonkeyman · July 2018

It would be awesome, even if its just to see all the eternal sorc defenders suddenly finding very creative ways to make a point why its not the damage that is the problem...

_Ahala_ · July 2018

By the Green please no... Magden should be buffed to be a fun and balanced class not made into a meta monster without counterplay

Zer0oo · July 2018

Sound fun. So remove all sorc ccs and give another class with range burst an unavoidable cc. That is how balanced should be done.
GJ forum the suggestion are not better than what the balance team does.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave · July 2018

Zer0oo wrote: »

Sound fun. So remove all sorc ccs and give another class with range burst an unavoidable cc. That is how balanced should be done.
GJ forum the suggestion are not better than what the balance team does.

What is the Magden combo that would burst people even with this by comparison to sorcs. Remember that Magdens have no execute, passive or active and 1 delayed DPS burst move.

So we give Magden this, and what happens? They suddenly have a CC, which benefits them no doubt, but HOW would you chain the burst damage on a Magden like that?

Currently have and play a Magden on live and by no means would giving us a CC make us overpowered lol. It may put us on a more even ground though.

Tryxus · July 2018

Change Arctic Blast to this

_Ahala_ · July 2018

We absolutely need a good class cc... we don’t however need another unavoidable cc

MisterBigglesworth · July 2018

Make one of the Swarm morphs be an undogeable/unblockable debuff that causes the enemy's single-target abilities to miss, but you can dodgeroll out of it, granting CC immunity.

Apply a knockdown effect to any enemy caught between you and your ally as you are Nature's Embrace-ing towards them.

There you go. Some additional CC for Magwarden without resorting to simple copy-paste and it's situational and can be countered, encouraging smarter play for both sides.

_Ahala_ · July 2018

Ok that nature’s embrace suggestion is hilarious... I like it

Starlight_Knight · July 2018

Zer0oo wrote: »

Sound fun. So remove all sorc ccs and give another class with range burst an unavoidable cc. That is how balanced should be done.
GJ forum the suggestion are not better than what the balance team does.

love the suggestions.. The point of this discussion was to just highlight and draw attention to the differences with the mag warden and mag sorc tool kit in pvp, IE magwardens don't have Burst, CC, or delayed executes, nor passives that have 10k tool tips for doing nothing.

ak_pvp · July 2018

Give no one rune cage. Its super aids.

brandonv516 · July 2018

Can't argue here.

Call it Root Cage.

Ragnarock41 · July 2018

_Ahala_ wrote: »

By the Green please no... Magden should be buffed to be a fun and balanced class not made into a meta monster without counterplay

The bolded part is the literal definition of magsorc right now. Congratz.

Derra · July 2018

I´d support that - if frags were to get it´s cc back and which skill from warden would sorc get in exchange?

I couldn´t be one that´s unusable or cenceptually broken (like ice passage).

Feanor · July 2018

Deal. I’ll take Shimmering Shield in exchange.

Gravord · July 2018

Zer0oo wrote: »

Sound fun. So remove all sorc ccs and give another class with range burst an unavoidable cc. That is how balanced should be done.
GJ forum the suggestion are not better than what the balance team does.

Haha, typical sorc. Apart of op Rune Cage you sitll have 5 !!!!! more cc skills, more than any other class but i guess it doesnt count right?

Lieblingsjunge · July 2018

Simple. They should give every class a skill similar to Rune Cage. With the same range, with the same function. \o/
Increase range of DK-Petrify, make Fear to a single-target long-ranged. Give Magwardens an option in e.g. Arctic Blast or any of those other poop-skills. Change Templar's Eclipse to work the same way.

Now wouldn't that be fun

Zer0oo · July 2018

Gravord wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Sound fun. So remove all sorc ccs and give another class with range burst an unavoidable cc. That is how balanced should be done.
GJ forum the suggestion are not better than what the balance team does.

Haha, typical sorc. Apart of op Rune Cage you sitll have 5 !!!!! more cc skills, more than any other class but i guess it doesnt count right?

Haha, typical forum pleasant. First i play all classes and i played also mag warden for quite some time till it became unplayable for my playstyle. It is not that i think a sorc should have an unavoidable cc should, it is that i don't want any class to have a skill without counterplay.

Mag wardens have a lot of burst if you want them to have. Deep F+dot+skoria+bird hits harder than the sorc combo.

Oh since you are so a expert on sorcs please tell me the other op cc sorc have(that also work well in pvp).

Feanor · July 2018

@Zer0oo

Familiar Pulse Stun and Streak/BoL. Both totally OP. Oh and the Atronach stun. Only costs 213 Ultimate. Way too cheap. And the mines. The mines! (Those are immobilizes though)

Mojomonkeyman · July 2018

Feanor wrote: »

@Zer0oo

Familiar Pulse Stun and Streak/BoL. Both totally OP. Oh and the Atronach stun. Only costs 213 Ultimate. Way too cheap. And the mines. The mines! (Those are immobilizes though)

You are aware that this is still much more control than any magwarden could hope for, right? I would recommend reading @Hayden_Knight second post and not go full defense mode immediately - that post should clear up the confusion and put things into perspective for even the most hardcore sorc enthusiasts...

Feanor · July 2018

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Zer0oo

Familiar Pulse Stun and Streak/BoL. Both totally OP. Oh and the Atronach stun. Only costs 213 Ultimate. Way too cheap. And the mines. The mines! (Those are immobilizes though)

You are aware that this is still much more control than any magwarden could hope for, right? I would recommend reading @Hayden_Knight second post and not go full defense mode immediately - that post should clear up the confusion and put things into perspective for even the most hardcore sorc enthusiasts...

I’m very much aware @Mojomonkeyman. Why they left magWarden in this state is beyond me. It’s a shame.

Starlight_Knight · July 2018

Zer0oo wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Sound fun. So remove all sorc ccs and give another class with range burst an unavoidable cc. That is how balanced should be done.
GJ forum the suggestion are not better than what the balance team does.

Haha, typical sorc. Apart of op Rune Cage you sitll have 5 !!!!! more cc skills, more than any other class but i guess it doesnt count right?

Haha, typical forum pleasant. First i play all classes and i played also mag warden for quite some time till it became unplayable for my playstyle. It is not that i think a sorc should have an unavoidable cc should, it is that i don't want any class to have a skill without counterplay.

Mag wardens have a lot of burst if you want them to have. Deep F+dot+skoria+bird hits harder than the sorc combo.

Oh since you are so a expert on sorcs please tell me the other op cc sorc have(that also work well in pvp).

Thats not really a burst combo though is it. Nice try though

Ragnaroek93 · July 2018

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Zer0oo

Familiar Pulse Stun and Streak/BoL. Both totally OP. Oh and the Atronach stun. Only costs 213 Ultimate. Way too cheap. And the mines. The mines! (Those are immobilizes though)

You are aware that this is still much more control than any magwarden could hope for, right? I would recommend reading @Hayden_Knight second post and not go full defense mode immediately - that post should clear up the confusion and put things into perspective for even the most hardcore sorc enthusiasts...

Come on man, everyone knows that magden needs a buff. Nerfing every single class down to magden tier won't solve anything, it would just make the game even more broken and unfun and you know that.

Zer0oo · July 2018

Hayden_Knight wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Sound fun. So remove all sorc ccs and give another class with range burst an unavoidable cc. That is how balanced should be done.
GJ forum the suggestion are not better than what the balance team does.

Haha, typical sorc. Apart of op Rune Cage you sitll have 5 !!!!! more cc skills, more than any other class but i guess it doesnt count right?

Haha, typical forum pleasant. First i play all classes and i played also mag warden for quite some time till it became unplayable for my playstyle. It is not that i think a sorc should have an unavoidable cc should, it is that i don't want any class to have a skill without counterplay.

Mag wardens have a lot of burst if you want them to have. Deep F+dot+skoria+bird hits harder than the sorc combo.

Oh since you are so a expert on sorcs please tell me the other op cc sorc have(that also work well in pvp).

Thats not really a burst combo though is it. Nice try though

Not sure what you had hoped for or understand as burst combo, but this works as burst. Probably not easy to land nowadays with all the swift builds and without a some other crowd control options.
I don't think wardens lack burst but they lack options to land the burst or cc the opponent. (personal opinion feel free to disagree)

Mojomonkeyman · July 2018

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Zer0oo

Familiar Pulse Stun and Streak/BoL. Both totally OP. Oh and the Atronach stun. Only costs 213 Ultimate. Way too cheap. And the mines. The mines! (Those are immobilizes though)

You are aware that this is still much more control than any magwarden could hope for, right? I would recommend reading @Hayden_Knight second post and not go full defense mode immediately - that post should clear up the confusion and put things into perspective for even the most hardcore sorc enthusiasts...

Come on man, everyone knows that magden needs a buff. Nerfing every single class down to magden tier won't solve anything, it would just make the game even more broken and unfun and you know that.

I know that and don't want rune cage on my magwarden (or any class). But the idea alone is pretty revealing when I see the responses. I think we would have a much better balance discussion across the board when every magsorc would be forced to play magwarden for a month.

OGLezard · July 2018

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

It would be awesome, even if its just to see all the eternal sorc defenders suddenly finding very creative ways to make a point why its not the damage that is the problem...

The damage wasnt the problem...... 3k damage every 6 seconds is insanity to you?

It's not the range stun into my 30-35k burst you cant avoid?

33-38k if you include rune cage......

So, tell me again how 3k damage every 6 seconds is the problem lololololol

I am a sorc fyi, and that's not a creative way. That's just the actual truth behind it.

The range, the sh*tty break free mechanics, and the 5 second stun if you have no stamina or if break free decides not to work, IS the problem.

But, go on, tell us how 3k damage every 6 seconds is the issue here

thats after resistances and CP are accounted for. Sometimes I see it explode for a lot less.

P.s.

Couldn't resist responding after reading that :P

Mojomonkeyman · July 2018

OGLezard wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

It would be awesome, even if its just to see all the eternal sorc defenders suddenly finding very creative ways to make a point why its not the damage that is the problem...

The damage wasnt the problem...... 3k damage every 6 seconds is insanity to you?

It's not the range stun into my 30-35k burst you cant avoid?

33-38k if you include rune cage......

So, tell me again how 3k damage every 6 seconds is the problem lololololol

I am a sorc fyi, and that's not a creative way. That's just the actual truth behind it.

The range, the sh*tty break free mechanics, and the 5 second stun if you have no stamina or if break free decides not to work, IS the problem.

But, go on, tell us how 3k damage every 6 seconds is the issue here thats after resistances and CP are accounted for. Sometimes I see it explode for a lot less.

P.s.

Couldn't resist responding after reading that :P

You wrote so many words, yet you didn't understand what I was saying in the first place. Might be that english is not my native language. Read again, everyone else understood what I was implying.

Sparr0w · July 2018

Runecage gets enough magwardens tho

hakan · July 2018

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Make one of the Swarm morphs be an undogeable/unblockable debuff that causes the enemy's single-target abilities to miss, but you can dodgeroll out of it, granting CC immunity.

Apply a knockdown effect to any enemy caught between you and your ally as you are Nature's Embrace-ing towards them.

There you go. Some additional CC for Magwarden without resorting to simple copy-paste and it's situational and can be countered, encouraging smarter play for both sides.

That swarm thing would be good actually. i like the suggestion. But is there a miss debuff tho?