Inevitable sorc nerfs

Gilvoth

this is not going to happen.
there are not going to be sorc nerfs.

Sylosi

Vercingetorix wrote: »

A bad player will blame literally anything on their failure besides themselves.

Nice strawman.

generalmyrick

Continue to whine on the forums about sorcs.

nerfing sorcs would trigger and break the forums.

Colecovision

Continue to whine on the forums about sorcs.

I put continue to whine because I don't actually want a sorc nerf and I think keeping "nerfsorc" as a joke is better than real nerf sprc threads. The rune cage specific whining is very different than just shoving "nerf sorc" where it doesn't belong. I don't think the latter will ever get sorc nerfed.

Cously

Continue to whine on the forums about sorcs.

I hate sorcs. I kill sorcs. When they don't streak away like little p...I mean cats. Seriously, you can feel the desperation of the person on the other side of the PC smashing that streak buttom like their life depend on it. Being a DK since day 1, with nothing to lose because ZOS turned us into baby snakes, I will drink every single one sorc tears. You should add an option to complain about NBs once dorks...I mean sorcs are in the trash.

Vietfox

I've seen way more nerf nb cries, but okay...

Strider__Roshin

When the sorc nerfs finally come, I'll log into my magsorc again. Until then I have no desire to play such an OP class.

troomar

Ride it out. Once a sorc, always a sorc!

They should make Empowered Ward a stamina morph, so it scales with stamina. Like this, both magicka and stamina sorcerers would enjoy their shield. It would also add some survivability for stamina DPS and thus helps stamina DPS to be welcome in raids

Twohothardware

Rune Cage and Harness Magicka are all that need nerfed.

As somone that's hopped back onto a MagSorc some during Summerset due to just how OP they are right now they need to stop letting players run three shields. It's not necessary to have Hardened Ward and Harness Magicka and Healing Ward to be able to survive on a Sorc, it just makes you god mode when you do because on top of 3 shield stacking you can sustain almost forever when fighting Magicka players because of the Harness Magicka.

MagSorc is not a tank. It's a light armor burst damage dealer with Streak and Mines and Pets using Skills that have a 28m range to avoid taking a ton of damage. But right now with 3 shields and Resto Ult I can tank a whole zerg on me longer than I can on a StamDK or StamWarden in heavy armor with Troll King.

DenMoria

Ride it out. Once a sorc, always a sorc!

Twohothardware wrote: »

Rune Cage and Harness Magicka are all that need nerfed.

As somone that's hopped back onto a MagSorc some during Summerset due to just how OP they are right now they need to stop letting players run three shields. It's not necessary to have Hardened Ward and Harness Magicka and Healing Ward to be able to survive on a Sorc, it just makes you god mode when you do because on top of 3 shield stacking you can sustain almost forever when fighting Magicka players because of the Harness Magicka.

MagSorc is not a tank. It's a light armor burst damage dealer with Streak and Mines and Pets using Skills that have a 28m range to avoid taking a ton of damage. But right now with 3 shields and Resto Ult I can tank a whole zerg on me longer than I can on a StamDK or StamWarden in heavy armor with Troll King.

Good tip... let's see... Hardened Ward, Harness Magicka and Healing Ward stacked along with Streak,Mines, double pets... I'm thinking Altmer... maybe Breton... Hmmm... now hair colour and eyes...

DeadlyPhoenix

Ride it out. Once a sorc, always a sorc!

liamcatsmithb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't care what reason you give, the way Rune Prison is right now is unforgivable. Anyone saying it's not just wants to enjoy being overpowered for longer.

Just lol.... That's why 90% of the people I fight in BGs are all Stam builds... Stamina is so OP it's ridiculous. Extreme tankiness, extreme stamina regen, extreme DPS with no repercussion, access to tons of OP proc sets, access to tons of OP spammables like snipe, dodge roll break free and block to your hearts content, access to vigor and rally, poisons are better, etc. I could go on, but I've listed enough.

One of these days I may actually make a stamina based PvP toon and if I do, look out world. You thought I was slaughtering people on my sorcerer that can only break free or dodge roll once before being out of stamina, just wait...

If you dont think stamina is OP, thats probably because you play a stamina toon.

Personally, rune cage isn't even that bad.... half the time it is even greyed out and unusable, so I prefer to slot a different stun instead.

For shields, we have access to one more shield than anyone else.... You want to shield stack? Run harness magicka and ward ally. There ya go, two shields instead of 3. Personally, using 3 shields at once is a waste of resources in PvP. I run one shield only, harness magicka for the extra magicka I get back.

Samadhi

Dust off an alt. Preferably one that's not in the lime light.

Waiting to see what nerfs happen before playing on one of my Sorcs again
currently mostly playing around on Warden and Nightblade tank builds

Twohothardware

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

liamcatsmithb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't care what reason you give, the way Rune Prison is right now is unforgivable. Anyone saying it's not just wants to enjoy being overpowered for longer.

Just lol.... That's why 90% of the people I fight in BGs are all Stam builds... Stamina is so OP it's ridiculous. Extreme tankiness, extreme stamina regen, extreme DPS with no repercussion, access to tons of OP proc sets, access to tons of OP spammables like snipe, dodge roll break free and block to your hearts content, access to vigor and rally, poisons are better, etc. I could go on, but I've listed enough.

One of these days I may actually make a stamina based PvP toon and if I do, look out world. You thought I was slaughtering people on my sorcerer that can only break free or dodge roll once before being out of stamina, just wait...

If you dont think stamina is OP, thats probably because you play a stamina toon.

Personally, rune cage isn't even that bad.... half the time it is even greyed out and unusable, so I prefer to slot a different stun instead.

For shields, we have access to one more shield than anyone else.... You want to shield stack? Run harness magicka and ward ally. There ya go, two shields instead of 3. Personally, using 3 shields at once is a waste of resources in PvP. I run one shield only, harness magicka for the extra magicka I get back.

That's BG with CP disabled.

If you want to get rid of buffs from the CP tree like Bastion that boosts each of the 3 MagSorc shields by 25% and get rid of Befoul that lets Major and Minor Defile reduce healing on Stamina players by 45%+ then sure MagSorc's aren't as unbalanced then.

And that one more shield you have access to on MagSorc is a night and day difference as long as you have the sustain and sustain is incredibly easy using Harness Magicka against a Magicka character. It's essentially a free 3rd shield then.

Twohothardware

DenMoria wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Rune Cage and Harness Magicka are all that need nerfed.

As somone that's hopped back onto a MagSorc some during Summerset due to just how OP they are right now they need to stop letting players run three shields. It's not necessary to have Hardened Ward and Harness Magicka and Healing Ward to be able to survive on a Sorc, it just makes you god mode when you do because on top of 3 shield stacking you can sustain almost forever when fighting Magicka players because of the Harness Magicka.

MagSorc is not a tank. It's a light armor burst damage dealer with Streak and Mines and Pets using Skills that have a 28m range to avoid taking a ton of damage. But right now with 3 shields and Resto Ult I can tank a whole zerg on me longer than I can on a StamDK or StamWarden in heavy armor with Troll King.

Good tip... let's see... Hardened Ward, Harness Magicka and Healing Ward stacked along with Streak,Mines, double pets... I'm thinking Altmer... maybe Breton... Hmmm... now hair colour and eyes...

Yup you can absolutely run all of that with your Overload bar even though it's unnecessary. You can run Monster Sets like Engine Guardian that give you a free proc pet you can kite like a tree.

DenMoria

Ride it out. Once a sorc, always a sorc!

Twohothardware wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Rune Cage and Harness Magicka are all that need nerfed.

As somone that's hopped back onto a MagSorc some during Summerset due to just how OP they are right now they need to stop letting players run three shields. It's not necessary to have Hardened Ward and Harness Magicka and Healing Ward to be able to survive on a Sorc, it just makes you god mode when you do because on top of 3 shield stacking you can sustain almost forever when fighting Magicka players because of the Harness Magicka.

MagSorc is not a tank. It's a light armor burst damage dealer with Streak and Mines and Pets using Skills that have a 28m range to avoid taking a ton of damage. But right now with 3 shields and Resto Ult I can tank a whole zerg on me longer than I can on a StamDK or StamWarden in heavy armor with Troll King.

Good tip... let's see... Hardened Ward, Harness Magicka and Healing Ward stacked along with Streak,Mines, double pets... I'm thinking Altmer... maybe Breton... Hmmm... now hair colour and eyes...

Yup you can absolutely run all of that with your Overload bar even though it's unnecessary. You can run Monster Sets like Engine Guardian that give you a free proc pet you can kite like a tree.

I'd still be dead in seconds though. Truly terrible. Oh well. Off to the slaughter!

Malamar1229

Ride it out. Once a sorc, always a sorc!

#sorclivesmatter

Vahrokh

DuskMarine wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

not sorcs need nerf, absorb shields do.

On what basis? Shields are the only method of survival in PvE, and they're already nerfed in half for PvP.

Explain why they need to be nerfed further or I'm calling BS.

shields are ridiculously high and as sorc i heal either with resto staff or the pet, in PVE i don't even use shields. More over it, you can stack them with the class shields and it gets ridiculously high. It's stupid to be on full offensive and full defensive at the same time, like sorcs do.

You don't do Trials then. If you're not having to shield in PvE, you're not doing the hard stuff. Sorcs have had shields nerfed time and again, and each time it's been because of PvP.

Nobody double stacks shields, its a waste of resources. Every mag class has access to Annulment, and every non-sorc class uses it.

Sorcs get a stronger version of that shield because that's part of their class identity. They are supposed to have slightly higher defenses in exchange for slightly lower damage output. That's how the devs wanted sorcs to be.

There is a reason sorcs haven't been BiS in mag DPS for a long time. If you want top tier DPS, you go magblade these days.

Both you and OP seem to be new here, so maybe you don't know that.

heres the thing if i can stack a shield on top of me(pet sorc btw) and i can hit almost a 30k shield on top of my already 18k health. yea shields need a nerf to reduce the maximum to say 10-15k because their litterally overpowered. again if i can live through something as a dps that only a tank should live through there is something wrong and makes the ability broken. so your whole point is flawed cause he may not pve but even some of us in pve think its broken and should be fixed.

The guy who quoted you was right: you don't run trials.
Actually, you don't know the class at all nor the basic game mechanics.

Sorcs (like it or not) were enabled for tanking. Some encounters show tanks stacking health to the extreme and a sorc with a shield like you describe would just be unable to do his / her job.

Furthermore, not all sorcs stack 60k magicka. Most go for a mix of crit and / or magic damage and this makes shields smaller.

yttoks

Shrug. Let 'em have their shields. They are OP, but that's OK as long as my anti-sorc cancer gear doesn't get nerfed.

Vahrokh

usmguy1234 wrote: »

As we all know the sorc nerf cries have reached a fevered pitch. What do you plan to do to prepare for the storm?

1) This is a biased spin doctored poll, implying "INEVITABILITY".

2) I would have added an "Other" choice.

In example, I'd have clicked on Other and would have specified what I did for 2 years when ZOS rendered Sorcs the game laughing stock (to the point of being denied access to trials!): I quit.

I always vote with my wallet, it's the ONLY feedback that ZOS understands.

POps75p

usmguy1234 wrote: »

As we all know the sorc nerf cries have reached a fevered pitch. What do you plan to do to prepare for the storm?

when will the madness end?

AlienatedGoat

Ride it out. Once a sorc, always a sorc!

POps75p wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

As we all know the sorc nerf cries have reached a fevered pitch. What do you plan to do to prepare for the storm?

when will the madness end?

DanteYoda

Continue to whine on the forums about sorcs.

Continue to play my wardens while i watch Sorcerers get more buffs

Slack

Dust off an alt. Preferably one that's not in the lime light.

Play mag templar after next patch

JJBoomer

People that call for nerfs all have one thing in common. They want everyone to be worse so they can seem good. That's it. That's the whole motivation behind ANYONE ever asking for a nerf. It's a tantrum.

It's "this thing is better than me, so make it worse so that I can feel good about myself again in a game that has no real life value."

The only real response to nerf demands is to point, laugh and carry on with your day.

chaz

Continue to whine on the forums about sorcs.

I rather just complain knowing sorcs will never be nerfed. Specs, if played right are very good for dps. I play one but it's not my favorite, I like to take my time making my victims burn.

TequilaFire

JJBoomer wrote: »

People that call for nerfs all have one thing in common. They want everyone to be worse so they can seem good. That's it. That's the whole motivation behind ANYONE ever asking for a nerf. It's a tantrum.

It's "this thing is better than me, so make it worse so that I can feel good about myself again in a game that has no real life value."

The only real response to nerf demands is to point, laugh and carry on with your day.

But it should be the player that is better, not the gear or OP slotted ability.
Those that oppose balancing an OP ability just want to hold onto their crutch.

DuskMarine

Ride it out. Once a sorc, always a sorc!

Vahrokh wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

not sorcs need nerf, absorb shields do.

On what basis? Shields are the only method of survival in PvE, and they're already nerfed in half for PvP.

Explain why they need to be nerfed further or I'm calling BS.

shields are ridiculously high and as sorc i heal either with resto staff or the pet, in PVE i don't even use shields. More over it, you can stack them with the class shields and it gets ridiculously high. It's stupid to be on full offensive and full defensive at the same time, like sorcs do.

You don't do Trials then. If you're not having to shield in PvE, you're not doing the hard stuff. Sorcs have had shields nerfed time and again, and each time it's been because of PvP.

Nobody double stacks shields, its a waste of resources. Every mag class has access to Annulment, and every non-sorc class uses it.

Sorcs get a stronger version of that shield because that's part of their class identity. They are supposed to have slightly higher defenses in exchange for slightly lower damage output. That's how the devs wanted sorcs to be.

There is a reason sorcs haven't been BiS in mag DPS for a long time. If you want top tier DPS, you go magblade these days.

Both you and OP seem to be new here, so maybe you don't know that.

heres the thing if i can stack a shield on top of me(pet sorc btw) and i can hit almost a 30k shield on top of my already 18k health. yea shields need a nerf to reduce the maximum to say 10-15k because their litterally overpowered. again if i can live through something as a dps that only a tank should live through there is something wrong and makes the ability broken. so your whole point is flawed cause he may not pve but even some of us in pve think its broken and should be fixed.

The guy who quoted you was right: you don't run trials.
Actually, you don't know the class at all nor the basic game mechanics.

Sorcs (like it or not) were enabled for tanking. Some encounters show tanks stacking health to the extreme and a sorc with a shield like you describe would just be unable to do his / her job.

Furthermore, not all sorcs stack 60k magicka. Most go for a mix of crit and / or magic damage and this makes shields smaller.

the litteral lowest shield ive seen outside of pvp is 23k. thats still over 40k health. and i run trials quite alot with the healers we have i dont actually need the shields. plus sorcs were never meant to be tanks(no idea where you pulled that logic from). basic game mechanics hmm...manticora dont need a shield to beat, serpent dont need a shield for him either, warrior good healers shields obselete dont need it block and youll be fine, theres only one trial you need shields(and this is if you dont run two tanks) and thats cloudrest which even then you dont need more than a 10k shield at most. the rest of the bosses in the game arent even an issue that call for shields it just needs good teammates. the only reason people even bring magicka isnt because of their damage its because of the wards nothing more remove wards and stamina and magicka would even out a bit on whos using what. if shields make that much of a difference(which they highly do) why not nerf them and actually balance them.

paulychan

Plz nerf anything that is cool

Caligamy_ESO

Ride it out. Once a sorc, always a sorc!

I don't follow the meta and I don't pvp, I am almost always untarnished by these changes. Didn't use crystal frags before the stun removal, didn't spam streak, don't give a damn about rune cage (except if I am low manning Shada's Tear final boss) and even then still not really effected. Now days I am just farming the login rewards. *shrug*

Vahrokh

DuskMarine wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

not sorcs need nerf, absorb shields do.

On what basis? Shields are the only method of survival in PvE, and they're already nerfed in half for PvP.

Explain why they need to be nerfed further or I'm calling BS.

shields are ridiculously high and as sorc i heal either with resto staff or the pet, in PVE i don't even use shields. More over it, you can stack them with the class shields and it gets ridiculously high. It's stupid to be on full offensive and full defensive at the same time, like sorcs do.

You don't do Trials then. If you're not having to shield in PvE, you're not doing the hard stuff. Sorcs have had shields nerfed time and again, and each time it's been because of PvP.

Nobody double stacks shields, its a waste of resources. Every mag class has access to Annulment, and every non-sorc class uses it.

Sorcs get a stronger version of that shield because that's part of their class identity. They are supposed to have slightly higher defenses in exchange for slightly lower damage output. That's how the devs wanted sorcs to be.

There is a reason sorcs haven't been BiS in mag DPS for a long time. If you want top tier DPS, you go magblade these days.

Both you and OP seem to be new here, so maybe you don't know that.

heres the thing if i can stack a shield on top of me(pet sorc btw) and i can hit almost a 30k shield on top of my already 18k health. yea shields need a nerf to reduce the maximum to say 10-15k because their litterally overpowered. again if i can live through something as a dps that only a tank should live through there is something wrong and makes the ability broken. so your whole point is flawed cause he may not pve but even some of us in pve think its broken and should be fixed.

The guy who quoted you was right: you don't run trials.
Actually, you don't know the class at all nor the basic game mechanics.

Sorcs (like it or not) were enabled for tanking. Some encounters show tanks stacking health to the extreme and a sorc with a shield like you describe would just be unable to do his / her job.

Furthermore, not all sorcs stack 60k magicka. Most go for a mix of crit and / or magic damage and this makes shields smaller.

the litteral lowest shield ive seen outside of pvp is 23k. thats still over 40k health. and i run trials quite alot with the healers we have i dont actually need the shields. plus sorcs were never meant to be tanks(no idea where you pulled that logic from). basic game mechanics hmm...manticora dont need a shield to beat, serpent dont need a shield for him either, warrior good healers shields obselete dont need it block and youll be fine, theres only one trial you need shields(and this is if you dont run two tanks) and thats cloudrest which even then you dont need more than a 10k shield at most. the rest of the bosses in the game arent even an issue that call for shields it just needs good teammates. the only reason people even bring magicka isnt because of their damage its because of the wards nothing more remove wards and stamina and magicka would even out a bit on whos using what. if shields make that much of a difference(which they highly do) why not nerf them and actually balance them.

1) Shields don't provide the same protection (mitigation) that other defensive mechanics provide, so you cannot compare them 1:1

2) Don't use shields? Then you are perhaps in the best trial guild in the world. Those poor Hodor noobs (Alcast included) use shields.
Plus, congratulations on running 4 men and outdoor bosses without shields too! Because if you don't want shields then you won't have them in any content, including PUGs or hm pledges.

3) 2 of 3 shields are available to every class in game and at least 1 is often used in PvP builds. Take away that too, because "shields are OP?"

4) Since 2014 There have always been sorcs tanks. Despite ZOS best efforts at making sorcs the 2 skills, one forced gameplay class, some still resist. I tank close to every non trial content. It's not easy as a sorc as is, let's take away one of the few tools we have!

5) In all game content but two trials, PvE stamina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magicka DPS. Yeah, let's "even out" that too by making the imbalance even greater!

6) I played mages in every MMO and even in single player games since Baldur's Gate. Most of them have one thing in common: mages have SHIELDS and poor to no healing. Guess how ESO implemented "mages"? With SHIELDS and poor healing.