Fengrush's Emperor stream or similar content would sell this game

Thogard · July 2018

Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t fengrush take a pretty long break from streaming / ESO and only start back up a few months ago?

Regardless, he’s good press for the game IMO. One of the least toxic streamers.

DuskMarine · July 2018

Thogard wrote: »

Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t fengrush take a pretty long break from streaming / ESO and only start back up a few months ago?

Regardless, he’s good press for the game IMO. One of the least toxic streamers.

nah he took a break from streaming but not eso. i think he went on vacation for a bit or his actual job picked up i cant remember. since hes said he has a IT job if i remember right

Wifeaggro13 · July 2018

Kalitas wrote: »

I'm not sure how many caught his stream yesterday. That should have been sponsored/had drops enabled. I know they said they've had conversations with him in this thread:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425303/eso-drops-should-be-for-all-streamers/p3

That stream would have sold copies of this game. As it stands, there were already people in the chat asking questions and discussing how epic the game looked. People who watch Fengrush from other games he has played. I see today that yogscast are reviewing thrones with drops enabled on a sponsored stream. That's fine content. I'm sure people are enjoying that stream. Although, it doesn't quite bring the hype or the biceps like that emperor stream last night did. Cyrodiil is some of the most engaging content this game. Especially when it performs well. Sotha was performing well last night and the game looked great. Incredible really. I think most of the player-base can agree that sales are good for all of us. I'm not posting this to highlight specifically Fengrush, most of the community engaged in this game already know who he is. I'm posting this because I believe that sort of content is what should be highlighted and would sell ESO to new players. When gamers see streams that involve the community, it makes them want to get involved. Fengrush leading his Orc army, breathing new life into Sotha and putting on a good show while doing it? That sells games. Big plays and engaging content such as that will sell copies.

If anyone hasn't seen it yet I suggest viewing towards the end of the stream during one of his last stands at Aleswell. My point in posting this is to get discussion going around what sort of content is engaging to view. From a new player perspective.

It might sell copies but it won't keep players. The game design is a current turn style cash grab on crown store. PVE is absolute joke . A linear progression system has done nothing to attract and hold player retention. Zos is making money off people who actually dont play their content . Its bazaar and the true competitor community in PVP has been abandoned by developers

BRogueNZ · July 2018

Maybe, you have to put things in perspective, he has a lot of viewers but compared to other games and streamers the numbers are still low. I mean if Burke Black can pull 3k+ viewers on a sponsored stream I think that's the kind of attention zos wants, a new player with full graphical beauty, having RP fun totally oblivious to the faults and frustrations the game has.

eso_nya · July 2018

ppl who dont own the game cant get the twitch boxes.

ppl who can get the twitch boxes, already bought the game.

I dont see how enabling drops for his stream would help sell more copies?

Kalitas · July 2018

eso_nya wrote: »

ppl who dont own the game cant get the twitch boxes.

ppl who can get the twitch boxes, already bought the game.

I dont see how enabling drops for his stream would help sell more copies?

By not only boosting the visibility of the game in general but boosting that style of content as well.

eso_nya · July 2018

Kalitas wrote: »

eso_nya wrote: »

ppl who dont own the game cant get the twitch boxes.

ppl who can get the twitch boxes, already bought the game.

I dont see how enabling drops for his stream would help sell more copies?

By boosting the visibility of it in general.

A pic of a pretty girl in the bottom left corner and a great voicemod software r far beter for that.

Shadowmaster · July 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

actually its not private information theyve sold millions of copies of the game it was mentioned on a previous eso live

Yep, and Todd Howard said Fallout wouldn't be FPS limited. But it was.

And Pete Hines said Morrowind wasn't DLC when ESO+ users wanted it for free. Now I have a huge ad every time I log in saying buy the Morrowind DLC.

As a data analyst, until I see the data, I don't believe ANYONE about the numbers. Every single person mentioning them has some sort of incentive to present them one way or another.

Link the data please, or stop alleging you have it.

Shadowmaster · July 2018

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Streamer #'s for ESO on twitch are really sad. Usually on a good stream there are maybe 2-3k viewers, go into the real life section and some hottie in yoga pants making oatmeal will have 200k viewers. I don't think there's much use for marketing dollars on Twitch from ESO.

ZoS waited until 4 years in to start seeing streamers as a funnel. Worse yet, the PvP and trials PvE that make people watch are the worst performing parts of this game. Just like people turn off Doc and Shroud when PUBG is playing like crap, people turn off ESO streamers who are getting lag/frozen etc. If they fix those poor performing aspects of the game, and keep the twitch promotions going, it may be enough to revive the dying presence online.

technohic · July 2018

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Thats gonna be a no from me dog.

Not everyone is a huge fan of the streamer you are a fanbois of.

Not everyone can be summed up as either a fanboy or hater either. Some can just appreciate the content they provide when they find it interesting

Kalitas · July 2018

Shadowmaster wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Streamer #'s for ESO on twitch are really sad. Usually on a good stream there are maybe 2-3k viewers, go into the real life section and some hottie in yoga pants making oatmeal will have 200k viewers. I don't think there's much use for marketing dollars on Twitch from ESO.

ZoS waited until 4 years in to start seeing streamers as a funnel. Worse yet, the PvP and trials PvE that make people watch are the worst performing parts of this game. Just like people turn off Doc and Shroud when PUBG is playing like crap, people turn off ESO streamers who are getting lag/frozen etc. If they fix those poor performing aspects of the game, and keep the twitch promotions going, it may be enough to revive the dying presence online.

I completely agree with this. It's one of the main reasons I wanted to make this post. It's most likely not going to improve if we stop talking about what can be done to fix it/the incentive to fix it.

AhPook_Is_Here · July 2018

Shadowmaster wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Streamer #'s for ESO on twitch are really sad. Usually on a good stream there are maybe 2-3k viewers, go into the real life section and some hottie in yoga pants making oatmeal will have 200k viewers. I don't think there's much use for marketing dollars on Twitch from ESO.

ZoS waited until 4 years in to start seeing streamers as a funnel. Worse yet, the PvP and trials PvE that make people watch are the worst performing parts of this game. Just like people turn off Doc and Shroud when PUBG is playing like crap, people turn off ESO streamers who are getting lag/frozen etc. If they fix those poor performing aspects of the game, and keep the twitch promotions going, it may be enough to revive the dying presence online.

I agree with your argument, but I don't think twitch is going to sell a lot of boxes for ZoS; even if technical fixes that after years of discussion they still haven't been willing or able to make were done, i don't think it would have a huge impact on viewership. Twitch drops won't rope people in who don't already have the game, i don't think many of anyone would buy a new game just to get a twitch drop.

The most populated streams are usually good entertainers, and that is what twitch really sells, the personality or whatever other assets the presenter has, not the thing they are doing, but the process of the person who is doing it.

MMOs in general are also very boring to watch other people play. Its like going to vegas to watch people play slots instead of just playing them yourself. MMOs at their core are gambling games, the combat mechanics are tedious and the fights are usually long and boring in PVE, in PVP a new viewer just sees a ton of sparkly lights and rings and balls and numbers and it just looks stupid. Anyway, like i said, I don't think you are wrong, i just don't think there is money to be made for them there.

Preyfar · July 2018

I don't see how streamers really sell the game. I've watched a few particular streamers, and half the stream was literally just them complaining about ZOS and the state of the game. That's not really great PR, and it seems like most of the people in the streams already played ESO -- most seemed like they were there hoping for crate drops.

If your experience/introduction to the game is from somebody constantly complaining about it... I dunno. That's not really putting your best foot forward, no? I don't see why ZOS would want to sponsor that. ESO isn't really competitive, and the action is kind of limited. In an FPS game you've got people reacting non-stop to changing environments, other players who are constantly going after you, and fairly dynamic gameplay. ESO is straight forward -- even in PVP for the most part.

Vercingetorix · July 2018

Sell what? Most of the player base is on consoles and the performance there is trash. One guy on PC with friends in opposite alliances sabotaging the enemy factions to make his emperor stream more "marketable" is hardly representative of the true game experience. Try a stream on XB or PS4 with a constant barrage of freezes and nothing but 40+ vs 40+ fights all night long triggering even more freezes - THAT'S the real experience of ESO's PvP.

Hurbster · July 2018

I have never watched any twitch streams and I have no intention of starting now.

King_Thelon · July 2018

Shadowmaster wrote: »

King_Thelon wrote: »

This game sold way more copies when 1vXers streamed everyday. Zergsurfing on an emp build pales in comparison.

Thats a hell of a statement about a private companies sales that have never been released.

I give 99.999999999% odds you are talking out of your rear and have no clue what the sales figures are.

How's the view down there @Shadowmaster ?

Cpt_Teemo · July 2018

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Streamer #'s for ESO on twitch are really sad. Usually on a good stream there are maybe 2-3k viewers, go into the real life section and some hottie in yoga pants making oatmeal will have 200k viewers. I don't think there's much use for marketing dollars on Twitch from ESO.

At this moment the highest pop ESO twitch channel has ~200 people watching, 12k people are watching a girl on her smart phone. To me that says it all.

The only one in the 200k is Fort Nite usually

Zorgon_The_Revenged · July 2018

Thogard wrote: »

Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t fengrush take a pretty long break from streaming / ESO and only start back up a few months ago?

Regardless, he’s good press for the game IMO. One of the least toxic streamers.

I used to watch fengrush after I saw him, sypherPK, kingRichard and LeftyLucy on their "We Are ESO" podcast, that was over 2 years ago I think. They all left the game for other things after putting up with the PvP problems for so long (like myself and so many other players). Only fengrush and sypher have returned every so often as far as I know, the other two played BDO for quite a while.

I honestly only started to watch him because I wanted to know why he seemed so salty, turned out it was high consumption of ESO PvP causing excess salt in the body....same as myself and other players at the time.

Girl_Number8 · July 2018

Feanor wrote: »

What would sell the game even more is a better server/client performance and less balance issues.

This~^

dennissomb16_ESO · July 2018

If a popular streamer from another game (go right now and look under fortnite as an example) with 30 thousand followers became an avid ESO player/streamer then you might seem some significant sales. Realistically when looking at ESO streamers numbers I would guess (just my guess, no factual information) that a majority of the people watching the ESO streamers are existing ESO players

MaxwellC · July 2018

Hence why streamers typically get more recognition/treatment from the developers as they help advertise the game. I like @FENGRUSH because he doesn't b.s he keeps it real unlike other streamers who IMO kiss the devs butt.

CiliPadi · July 2018

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Better QoS sell this game.

This x1000 times over.

Jake1576 · July 2018

Kalitas wrote: »

I'm not sure how many caught his stream yesterday. That should have been sponsored/had drops enabled. I know they said they've had conversations with him in this thread:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425303/eso-drops-should-be-for-all-streamers/p3

That stream would have sold copies of this game. As it stands, there were already people in the chat asking questions and discussing how epic the game looked. People who watch Fengrush from other games he has played. I see today that yogscast are reviewing thrones with drops enabled on a sponsored stream. That's fine content. I'm sure people are enjoying that stream. Although, it doesn't quite bring the hype or the biceps like that emperor stream last night did. Cyrodiil is some of the most engaging content this game. Especially when it performs well. Sotha was performing well last night and the game looked great. Incredible really. I think most of the player-base can agree that sales are good for all of us. I'm not posting this to highlight specifically Fengrush, most of the community engaged in this game already know who he is. I'm posting this because I believe that sort of content is what should be highlighted and would sell ESO to new players. When gamers see streams that involve the community, it makes them want to get involved. Fengrush leading his Orc army, breathing new life into Sotha and putting on a good show while doing it? That sells games. Big plays and engaging content such as that will sell copies.

If anyone hasn't seen it yet I suggest viewing towards the end of the stream during one of his last stands at Aleswell. My point in posting this is to get discussion going around what sort of content is engaging to view. From a new player perspective.

Less PC streamers and more console streamers

Heimpai · July 2018

Jake1576 wrote: »

Kalitas wrote: »

I'm not sure how many caught his stream yesterday. That should have been sponsored/had drops enabled. I know they said they've had conversations with him in this thread:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425303/eso-drops-should-be-for-all-streamers/p3

That stream would have sold copies of this game. As it stands, there were already people in the chat asking questions and discussing how epic the game looked. People who watch Fengrush from other games he has played. I see today that yogscast are reviewing thrones with drops enabled on a sponsored stream. That's fine content. I'm sure people are enjoying that stream. Although, it doesn't quite bring the hype or the biceps like that emperor stream last night did. Cyrodiil is some of the most engaging content this game. Especially when it performs well. Sotha was performing well last night and the game looked great. Incredible really. I think most of the player-base can agree that sales are good for all of us. I'm not posting this to highlight specifically Fengrush, most of the community engaged in this game already know who he is. I'm posting this because I believe that sort of content is what should be highlighted and would sell ESO to new players. When gamers see streams that involve the community, it makes them want to get involved. Fengrush leading his Orc army, breathing new life into Sotha and putting on a good show while doing it? That sells games. Big plays and engaging content such as that will sell copies.

If anyone hasn't seen it yet I suggest viewing towards the end of the stream during one of his last stands at Aleswell. My point in posting this is to get discussion going around what sort of content is engaging to view. From a new player perspective.

Less PC streamers and more console streamers

Why would anyone want to watch that mess? From what i hear it’s near unplayable

Wifeaggro13 · July 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

Hence why streamers typically get more recognition/treatment from the developers as they help advertise the game. I like @FENGRUSH because he doesn't b.s he keeps it real unlike other streamers who IMO kiss the devs butt.

Fengrush has been brutally honest in his streams and reviews of content

Ankael07 · July 2018

Feanor wrote: »

What would sell the game even more is a better server/client performance and less balance issues.

This. ''The game looked great'' is an illusion that would only lure then make people upset in the long run

Sandman929 · July 2018

Heimpai wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

Kalitas wrote: »

I'm not sure how many caught his stream yesterday. That should have been sponsored/had drops enabled. I know they said they've had conversations with him in this thread:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425303/eso-drops-should-be-for-all-streamers/p3

That stream would have sold copies of this game. As it stands, there were already people in the chat asking questions and discussing how epic the game looked. People who watch Fengrush from other games he has played. I see today that yogscast are reviewing thrones with drops enabled on a sponsored stream. That's fine content. I'm sure people are enjoying that stream. Although, it doesn't quite bring the hype or the biceps like that emperor stream last night did. Cyrodiil is some of the most engaging content this game. Especially when it performs well. Sotha was performing well last night and the game looked great. Incredible really. I think most of the player-base can agree that sales are good for all of us. I'm not posting this to highlight specifically Fengrush, most of the community engaged in this game already know who he is. I'm posting this because I believe that sort of content is what should be highlighted and would sell ESO to new players. When gamers see streams that involve the community, it makes them want to get involved. Fengrush leading his Orc army, breathing new life into Sotha and putting on a good show while doing it? That sells games. Big plays and engaging content such as that will sell copies.

If anyone hasn't seen it yet I suggest viewing towards the end of the stream during one of his last stands at Aleswell. My point in posting this is to get discussion going around what sort of content is engaging to view. From a new player perspective.

Less PC streamers and more console streamers

Why would anyone want to watch that mess? From what i hear it’s near unplayable

You heard wrong, it was completely unplayable. But the fixes today seemed to work.

Cpt_Teemo · July 2018

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

Hence why streamers typically get more recognition/treatment from the developers as they help advertise the game. I like @FENGRUSH because he doesn't b.s he keeps it real unlike other streamers who IMO kiss the devs butt.

Fengrush has been brutally honest in his streams and reviews of content

Agreed I love Fengrush even though I hate pvp I always watch the stream

Ragebull · July 2018

I love ESO, but it's an aging game with zero pop culture influence. There's only so much that can be accomplished with streams

Jack_Handey · July 2018

At this point while I play I stopped watching TV and I just watch his past streams, very entertaining and fun, if you play alone a lot like myself I highly recommend giving his twitch channel a try and join the ORC army!