9 trait sets can be more interesting or perhaps have niche uses, but as mentioned above, all sets need to be balanced against each other no matter how many traits they require. It would be illogical to make them strictly more powerful as you would just remove the point of using anything 8 trait or lower.

the 5 piece bonus needs to be improved to ...

2 mundus stones and +50% increased effect.

then people will use it

It would be nice if they could find an interesting way to improve the set. As of this patch people have several viable options for gear set-ups on magic, and a few on stam. Summerset brought some interesting sets that circumstantially bis such as olorime (better than spc IF there is heavy stacking allowed and/or very good group awareness), siroria ( best in place where there isn't a ton if movement, so not vAS+2), and relequen (purely single target and need to be able to keep stacks up with light attacks for full benefit). We also have a lot of situationally best monster sets. So if they could find a way to get this set to fit into the mix of sets we have and be able to make it serve a role rather than just being plain and simple best everywhere it be pretty awesome! Idk how they'd do it though. They definitely should update the stat bonuses now that we have dual stat set bonuses for sets that cater to both stam and mag.

love this set. Use it on my healer for years.

How is it that you are complaining about TBS which is still fairly strong if you pick the right stones and have all divine gear, but Oblivion's Foe (8 Traits) is one of the shittiest sets in the game. Pelinal's apitute and Nocturnals favor are also quite lame and they are both 9 trait sets.
You say you want diversity, but a big part of the fun in theory crafting is to distinguish between good and bad sets and evaluate them accordingly. Take Hunt Leader as an example. It used to be a very bad set since "pet users" were magicka exclusive until Wardens were added. Seemingly useless sets are just one change away from being usefull again. TBS is just one mundus stone change away from being in a top spot again. And that is what horizontal progression is all about. You think about what tools you have at hand and then make the most of it until the rules of the game or tools at hand change.
If ZOS wants to make a good set like Innate Axiom a 2Trait set, then that is not a bad thing but instead an encouragement to try out new playstyles.
The only place where your argument stands is not with craftable (and tradable) sets, but bound sets, like Monster, weapon and perfected sets as they are intended to be the reward for hard work. And we know that crafted sets need to stay a solid alternative to those if we want crafting to matter (which it should).

I'm using it with my healer main and it is ok. TBS+SPC+master resto. Atronach and Ritual. Works well for most situations. Because nothing is more fun than spamming BoL.

It could use a tweak or two, but it's not a bad set. I'm not a follower of the silly meta nonsense though.

Just leave it be, I used it when I was young and was asking master crafters for it when I had no skills.

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bg22 wrote: »

Sylosi wrote: »

Sets in this game are based on horizontal not vertical progression, there is no reason a 9 trait set should be better than say a 5 trait set.

lol wut? F logic, huh?

If you don't understand what horizontal progression is I suggest you go Google it, it is a pretty common thing in games, including the one you are playing...

its actually a bad game design and does nothing to promote the longevity of the in game community. one of the reasons the population is a turnstyle visitor center.

If they wanted it to get a buff they would not have nerffed it. Pretty much was the go to set.

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I absolutely understand what horizontal progression is. I never said I didn’t know what it was. Also, to address a few others, I’m not upset or “going ballistic” over anything... I’m just bringing up a point. That a 9 trait set being no better than a 2 set trait is ridiculous, illogical, and needs addressed.

What then, would ever be the point of becoming a master crafter if there’s literally no benefits to it, other than the sake of diversity?

If adding diversity is not enough for you then that is fine, but whether you like it or not that diversity, which is basically what horizontal progression is in games, is what sets are based on in ESO.

Which is why for example overland sets can still be meta, when in a vertical game they would simply be rendered worthless by dungeon sets, which in turn would be rendered worthless by trial sets, which leads to a dull game and why in ESO 9 trait sets aren't better than any other tier of trait sets.

That diversity is actually part what many people like about the gear system in ESO, the way the "function" of a set is split from the vertical scaling (purple, yellow, etc) it gives far more options than in a lot of games.

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In that case, they should just make Fine (green) armor just as powerful as Legendary (yellow), because why should more time, effort, material, and often gold, equate into more powerful gear?

Some things they go with horizontal progression, others vertical, you don't have to go with one or the other for the entire game you know.

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I’m not saying that 9 trait sets should be elite in ever way, but they should certainly come with added benefits that make them worth the time and effort needed to achieve them. At least so much as to make them viable, and worthwhile.

That only seems logical to me.

They come with a benefit, diversity, you just aren't interested in that benefit.

In ESO's case that often means niche uses, look at most raid sets, they are strong in raids (often also dungeons), but no better (or even worse) than many overland sets for PvP, overworld PvE, etc. Same thing with crafted sets, if you want to do some hybrid build then Pelinals is obviously a great set for that, but it is niche, or take Eternal Hunt for certain builds in PvP over the course of the game it has been really good, but again niche.

You don't need to have everything as vertical progression in a game, ESO already has plenty in that way - CP, green/blue/purple/gold gear, undaunted, etc.

This may come as a shock but games with lots of horizontal progression are way more popular than heavy vertical progression games which lock out new players, make grind more important than skill and so on, which is why MMORPGs in a desperate bid to avoid the genre from completely dying off are cutting back on vertical "progression".

i use this set on my healer build the heals can't be touched that it can output