Zeni, are you aware that you have destroyed the game economy?

Cously · July 2018

Crown to gold would theoretically eliminate gold sellers. I can see that being a problem with how the guild trader bidding system is. Pay real money for stuff in game always happened, ZOS made it easier, you have more people doing it now. Still large chances of one being scammed so the system has a risk to it. The way ZOS did is clear to me that's what they wanted to happen, people buy more stuff from Crown store, but without getting the heat of controversy regarding cash shop/game currency conversion. Anyone with a brain see this strategy and it would just look better for them to come clean with it and implement the conversion system like GW2. It's already too late to put it back into the box so liking or not we have to deal with it from now on.

swippy · July 2018

Eldartar wrote: »

'Destroying the economy' I am all for it ....... 200,000+ gold for 1 motif page....... Yes, lets have more of that ........ NOT!!

But, I don't actually see any change in the game economy, if anything I see an increase in prices (more's the pity) so all you greed traders should be happy making more millions.

I'd seriously like to see ZoS CAP prices!!! and before you all start moaning, I am entitled to my opinion, deal with it.

that's very open-minded of you to pre-characterize any disagreement as "moaning"
but the economy's fine. OP hasn't bothered to present any evidence of it having been "destroyed" and stopped replying to the thread when any possible counterarguments were pre-emptively dismantled.

and the prices are already capped. it'll take you some extra effort to sell something for more than 21M

your opinion is misguided. umm, deal with it?

Hokiewa · July 2018

exeeter702 wrote: »

Fiktius wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Fiktius wrote: »

Aesthier wrote: »

All this sounds like to me is a bunch of people frustrated they will no longer have a monopoly on the market.

And what would stop them exactly?
Those people who already have enough gold to maintain price manipulation market wide for weeks, they surely can compete with people who are trying to have an impact on markets by using real money for the game.

Only annoying impact of gold buyers via crowns is that smaller guilds have a chance to take a top trader spot for a week, yet to find out how one week later they are outbid again with mega bid. Then smaller guilds may realize that their current tax income and donations might not be even close to compensate the giant gold sink which bidding mega bids to trader practically is. If the smaller guild is willing to open wallet again for dropping even higher bid for the top spot again, all what I can say about it is:

"Good luck with that."

Those that make their gold from crown gifting dont need traders to make gold

Obviously. They are free to burn their real money into virtual currency inside a game. ZOS won't mind at all.

You say that like its a bad thing. It isnt. My disposable income is not the same as someone elses. Which doesnt even conisder the fact that i now have a way to make use of my monthly stipend from eso+

"Burning their money"....

Lol.

Very valid point. Typically, most people that are so vehemently opposed to this are the ones that have the time and not the disposable income. I don't judge how people spend their money or their time as long as I'm not paying for it. Lol, aside from food, shelter, and medicine, aren't we all burning our money?

mightyskrollan · July 2018

Ops.. well I admit that the english there was a fail. Luckily there's an edit feature.
But glad there are people pointing on my non-native language on a "friendly" way. Thank you..

I guess the meaning was understandable though

Turelus · July 2018

sadownik wrote: »

Ahnog wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Being able to buy in game money for real life money doesn't harm the economy, it stimulates it.

There is no new gold being injected into the game, it's just being moved around the playerbase. This means more gold with more players rather than stored only with the richest ones who won't buy materials etc. because they rarely need them.
The people buying gold for crowns want that gold to spend, either on housing/NPC items (gold sinks) or on items via the traders from players (movement of funds, good for economy and trading).

Note that EVE Online has had the option to buy in game currency for real life money via their PLEX system for years and that game has one of the most complex and well functioning economies in MMO gaming.

Edit to make it read a little better.

So does Guild Wars 2

Guild Wars was designed from ground up with that in mind, ESO sadly is not.

Effect of crown trading will be seen more soon, logging in lately after long time and i already see guild leader of trade guild whining that he had to sell crowns to get rade post cause members didnt cough up more gold. Many, many people still dont know its official and legal to trade those now but the news will spread.

That's been an issue with the trader system long before this was a feature.

Guild masters who want to keep their spots but have guild members unwilling to donate or can't make high volume high cost sales will have to front some money themselves.
The fact the guild leader went to selling crowns in order to do that was on him, no one forced him to sell crowns vs finding other means within the game to get the gold.

ZOS_JesC · July 2018

Greetings, we've removed a few more nonconstructive comments that were derailing the thread. This is a reminder to stay on topic and civil when posting. Thank you.

Stinkyremy · July 2018

They consistently destroy the games economy.
Every event destroys someones effort. Last event all alchemy reagents were given freely from the boxes so reagent were cheap, so there goes the flower pickers wallets, before that was motif farmers, bouyant went down 100s of K
Outfit system and transmute system has *** master crafters completely. No one will even pay for a unique crafted set anymore as they either wear a costume or change it in the outfit system. Jewellery crafting has actually harmed crafters too as we cant make money from it because the mats are too grindy to acquire, so too expensive to sell.

Tbh I think ZOS are either stupid, don't care, or are in collusion with the IRL gold sellers, because there are well known people in the game who have a monopoly in the game and sell gold for IRL cash, but ZOS doesn't do anything about it. What they continue to do though, is make it harder for the average hard working/farming player to make a successful trade in the game.

DuskMarine · July 2018

Stinkyremy wrote: »

They consistently destroy the games economy.
Every event destroys someones effort. Last event all alchemy reagents were given freely from the boxes so reagent were cheap, so there goes the flower pickers wallets, before that was motif farmers, bouyant went down 100s of K
Outfit system and transmute system has *** master crafters completely. No one will even pay for a unique crafted set anymore as they either wear a costume or change it in the outfit system. Jewellery crafting has actually harmed crafters too as we cant make money from it because the mats are too grindy to acquire, so too expensive to sell.

Tbh I think ZOS are either stupid, don't care, or are in collusion with the IRL gold sellers, because there are well known people in the game who have a monopoly in the game and sell gold for IRL cash, but ZOS doesn't do anything about it. What they continue to do though, is make it harder for the average hard working/farming player to make a successful trade in the game.

theres some guilds who will not allow them to sell crowns commercially. so really the economy is fine people still buy everything else.

LadyNalcarya · July 2018

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Tbh I think ZOS are either stupid, don't care, or are in collusion with the IRL gold sellers, because there are well known people in the game who have a monopoly in the game and sell gold for IRL cash, but ZOS doesn't do anything about it. What they continue to do though, is make it harder for the average hard working/farming player to make a successful trade in the game.

Crown selling has nothing to do with goldsellers. They dont want crown items, they want real money, simply because it is their "job" so to speak... They invest real money (buying accounts, paying for electricity/hardware/botting software and vpns) and they want to earn something from it. So this feature makes their life a bit more difficult in a way... Because buying gold for cash is bannable and crown trading isnt. Sure, there are some risks, but you wont get permabanned or something.
Of course, it wont eliminate goldsellers, but it allows legit players to get cosmetics without spending real money, and that's a big plus for me.

swippy · July 2018

the businesses that make these games are far more concerned with real-life economics than they are with the little sea-monkey ecosphere they might have accidentally created. there might be some good and interested folks who try to tweak things with an eye toward the economics of Second Era Tamriel, but their boss doesn't care about the average cost of Rosin across 6 different servers.

their boss is either turning our interest into profit, or she isn't.

now that the players who want to offload their gold stockpiles can hit up the people with Crowns-to-spare without violating TOS, the boss has 2 less problems to worry about.