not sorcs need nerf, absorb shields do.

The "nerf sorc" meme isn't going anywhere.

Luckily, ZOS is aware that it's mostly unsubstantiated garbage. I have faith that they won't gut the class.

usmguy1234 wrote: »

As we all know the sorc nerf cries have reached a fevered pitch. What do you plan to do to prepare for the storm?

@DenMoria you like those poll options? seem kinda ... what would you call them?

Even if they did nerf sorcs it would probably be a lackluster nerf.

I cant recall in recent memory a meaningful change to sorcs in general which "gutted" them.

generalmyrick wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

As we all know the sorc nerf cries have reached a fevered pitch. What do you plan to do to prepare for the storm?

@DenMoria you like those poll options? seem kinda ... what would you call them?

I'd call it a BS strawman poll. "Nerf sorc" memes have been around since the beginning of this game.

OP is new around these parts and has mistakenly interpreted this as proof of some hypothetical nerfstorm for sorcs. Then he made a poll about this, and led it off with his assumption, presenting it as fact.

Strawman poll.

Sergykid wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

not sorcs need nerf, absorb shields do.

On what basis? Shields are the only method of survival in PvE, and they're already nerfed in half for PvP.

Explain why they need to be nerfed further or I'm calling BS.

shields are ridiculously high and as sorc i heal either with resto staff or the pet, in PVE i don't even use shields. More over it, you can stack them with the class shields and it gets ridiculously high. It's stupid to be on full offensive and full defensive at the same time, like sorcs do.

You don't do Trials then. If you're not having to shield in PvE, you're not doing the hard stuff. Sorcs have had shields nerfed time and again, and each time it's been because of PvP.

Nobody double stacks shields, its a waste of resources. Every mag class has access to Annulment, and every non-sorc class uses it.

Sorcs get a stronger version of that shield because that's part of their class identity. They are supposed to have slightly higher defenses in exchange for slightly lower damage output. That's how the devs wanted sorcs to be.

There is a reason sorcs haven't been BiS in mag DPS for a long time. If you want top tier DPS, you go magblade these days.

Both you and OP seem to be new here, so maybe you don't know that.

Phage wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

As we all know the sorc nerf cries have reached a fevered pitch. What do you plan to do to prepare for the storm?

@DenMoria you like those poll options? seem kinda ... what would you call them?

I'd call it a BS strawman poll. "Nerf sorc" memes have been around since the beginning of this game.

OP is new around these parts and has mistakenly interpreted this as proof of some hypothetical nerfstorm for sorcs. Then he made a poll about this, and led it off with his assumption, presenting it as fact.

Strawman poll.

Not exactly my intent... but good try I guess.

Intentions are moot. You led off a poll with an assumption and/or inference you made, both of which are incorrect.

If the premise is flawed, so is the poll.

So, how is it an assumption when Zos already nerfed rune cage on the first iteration of the pts?

DuskMarine wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

not sorcs need nerf, absorb shields do.

On what basis? Shields are the only method of survival in PvE, and they're already nerfed in half for PvP.

Explain why they need to be nerfed further or I'm calling BS.

shields are ridiculously high and as sorc i heal either with resto staff or the pet, in PVE i don't even use shields. More over it, you can stack them with the class shields and it gets ridiculously high. It's stupid to be on full offensive and full defensive at the same time, like sorcs do.

You don't do Trials then. If you're not having to shield in PvE, you're not doing the hard stuff. Sorcs have had shields nerfed time and again, and each time it's been because of PvP.

Nobody double stacks shields, its a waste of resources. Every mag class has access to Annulment, and every non-sorc class uses it.

Sorcs get a stronger version of that shield because that's part of their class identity. They are supposed to have slightly higher defenses in exchange for slightly lower damage output. That's how the devs wanted sorcs to be.

There is a reason sorcs haven't been BiS in mag DPS for a long time. If you want top tier DPS, you go magblade these days.

Both you and OP seem to be new here, so maybe you don't know that.

heres the thing if i can stack a shield on top of me(pet sorc btw) and i can hit almost a 30k shield on top of my already 18k health. yea shields need a nerf to reduce the maximum to say 10-15k because their litterally overpowered. again if i can live through something as a dps that only a tank should live through there is something wrong and makes the ability broken. so your whole point is flawed cause he may not pve but even some of us in pve think its broken and should be fixed.

That's flawed thinking. You can easily achieve a high shield using annulment. You can't nerf that, because it affects every mag class.

Likewise, you can't nerf conjured ward, because that's the shield that most sorcs use. And you can't nerf it below annulment, because it would become an unused skill.

ZOS has struck a balance between the two, by giving annulment a resource return morph and sorcs only get minor intel. Annulment is slightly less effective a shield than conjured ward, as it should be.

I don't know what you're asking for here. I literally know no one who stacks these shields, except maybe the oddball in vMA (which shouldn't matter, since its solo and everyone has access to sorc).

As I see it, the shields are balance as much as they can be.

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

As we all know the sorc nerf cries have reached a fevered pitch. What do you plan to do to prepare for the storm?

@DenMoria you like those poll options? seem kinda ... what would you call them?

I'd call it a BS strawman poll. "Nerf sorc" memes have been around since the beginning of this game.

OP is new around these parts and has mistakenly interpreted this as proof of some hypothetical nerfstorm for sorcs. Then he made a poll about this, and led it off with his assumption, presenting it as fact.

Strawman poll.

Not exactly my intent... but good try I guess.

Intentions are moot. You led off a poll with an assumption and/or inference you made, both of which are incorrect.

If the premise is flawed, so is the poll.

So, how is it an assumption when Zos already nerfed rune cage on the first iteration of the pts?

Because they made at least one nerf on each class, every PTS. That's not proof of some nerf-ocalypse.

Rune cage was also a mistake of their own making, from an earlier PTS. They're just adjusting it, and the adjustment they made isn't even the one they need. It's barely a nerf.

Biased poll. Where's the "There is no issue with Sorcerers - just children that don't like losing in a video game" option?

A bad player will blame literally anything on their failure besides themselves. I had one guy in my group a few days ago complain that "rocks were OP because kiting on them was unfair - rocks shouldn't be climbable". ZoS could nerf Sorcerers and every proc set in the game, but the blame would simply shift to something else. Children never take responsibility for their failure and learn from it. They expect to be catered to and as such, never improve themselves as a result which perpetuates the cycle when something new is added to the game.

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Biased poll. Where's the "There is no issue with Sorcerers - just children that don't like losing in a video game" option?

A bad player will blame literally anything on their failure besides themselves. I had one guy in my group a few days ago complain that "rocks were OP because kiting on them was unfair - rocks shouldn't be climbable". ZoS could nerf Sorcerers and every proc set in the game, but the blame would simply shift to something else. Children never take responsibility for their failure and learn from it. They expect to be catered to and as such, never improve themselves as a result which perpetuates the cycle when something new is added to the game.

Where's the when a sorc main makes a poll so sneaky that other sorc mains don't realize it option. Oh wait....shhhh!

liamcatsmithb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't care what reason you give, the way Rune Prison is right now is unforgivable. Anyone saying it's not just wants to enjoy being overpowered for longer.

I agree Rune Prison needs to be changed.

I disagree that its a class problem. ZOS made the mistake of buffing it not that long ago; it's a ZOS problem. Sorcs dont' need to be nerfed, but Rune Prison does need to be adjusted (and not just the damage).