I feel templars are horrible bcz theres no class theme or cohesion. No real playstyle im aiming for. Ontop of that just about every skill or passive is outdone by other classes comparitive skills/passives and even world skills. At most i slot 4 templar skills but usually im around 3.
SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Leave it to the PvP trolls to come thoughtlessly dump on a clearly PvE thread. They are only here to be contrarian, like toddlers stubbornly insisting "nuh-uh!" to every adult point being made. The facts about the sorry state of Templars in PvE are indisputable. They are not "powerful" relative to other classes. The PvE DPS gap is huge, and only the Warden falls below us in numbers.
SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Leave it to the PvP trolls to come thoughtlessly dump on a clearly PvE thread. They are only here to be contrarian, like toddlers stubbornly insisting "nuh-uh!" to every adult point being made. The facts about the sorry state of Templars in PvE are indisputable. They are not "powerful" relative to other classes. The PvE DPS gap is huge, and only the Warden falls below us in numbers.
OP never specified that this was a PvE thread. Once they mentioned they were only looking for a PvE build, the posts switched focus. Don't be so surly. It's unbecoming and unnecessary.
That being said, you're right. PvP templars are great, but in PvE, they're quickly becoming a liability for most endgame teams.
SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Leave it to the PvP trolls to come thoughtlessly dump on a clearly PvE thread. They are only here to be contrarian, like toddlers stubbornly insisting "nuh-uh!" to every adult point being made. The facts about the sorry state of Templars in PvE are indisputable. They are not "powerful" relative to other classes. The PvE DPS gap is huge, and only the Warden falls below us in numbers.
OP never specified that this was a PvE thread. Once they mentioned they were only looking for a PvE build, the posts switched focus. Don't be so surly. It's unbecoming and unnecessary.
That being said, you're right. PvP templars are great, but in PvE, they're quickly becoming a liability for most endgame teams.
OP very much did specify its a PVE thread...
Doesnt really make a difference, all these pvp nayysayers are lyin out thier ass anyway, the only templars worth thier salt in pvp are healers, theres 4 magplar dps left across NA and most stamplars went nb, a few went warden cuz craz's warden best fit paladin playstyle.
Doesnt really make a difference, all these pvp nayysayers are lyin out thier ass anyway, the only templars worth thier salt in pvp are healers, theres 4 magplar dps left across NA and most stamplars went nb, a few went warden cuz craz's warden best fit paladin playstyle.
I play both a healer and a dps Magplar in pvp. I feel quite capable in both roles. Not lying out my ass either. I do think Magplar dps could use more boost, but I've also witnessed 2 years of forum complaints about how it's the "end of the world" for Templars. And I've also read the same from other classes claiming how their class is over as well. That's just the way people on the forums are. And it always boggles my mind if they think their RL is coming to an end, too.
Doesnt really make a difference, all these pvp nayysayers are lyin out thier ass anyway, the only templars worth thier salt in pvp are healers, theres 4 magplar dps left across NA and most stamplars went nb, a few went warden cuz craz's warden best fit paladin playstyle.
I play both a healer and a dps Magplar in pvp. I feel quite capable in both roles. Not lying out my ass either. I do think Magplar dps could use more boost, but I've also witnessed 2 years of forum complaints about how it's the "end of the world" for Templars. And I've also read the same from other classes claiming how their class is over as well. That's just the way people on the forums are. And it always boggles my mind if they think their RL is coming to an end, too.
Our entire templar kit has been trashed and ground up into little pieces spreqd out here and there. We had key passives and abilities stripped from us and replaced with sub-par, mag-only lack luster skills. And have been recieving nerfs for 4 years straight.
Can a skilled player be productive on a templar?
-No where near as much as that player on any other class. Period.
Doesnt really make a difference, all these pvp nayysayers are lyin out thier ass anyway, the only templars worth thier salt in pvp are healers, theres 4 magplar dps left across NA and most stamplars went nb, a few went warden cuz craz's warden best fit paladin playstyle.
I play both a healer and a dps Magplar in pvp. I feel quite capable in both roles. Not lying out my ass either. I do think Magplar dps could use more boost, but I've also witnessed 2 years of forum complaints about how it's the "end of the world" for Templars. And I've also read the same from other classes claiming how their class is over as well. That's just the way people on the forums are. And it always boggles my mind if they think their RL is coming to an end, too.
Our entire templar kit has been trashed and ground up into little pieces spreqd out here and there. We had key passives and abilities stripped from us and replaced with sub-par, mag-only lack luster skills. And have been recieving nerfs for 4 years straight.
Can a skilled player be productive on a templar?
-No where near as much as that player on any other class. Period.
Ahh...I see. You're also one of those "Templars are the worst. cry cry " forum people. And that's a reminder for me to quit posting in Templar forums. It's so unproductive. "sub-par!" "Lack-luster!" "nerf after nerf after nerf!" whine whine.
If you want something, ask for it. Be specific and quit the crying. Keep it simple. Or....play another class.
Doesnt really make a difference, all these pvp nayysayers are lyin out thier ass anyway, the only templars worth thier salt in pvp are healers, theres 4 magplar dps left across NA and most stamplars went nb, a few went warden cuz craz's warden best fit paladin playstyle.
I play both a healer and a dps Magplar in pvp. I feel quite capable in both roles. Not lying out my ass either. I do think Magplar dps could use more boost, but I've also witnessed 2 years of forum complaints about how it's the "end of the world" for Templars. And I've also read the same from other classes claiming how their class is over as well. That's just the way people on the forums are. And it always boggles my mind if they think their RL is coming to an end, too.
Our entire templar kit has been trashed and ground up into little pieces spreqd out here and there. We had key passives and abilities stripped from us and replaced with sub-par, mag-only lack luster skills. And have been recieving nerfs for 4 years straight.
Can a skilled player be productive on a templar?
-No where near as much as that player on any other class. Period.
Ahh...I see. You're also one of those "Templars are the worst. cry cry " forum people. And that's a reminder for me to quit posting in Templar forums. It's so unproductive. "sub-par!" "Lack-luster!" "nerf after nerf after nerf!" whine whine.
If you want something, ask for it. Be specific and quit the crying. Keep it simple. Or....play another class.
SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have:
- the worst mobility (no Major Expedition, Minor Expedition locked behind expensive heal, and self-snaring channels)
- the worst CC options (no unblockable stun, no root, non-CC abilities that stupidly give the target CC immunity)
- the worst resource sustain (getting worse if the Rune Focus change makes it out of the PTS)
- the worst ultimates (our options are so bad that Magplars slot Dawnbreaker)
- the second-worst DPS (second only to the Warden, who has none of the above problems)
And the one thing we're supposed to be good at, healing, is a constant target for senseless nerfs:
- We no longer have class access to Major Mending.
- Breath of Life secondary heal has been trashed. Sorc Twilight is now a better group burst heal.
- Healing Ritual cost is borderline malicious for such a pathetically short range.
- Repentance is worthless in boss fights and selfish in group content.
- Cleansing Ritual cost was increased for PvP reasons with no damage/healing buff to compensate PvE players.
It's crystal clear to anyone with two spare neurons to rub together that the combat dev team has an extreme bias against the Templar. Worst of all, this is all very easy to fix and much of it could be done in only a few hours of work from a competent developer armed with a simple action plan:
- Radial Sweep: +25% buff to the DOT component (and resist the urge to nerf us with a cost increase)
- Radiant Ward: make this morph scale with Max Magicka and grant Major Expedition
- Balanced Warrior: change this to 2/4% more damage done and less damage taken
- Sun Fire: add 1 second to the base duration, change the buff from Major Prophecy to Minor Force
- Breath of Life: make it hit self + 2 allies, healing all targets for 66% of the amount that Honor the Dead gives
- Cleansing Ritual: increase the damage and healing values by 15%
- Sacred Ground: Add Major Sorcery to the effects of the passive
The changes above would add approximately 3-6k DPS to a typical Magplar (depending on skill setup), gently bumping them closer to other classes. It would also let us get our buffs without potions, so we could choose to use different potions (like every other class already gets to do).
There are some other much-needed fixes, but they would legitimately take a bit more time (unlike those above, which could be completed in an afternoon):
- Aurora Javelin: pull instead of knockback
- Spear Shards: consolidate both current morphs into one for DPS and healers. On the other, replace the DOT with an AOE root
- Burning Light: change to a per-target cooldown, double the cooldown duration to compensate
- Hasty Prayer: make this morph an AOE HOT aura instead of a burst and reduce the cost. Keep the speed buff
- Repentance: go back to giving all allies the stamina
I have two Templars i'm attempting to level up.. And honestly its just a horrible class, the skills are weak and pointless the defense at low levels is horrendous.. I try for hours to play these things and just die everytime to things my nightblades, wardens and Sorcerers murder in seconds...
What gives seriously why are templars so horrible to level up and does anyone have a low level build that works as good dps.. (not healer, or tank)
My magplar is lv 29
Mt stamplar is lv 31..
Its like watching grass grow to level these weak things.. maybe i should delete these things..
Doesnt really make a difference, all these pvp nayysayers are lyin out thier ass anyway, the only templars worth thier salt in pvp are healers, theres 4 magplar dps left across NA and most stamplars went nb, a few went warden cuz craz's warden best fit paladin playstyle.
I play both a healer and a dps Magplar in pvp. I feel quite capable in both roles. Not lying out my ass either. I do think Magplar dps could use more boost, but I've also witnessed 2 years of forum complaints about how it's the "end of the world" for Templars. And I've also read the same from other classes claiming how their class is over as well. That's just the way people on the forums are. And it always boggles my mind if they think their RL is coming to an end, too.
Our entire templar kit has been trashed and ground up into little pieces spreqd out here and there. We had key passives and abilities stripped from us and replaced with sub-par, mag-only lack luster skills. And have been recieving nerfs for 4 years straight.
Can a skilled player be productive on a templar?
-No where near as much as that player on any other class. Period.
Ahh...I see. You're also one of those "Templars are the worst. cry cry " forum people. And that's a reminder for me to quit posting in Templar forums. It's so unproductive. "sub-par!" "Lack-luster!" "nerf after nerf after nerf!" whine whine.
If you want something, ask for it. Be specific and quit the crying. Keep it simple. Or....play another class.
-From beta to live, 1st sustain nerf. Was enough to drop magplar to 4th place in dps.
-stamplar dps bottom of the barrel since day 1
-Was bis as healer/tank for dungeons untill zos killed that.
-actually not as good as a healer as a sorc once the inception of orbs, then buff to matriarch.
-templar dps bottom of the barrel since day 1 early release, dk out tanks, but shards and ritual are needed, so templars become pigeon held into healer position. Which is then nerfed into the ground when wardens came out.
Literally 4 years of starting out as the bottom of the barrel with nerfs after nerfs. Have u even played another class? The difference is staggering.
webrgesner wrote: »Doesnt really make a difference, all these pvp nayysayers are lyin out thier ass anyway, the only templars worth thier salt in pvp are healers, theres 4 magplar dps left across NA and most stamplars went nb, a few went warden cuz craz's warden best fit paladin playstyle.
I play both a healer and a dps Magplar in pvp. I feel quite capable in both roles. Not lying out my ass either. I do think Magplar dps could use more boost, but I've also witnessed 2 years of forum complaints about how it's the "end of the world" for Templars. And I've also read the same from other classes claiming how their class is over as well. That's just the way people on the forums are. And it always boggles my mind if they think their RL is coming to an end, too.
Our entire templar kit has been trashed and ground up into little pieces spreqd out here and there. We had key passives and abilities stripped from us and replaced with sub-par, mag-only lack luster skills. And have been recieving nerfs for 4 years straight.
Can a skilled player be productive on a templar?
-No where near as much as that player on any other class. Period.
Ahh...I see. You're also one of those "Templars are the worst. cry cry " forum people. And that's a reminder for me to quit posting in Templar forums. It's so unproductive. "sub-par!" "Lack-luster!" "nerf after nerf after nerf!" whine whine.
If you want something, ask for it. Be specific and quit the crying. Keep it simple. Or....play another class.
-From beta to live, 1st sustain nerf. Was enough to drop magplar to 4th place in dps.
-stamplar dps bottom of the barrel since day 1
-Was bis as healer/tank for dungeons untill zos killed that.
-actually not as good as a healer as a sorc once the inception of orbs, then buff to matriarch.
-templar dps bottom of the barrel since day 1 early release, dk out tanks, but shards and ritual are needed, so templars become pigeon held into healer position. Which is then nerfed into the ground when wardens came out.
Literally 4 years of starting out as the bottom of the barrel with nerfs after nerfs. Have u even played another class? The difference is staggering.
Youre wrong. I main PvE Stamblade and maxed out 46k dps and i saw my friends clip he used a stamplar and maxed out 48k dps.
SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Templars have:
- the worst mobility (no Major Expedition, Minor Expedition locked behind expensive heal, and self-snaring channels)
- the worst CC options (no unblockable stun, no root, non-CC abilities that stupidly give the target CC immunity)
- the worst resource sustain (getting worse if the Rune Focus change makes it out of the PTS)
- the worst ultimates (our options are so bad that Magplars slot Dawnbreaker)
- the second-worst DPS (second only to the Warden, who has none of the above problems)
Afaik wardens dont have cc ability, and worse ultimate than templars ( thats for sure).
Thanks anyway to all i've made a dragon knight instead good luck with templars.. I'll try them again when and if Zos ever decides the hate for them is over..
coplannb16_ESO wrote: »I laughed hard at at the statement that templars have the worst mobility. Dks do along with having the lowest range, the crappiest passives and the most expensive skills. at least you got a reliable gap closer that is not an Ultimate.
webrgesner wrote: »Doesnt really make a difference, all these pvp nayysayers are lyin out thier ass anyway, the only templars worth thier salt in pvp are healers, theres 4 magplar dps left across NA and most stamplars went nb, a few went warden cuz craz's warden best fit paladin playstyle.
I play both a healer and a dps Magplar in pvp. I feel quite capable in both roles. Not lying out my ass either. I do think Magplar dps could use more boost, but I've also witnessed 2 years of forum complaints about how it's the "end of the world" for Templars. And I've also read the same from other classes claiming how their class is over as well. That's just the way people on the forums are. And it always boggles my mind if they think their RL is coming to an end, too.
Our entire templar kit has been trashed and ground up into little pieces spreqd out here and there. We had key passives and abilities stripped from us and replaced with sub-par, mag-only lack luster skills. And have been recieving nerfs for 4 years straight.
Can a skilled player be productive on a templar?
-No where near as much as that player on any other class. Period.
Ahh...I see. You're also one of those "Templars are the worst. cry cry " forum people. And that's a reminder for me to quit posting in Templar forums. It's so unproductive. "sub-par!" "Lack-luster!" "nerf after nerf after nerf!" whine whine.
If you want something, ask for it. Be specific and quit the crying. Keep it simple. Or....play another class.
-From beta to live, 1st sustain nerf. Was enough to drop magplar to 4th place in dps.
-stamplar dps bottom of the barrel since day 1
-Was bis as healer/tank for dungeons untill zos killed that.
-actually not as good as a healer as a sorc once the inception of orbs, then buff to matriarch.
-templar dps bottom of the barrel since day 1 early release, dk out tanks, but shards and ritual are needed, so templars become pigeon held into healer position. Which is then nerfed into the ground when wardens came out.
Literally 4 years of starting out as the bottom of the barrel with nerfs after nerfs. Have u even played another class? The difference is staggering.
Youre wrong. I main PvE Stamblade and maxed out 46k dps and i saw my friends clip he used a stamplar and maxed out 48k dps.