I fully agree with the OP. This unprecedented method of acquiring this basic style mat is ridiculous. This is not a truly "farmable" mat because it has a hard cutoff by only being acquired through dailies (which is unprecedented in eso). Yes, you can run it through on up to 12 toons per account. Yes, you can share quests so each toon can run every possibility of getting the mat. Maximizing these would give you a pretty good yield of this mat...

HOWEVER...

Most players don't have 12 toons which are fully playable. The average number of playable toons is difficult to estimate, but I would put it at roughly 4. So a lot of players only have a handful of toons they can run this content with outside of the delves (which they can easily solo at any level), and the delves are only a 25% chance per toon. These extra toons running only the single delve quest per day at roughly 15 minutes per delve would take roughly 3 hours to do. 3 hours for a chance of around 4 mats. Maybe 2 items to craft.

You certainly can share the quests, but that is totally dependent on whether you have people available to share all the quests. I can't even imagine how many hours it would take to run 12 toons through this content sharing quests so that all 12 toons got 3 geysers, all 6 WB's, and all 5 delves. With a dedicated daily (pro) guild group it would take about 2 hours minimum per toon. Even at just 5 minutes per location (which is ridiculous), it would take a base amount of 70 minutes to clear all 14, and that's not including riding time between locations, logging time between toons to share quests, etc. So even if we just say 2 hours per toon, 12 toons would mean you do nothing but run this 24 hours per day everyday. That would get you about 50 per day (enough to craft 25 items...) Plenty of mats, but you would physically die as a result... Not worth it.

Just randomly doing this through zone chat with no pre-organized group would not even be possible on 12 toons. Sure you can hit 3 geysers without too much difficulty, but it still takes time since they spawn chaotically and most people can't solo them. As for the delve quests, they aren't exactly shared in zone chat much at all (I have never seen one shared), so good luck randomly zone sharing these. And even in this short period of time since release, WB zone groups are getting sparse. It is very random for WB's. Honestly it would probably take 8-12 hours to hit all 14 instances on one toon alone.

THIS IS NOT FARMABLE.

But you know what? That's not the point. The point is that this is the most blatantly obvious money scam that zos has ever pulled. This makes me sick. Think about it... What do most people care about the rarity of this mat? They don't care at all. It is used for the sapiarch style. No one needs to craft armor/weapons in that style because of outfits. The item can be crafted in any style as long as they have the motif to alter their outfit. In fact the only crafters concerned about this would be people crafting furnishings. And what is the alternative to this ridiculous farming? I'm sure you guessed it... Buy the furnishings with crowns!

Now let's take a look at these furnishings... For the first time ever zos has given us true structural building blocks to do more than just place some tables and chairs with a bowl of fruit. We have, for the first time ever walls, arches, fences, multiple stairs, and various other building blocks all of a generally race-neutral white marble. This is like giving a kid his first basic set of legos! It was one of the best things ever for truly creative furnishers. People who like to do more than just decorate a house. People who go beyond and make truly unique designs out of the furnishing items available.

HOWEVER... The way they handled it is like handing the kid one block after every 2-6 hours of straight chore duty. That's just cruel.

That is the real money scam. Pretty much all of the posts here didn't even catch it. Zos doesn't care about people decorating the alinor townhouse. Alinor furnishings are not needed at all to make that house look amazing. It is already race-neutral enough that generally speaking any furnishings look good in it. Zos was after the real builders, designers, constructors. People who build truly unique things with these furnishings. Besides a column or two, I have never seen an alinor townhouse with any of the floors, walls, arches, or stairs offered. They thought it was a niche market with intense needs that they could exploit with little repercussions. So they threw out their first "basic lego block" set of furnishings which they knew no true designer could resist, and they made it so difficult to access that buying it with crowns would make more sense. A nice little way to make extra money. Probably 0.1% profit increase. Maybe 0.25% max. As a player who has paid many 100's of dollars over the years, as have many other players, I know for a fact that they are raking in the cash. This latest scheme to make money is way too low. It sickens me, and I'm debating whether this game/unpaid job is worth the time...

Darkenarlol wrote: »

joshcrum wrote: »

Stacks of the stuff? Really? We are talking about 200 stacks, right? You must be doing some seriously pro farming. We're talking 10 toons running every single WB, delve, and geyser every day, right?

since when 2 daily run on some chars ( ~1h for 5 toons if you run them relaxed with cup of cofee in your hands)

called seriously pro farming?

if only i had source of reliable farm for dwemer furnishing parts like 2 easy dailyes lol

so if you want them you can farm /buy them...or make threads about their lacking instead of getting them =D

Darkenarlol... if you had actually read my post instead of making it 20% through and jumping to troll mode, you would realize that all you would end up with at the end of your run is an empty cup of coffee and maybe 1 alinor furnishing, 2 if you were really lucky. Now think about if you needed 500 alinor furnishings. The "seriously pro farming" comment was more about running it with all 12 toons... like I said in the post you didn't fully read. In fact I never even said "seriously pro farming", I simply said "(pro)" because that's what it is when you can get a guild group together to run everyone involved through all 12 toons on each account through daily content every single day, day after day.

I guess ill just have to test it for myself when i get home and let yall know.

At least there is the small concession yes that in the next update the green and blue recipes will now require only one piece of the lacquer.

As regards the lacquered stairs - yes this one agrees that such a thing may be comically dangerous!

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

At least there is the small concession yes that in the next update the green and blue recipes will now require only one piece of the lacquer.

Glad to hear that. It's a step at least. Any word on whether they are going to stop required materials from jewelry crafting as well? Adding a requirement for orchre to non-jewelry crafting blueprints seems like another grind increase. Although ochre is much easier to find and it can be found from seams outside of Bummerset I think.

Yeah, this is confusing. You hire some bloke to come and lay some concrete flooring, but he needs to know how to craft jewellery and make potions as well. I get the enchanting requirement because there's no stone-mason crafting line, but why the other stuff?

joshcrum wrote: »

"You will now always obtain a Culanda Lacquer from completing daily quests for the Sapiarchs in Alinor."

"Reduced the cost in Culanda Lacquer to make Summerset High Elven furnishings for Fine and Superior items from 2 to 1. Artifact and Legendary items still require 2 Culanda Lacquer."

I would like to personally thank the dev team for listening to the player community and making such a fast response. It might not be everything that was requested to resolve the issue, but it is certainly enough to greatly improve the situation. Thank you ZOS!!!!

Glad to see this. Where did they post it? I didn't find it.

Folks, have a look into the PTS Patchnotes, ZOS adresses this Problem in Wolfhunter. Overall, Furniture needs only 1 then and each single Dailly gives the reward

I do agree that the Gryphon set should be the Sapiarch style instead of ancient elf. That would put an absolute end to all complaints about the rarity of culanda lacquer. However the changes that they are introducing does make the rarity more acceptable. It makes sense that purple and gold recipes would require more mats. So if ZOS is listening... Good job so far, just change Gryphon to the Sapiarch style and everything will be golden. That will make for a perfectly reasonable drop rate. I can say that it wouldn't have much of a negative effect on people running Summerset dailies since it is a great way to get Gryphon gear.

I 100 percent agree wish I'd known this after spending like 90k on recipes I can't use because past 20 guild traders I've looked in don't sell the 1 ingredient I need to craft this. Really a dumb move on the group that thought this was a good idea have to give them *** award on this one for not thinking

IMO the furniture crafting frustration started with Morrowind. They made those recipes so rare it was ridiculous. Now with Summerset you can find the recipes, but can’t craft them. They just went from one extreme to another. They sure are sucking the fun out of housing. :-(

I didn't buy Summerset, so the requirement for the skill in the furnishing recipes really annoys. I can buy the materials, but there's no way to get the skill.