Phage wrote: »

@geekboy09 Don't pay too much attention to the forums. People generally only come on here to make grievances. It's rare that a thread is a compliment or praise for ZOS.

The game is MILES better than it was 4 years ago. Don't just take my word for it - play it and see for yourself.

Agreed.

In my time since beta, the only that hasn't improved is Cyrodiil, and that's in part players' fault - the CE debacle (among others, some of which are ongoing) meant moving a lot of stuff server-side, and that's always gonna lag everything. As a result of cheating, ZOS' lack of attention, and the proliferation of skills (these days, one Healing Springs cast can easily involve a dozen simultaneous die-rolls) PvP is in a pretty bad place, and there is little indication things will improve. Cyrodiil hasn't seen a major change since Town Flags, and even that is minimal. Whatever the problems in Cyrodiil are, it appears that they may be unsolvable without taking the entire thing down for an extended period.

Still, given the general state of PvP in all MMOs, Cyrodiil is middling. Go to any other MMO and you will see similar concerns.

On the PvE side - this is the best game out there. Easily. It's got both approachable and masochistic opportunities, and while the faceroll that the overworld is in most games can be annoying, just try to solo an angry world boss, which can be surprisingly difficult even in original zones.

A word on the two Universal Gripes of Games - bugs and balance. ESO suffers from some relatively annoying, but not-exactly-game-breaking bug problems. There can be three reasons for this - the very bad (bugs are not being handled because the support team and dev teams have been cut anticipating a retirement); the annoying (because the game has inherent flaws that aren't fixable with current resources), and the good (bugs are proliferating because there is too much new content coming out, or the game offers too much to do to easily manage). Cyrodiil is in the second, annoying camp, but the rest of the game is firmly in the good camp. Zenimax is putting out so much content for the game that it is literally tripping over its shoes, and given all the other problems MMOs can have, this is a very good thing.

On balance - welcome to multiplayer gaming. There has not been one online game i've ever played in 20 years where balance hasn't been a constant, apocalyptic gripe for most of the community. Zenimax in the main does a pretty good job - even among the games which insist on a unitary system for PvP and PvE. I can only imagine what the ESO equivalent for Ark's magnificent Gliding Kamikaze or Dodo Bomb balance issues would be. It is ultimately impossible to achieve perfect balance, and even good balance would take years to achieve without constant new releases to muck it all up.

Come back. Stay for the PvE. Decorate (a part of) your house. Things are pretty damn good.

olivesforge wrote: »

In my time since beta, the only that hasn't improved is Cyrodiil, and that's in part players' fault - the CE debacle (among others, some of which are ongoing) meant moving a lot of stuff server-side, and that's always gonna lag everything. As a result of cheating, ZOS' lack of attention, and the proliferation of skills (these days, one Healing Springs cast can easily involve a dozen simultaneous die-rolls) PvP is in a pretty bad place, and there is little indication things will improve. Cyrodiil hasn't seen a major change since Town Flags, and even that is minimal. Whatever the problems in Cyrodiil are, it appears that they may be unsolvable without taking the entire thing down for an extended period.

Still, given the general state of PvP in all MMOs, Cyrodiil is middling. Go to any other MMO and you will see similar concerns.

On the PvE side - this is the best game out there. Easily. It's got both approachable and masochistic opportunities, and while the faceroll that the overworld is in most games can be annoying, just try to solo an angry world boss, which can be surprisingly difficult even in original zones.

A word on the two Universal Gripes of Games - bugs and balance. ESO suffers from some relatively annoying, but not-exactly-game-breaking bug problems. There can be three reasons for this - the very bad (bugs are not being handled because the support team and dev teams have been cut anticipating a retirement); the annoying (because the game has inherent flaws that aren't fixable with current resources), and the good (bugs are proliferating because there is too much new content coming out, or the game offers too much to do to easily manage). Cyrodiil is in the second, annoying camp, but the rest of the game is firmly in the good camp. Zenimax is putting out so much content for the game that it is literally tripping over its shoes, and given all the other problems MMOs can have, this is a very good thing.

On balance - welcome to multiplayer gaming. There has not been one online game i've ever played in 20 years where balance hasn't been a constant, apocalyptic gripe for most of the community. Zenimax in the main does a pretty good job - even among the games which insist on a unitary system for PvP and PvE. I can only imagine what the ESO equivalent for Ark's magnificent Gliding Kamikaze or Dodo Bomb balance issues would be. It is ultimately impossible to achieve perfect balance, and even good balance would take years to achieve without constant new releases to muck it all up.

Come back. Stay for the PvE. Decorate (a part of) your house. Things are pretty damn good.

Are the quests engaging?

A couple years back Raph Koster presented a brilliant power point on the causes and solutions to toxicity in gaming. On his list of suggestions was to create forums that discuss various parts of the game that fosters productive back and forth dialog between community and a representative (and only a representative never an actual developer) of the company.

He then said to create a forum that funnels all the bad actors, trolls and constant complainers, a playpen if you will.


That is called the general forum and it is used by every major game developer to keep the twitter mobs, the trolls, and the perpetually outraged from stinking up the actual forums.

It works brilliantly.

Now as many others suggested OP if you already own a copy take a couple hours and see for yourself only you know if you ill like it or not.....unless this was all designed to get the haters to bang on the game again, and if that is the case remember you're in the playpen no one really cares what takes place here.

I play on PC and before summerset patch the infinite loading screens, terrible skill lag and sh** performance was just in Cyrodiil. It's been like that for months, but you know I was thinking hey, there's other parts of this game that's enjoyable to play. Nowadays these bugs and loading screens are in pve and solo instances too. I used to play daily & enjoy trials, pvp, & crafting for housing. I've ended up only logging on 2x a week-ish now and even then the walls and floors disappear during trials (just yesterday a solid 9fps in vSO for me and invisible walls + floors for a couple of us in the trial). How am I supposed to play when things don't render and when there's infinite loading screens or crashes porting in to an instance or running to a keep?? I used to buy the 21000 crown pack monthly on top of the eso+ subscription, but now I want to cancel my eso+ like my other guildies already have. One day, maybe they'll fix the performance issues in this game but I won't waste anymore money on this game until they do.

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

A couple years back Raph Koster presented a brilliant power point on the causes and solutions to toxicity in gaming. On his list of suggestions was to create forums that discuss various parts of the game that fosters productive back and forth dialog between community and a representative (and only a representative never an actual developer) of the company.

He then said to create a forum that funnels all the bad actors, trolls and constant complainers, a playpen if you will.


That is called the general forum and it is used by every major game developer to keep the twitter mobs, the trolls, and the perpetually outraged from stinking up the actual forums.

It works brilliantly.

Now as many others suggested OP if you already own a copy take a couple hours and see for yourself only you know if you ill like it or not.....unless this was all designed to get the haters to bang on the game again, and if that is the case remember you're in the playpen no one really cares what takes place here.

I’m not trying to design anything. 8m a returning player who gave up after 3 week of launch.

shaielzafine wrote: »

I play on PC and before summerset patch the infinite loading screens, terrible skill lag and sh** performance was just in Cyrodiil. It's been like that for months, but you know I was thinking hey, there's other parts of this game that's enjoyable to play. Nowadays these bugs and loading screens are in pve and solo instances too. I used to play daily & enjoy trials, pvp, & crafting for housing. I've ended up only logging on 2x a week-ish now and even then the walls and floors disappear during trials (just yesterday a solid 9fps in vSO for me and invisible walls + floors for a couple of us in the trial). How am I supposed to play when things don't render and when there's infinite loading screens or crashes porting in to an instance or running to a keep?? I used to buy the 21000 crown pack monthly on top of the eso+ subscription, but now I want to cancel my eso+ like my other guildies already have. One day, maybe they'll fix the performance issues in this game but I won't waste anymore money on this game until they do.

Let me get this straight: you regularly used to spend $215 per month on this game?

The Crown store is the worst thing that ever happened to ESO.

It's the best Elder Scrolls MMO out there.

It's also won best MMO for a few years in the ZOS Best MMO Poll.

It made me laugh when I went to Hews Bane, home of the Thieves Guild, and some of the guards are still sitting on invisible chairs or leaning against invisible walls after 2 years.....was certainly busy with players there, I'll give them that.

Aurielle wrote: »

Let me get this straight: you regularly used to spend $215 per month on this game?

The Crown store is the worst thing that ever happened to ESO.

Yup. I know people that have spent way more than me on this game, some of my guildies are even more into eso housing than I am. And now I am spending that hobby money on other things, like going out or buying other video games like during the steam sale. I had fun decorating 17 eso houses, questing and pvping, but even in my home instances I can't parse on the target dummy without ping spikes or skill lag. Nothing about my pc has changed but the game performance and loading screens make it unplayable. My partner plays eso as well and he gets the same long long loading screens and visual bugs.

shaielzafine wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Let me get this straight: you regularly used to spend $215 per month on this game?

The Crown store is the worst thing that ever happened to ESO.

Yup. I know people that have spent way more than me on this game, some of my guildies are even more into eso housing than I am. And now I am spending that hobby money on other things, like going out or buying other video games like during the steam sale. I had fun decorating 17 eso houses, questing and pvping, but even in my home instances I can't parse on the target dummy without ping spikes or skill lag. Nothing about my pc has changed but the game performance and loading screens make it unplayable. My partner plays eso as well and he gets the same long long loading screens and visual bugs.

I’m glad that you’re taking a stand and spending your money elsewhere. More people need to do that. You do realize, though, that by purchasing and decorating seventeen houses in the first place, you inadvertently demonstrated to ZOS’s bean counters that churning out expensive cosmetic housing is more profitable than, say, fixing game-breaking bugs that crop up on the PTS? The fact that you know of guildies who spent even more than $200 per month just proves my point...

Yes, ZOS’s business practices are becoming increasingly greedy, but that’s because players are shoving money in their faces on a regular basis. Why pay people to fix the freezing in Cyrodiil when they can just throw another $100 cosmetic house in the Crown store and watch the profits roll in?

Don't listen to the toxic forums community.

This forums group is hardly representative of the game at large.

Aurielle wrote: »

shaielzafine wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Let me get this straight: you regularly used to spend $215 per month on this game?

The Crown store is the worst thing that ever happened to ESO.

Yup. I know people that have spent way more than me on this game, some of my guildies are even more into eso housing than I am. And now I am spending that hobby money on other things, like going out or buying other video games like during the steam sale. I had fun decorating 17 eso houses, questing and pvping, but even in my home instances I can't parse on the target dummy without ping spikes or skill lag. Nothing about my pc has changed but the game performance and loading screens make it unplayable. My partner plays eso as well and he gets the same long long loading screens and visual bugs.

I’m glad that you’re taking a stand and spending your money elsewhere. More people need to do that. You do realize, though, that by purchasing and decorating seventeen houses in the first place, you inadvertently demonstrated to ZOS’s bean counters that churning out expensive cosmetic housing is more profitable than, say, fixing game-breaking bugs that crop up on the PTS? The fact that you know of guildies who spent even more than $200 per month just proves my point...

Yes, ZOS’s business practices are becoming increasingly greedy, but that’s because players are shoving money in their faces on a regular basis. Why pay people to fix the freezing in Cyrodiil when they can just throw another $100 cosmetic house in the Crown store and watch the profits roll in?

lol didn't you read what I said? I had fun doing that and I'm perfectly happy spending money on things like digital houses / cosmetics / whatever in video games. Except lately, this game hasn't been playable for me, and I've been looking in the forums now and then to see if they've done anything to address game performance issues. In the end, you sound like you're saying the same thing I am, why throw money at an unplayable game? I would've bought the new aldmeri grotto house but as it is, there's too many bugs, login issues, and current content that's not being fixed.

The game is 100% trash now, don't even come back lmao.. its sad how bad it is now. What a fail of a company and game...

Why would anyone waste 200 a month on micro transactions