I’m discouraged by what I’m reading in the forums

geekboy09 · July 2018

Lylith wrote: »

I’m discouraged by what I’m reading in the forums...

i'm discouraged by much of what i see in-game.

so much potential, unrealized.

What do you mean?

Anotherone773 · July 2018

It has issues and bugs but its playable. It can just be a real pain sometimes.

geekboy09 · July 2018

Anotherone773 wrote: »

It has issues and bugs but its playable. It can just be a real pain sometimes.

Lol, true

Morgul667 · July 2018

Bug and performance are worst

Pvp balance is messy since last update

f047ys3v3n · July 2018

It was great a year and a half ago. Things really peaked with Tamriel unlimited and homestead. At this point I would say that it is worse than 4 years ago though.

It has not been a good last year and a half in terms of balance, stability, scaling, and cheating. It has been a so so year with new content. Clockwork was great, Morrowind so so (with terrible ballance changes), and Summerset lackluster.

Hopefully the class advisors will help the balance and endgame content improve as the decisions there have been terrible. As for the stability. My hope it this is just multi-core change teething because it has been pretty awful.

geekboy09 · July 2018

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

It was great a year and a half ago. Things really peaked with Tamriel unlimited and homestead. At this point I would say that it is worse than 4 years ago though.

It has not been a good last year and a half in terms of balance, stability, scaling, and cheating. It has been a so so year with new content. Clockwork was great, Morrowind so so (with terrible ballance changes), and Summerset lackluster.

Hopefully the class advisors will help the balance and endgame content improve as the decisions there have been terrible. As for the stability. My hope it this is just multi-core change teething because it has been pretty awful.

Can you explain in detail the issues?

Ragebull · July 2018

The game is great, ZOS is terrible, that's how I look at it. I love the game and still manage to enjoy it a ton despite the neglect and poor decisions from ZOS.

Ive had some issues, but I can deal with an occasional crash or lag. Unfortunately, some people are having game breaking issues constantly. That's not overreacting or just "forum gripes", that's a fact, and potential buyers/returning players NEED to be aware of it beforehand. It's our responsibility as gamers to make it known, because the devs (especially ZOS) are willfully ignorant of these things until the noise is so loud they can't be. That's pretty much where we are now, they have no choice now but to address the issues with the game. We'll see how it turn out, but I'm pessimistic because they haven't earned the BOTD

Summary: The game is amazing, but buyer/returning player beware, you COULD be one of the unlucky many who have tons of problems that go seemingly ignored for an unreasonably long time, if not forever

TheGr8David · July 2018

Show me a forum or subreddit that's mostly complimentary of the game and I'll be surprised. The forums are mostly meant as a dumping ground for grievances and complaints, but the forum users are a very very small portion of the game's overall population.

Many of the complaints are valid, especially when it comes to bugs, glitches, and freezes, but more of them are subjective complaints about balance, grinds, farms, etc. and it's important to experience the game as it is now, before you accept these complaints as a representation of the game's state.

I've been off and on since the game's beta, and I can assure you that it is leagues better than what it was at launch. For all of ZOS faults, I think a side-by-side comparison of what the game was like in 2014 versus what it is like now in 2018 would show a really nice, if somewhat bumpy, uphill trend.

geekboy09 · July 2018

Ragebull wrote: »

The game is great, ZOS is terrible, that's how I look at it. I love the game and still manage to enjoy it a ton despite the neglect and poor decisions from ZOS.

Ive had some issues, but I can deal with an occasional crash or lag. Unfortunately, some people are having game breaking issues constantly. That's not overreacting or just "forum gripes", that's a fact, and potential buyers/returning players NEED to be aware of it beforehand. It's our responsibility as gamers to make it known, because the devs (especially ZOS) are willfully ignorant of these things until the noise is so loud they can't be. That's pretty much where we are now, they have no choice now but to address the issues with the game. We'll see how it turn out, but I'm pessimistic because they haven't earned the BOTD

Summary: The game is amazing, but buyer/returning player beware, you COULD be one of the unlucky many who have tons of problems that go seemingly ignored for an unreasonably long time, if not forever

Thanks

KingMagaw · July 2018

ZOS continues to mishandle ESO, since the start is truth.

Rushed out content, little to no QA on it, leaves it buggy and unplayable at times and leaves the game wide open to cheating and exploiting, wont mention too much of that for my post to be deleted lol

Botting is still rampant and ZOS are still relying on people to buy the game, buy the DLC's, download the PTS, test content for them and then after all that, spend personal time to document exploits and bugs, make a nice report for them to follow in bullet points.

^^ This was done at the start but has definitely has dwindled away to next to nothing from players. I think it was more ZOS blatantly ignoring all this time spent that has resulted in this way.

Take the crown crates and crown store monetisation over the last year. It has been heavily focused on, yet game performances has went severely downhill, for Console and PC alike. Reference forums or ask around.

Look at the new motif chapters in crown crates and the new way to achieve Welkland motifs from CR. ZOS are adding more and more of a grind to obtain simple items. nCR+3 for 1 motif fragment lol

This is fact and by no means am i bashing anyone by pointing this out. Most long term players who are still here,know exactly where this behaviour ends

Easily_Lost · July 2018

My complaint right now is that I ran out of enlightenment :'( , so I had to make a new character until my enlightenment pool gets maxed out. LOL

geekboy09 · July 2018

KingMagaw wrote: »

ZOS continues to mishandle ESO, since the start is truth.

Rushed out content, little to no QA on it, leaves it buggy and unplayable at times and leaves the game wide open to cheating and exploiting, wont mention too much of that for my post to be deleted lol

Botting is still rampant and ZOS are still relying on people to buy the game, buy the DLC's, download the PTS, test content for them and then after all that, spend personal time to document exploits and bugs, make a nice report for them to follow in bullet points.

^^ This was done at the start but has definitely has dwindled away to next to nothing from players. I think it was more ZOS blatantly ignoring all this time spent that has resulted in this way.

Take the crown crates and crown store monetisation over the last year. It has been heavily focused on, yet game performances has went severely downhill, for Console and PC alike. Reference forums or ask around.

Look at the new motif chapters in crown crates and the new way to achieve Welkland motifs from CR. ZOS are adding more and more of a grind to obtain simple items. nCR+3 for 1 motif fragment lol

This is fact and by no means am i bashing anyone by pointing this out. Most long term players who are still here,know exactly where this behaviour ends

Why are they not fixing bugs?

KingMagaw · July 2018

geekboy09 wrote: »

Why are they not fixing bugs?

2 reasons come to my mind initially.

1). Players are not telling ZOS anymore as it is a waste of time and thinking is backwards. Paying ZOS to document bugs and exploits that they intentionally put out is backwards thinking. There are exploits been in game for maybe 1 year now, that i know of, that remains unfixed letting exploiters earn massive amounts of gold.

2). Because of continually rushing out content with little to 0 QA, it impacts other content. It is easier to make sure the new content interacts with old content than it is to adjust it while it is LIVE/installed in game. Doing this causes a lot of headaches and ZOS seems to be very hesitant to repeat this as it causes patch/hotfix for the patch, then another hotfix for the patch/hotfix.

I have definitely witnessed older players are less inclined to waste there time in interacting with ZOS, for the factual reasons above. I have seen Cheat Engine users let back to game and seen gold sellers given temporary suspensions.

Once again, no need to ban me again from posting on forums. This is factual information and by no means bashing. If you perceive it as bashing then it simply reinforces that letting blatant cheaters back into the game was a poor move.

Starlight_Knight · July 2018

I agree the game is great, the best game out atm by far. And thats the problem, its good enough to complain about and not just leave.
I play mostly PVP - And ESO has the potential to be the greatest thing ever if it could just get the balancing under control and sort out the game breaking lag.
Sometimes i think im getting good at PVP until i get a 15k Zann or *insert proc set here* to the face while trying to fight multiple people.
I hate free damage proc sets. - i can deal with the class imbalances. But any feedback i wright on the forums should just be considered player feedback. My tone might be negative, but that's just because i had a negative experience.

Lord_Eomer · July 2018

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

The game is in a very comfortable crown store offering place.

Balance, stability, lag, performance all of these things are in a terrible place. Zos is spinning in circles at this point.

Its not true but a big lie!

geekboy09 · July 2018

KingMagaw wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

Why are they not fixing bugs?

2 reasons come to my mind initially.

1). Players are not telling ZOS anymore as it is a waste of time and thinking is backwards. Paying ZOS to document bugs and exploits that they intentionally put out is backwards thinking. There are exploits been in game for maybe 1 year now, that i know of, that remains unfixed letting exploiters earn massive amounts of gold.

2). Because of continually rushing out content with little to 0 QA, it impacts other content. It is easier to make sure the new content interacts with old content than it is to adjust it while it is LIVE/installed in game. Doing this causes a lot of headaches and ZOS seems to be very hesitant to repeat this as it causes patch/hotfix for the patch, then another hotfix for the patch/hotfix.

I have definitely witnessed older players are less inclined to waste there time in interacting with ZOS, for the factual reasons above. I have seen Cheat Engine users let back to game and seen gold sellers given temporary suspensions.

Once again, no need to ban me again from posting on forums. This is factual information and by no means bashing. If you perceive it as bashing then it simply reinforces that letting blatant cheaters back into the game was a poor move.

Well I can understand wanting new contact or the game would go dead, but I’m disappointed bugs are a major problem still. I rebought a Ophelia or this game thinking it would be better.

eso_lags · July 2018

geekboy09 wrote: »

It just seems the game is the same lackluster broken mess I left four years ago. I read reviews that it has gotten better. The issue is what I read in the forums are not promising. Between bad connection, lag, invisible walls and still has rampant bots has me deeply concerned.

Ill give you the truth since a lot of people seem to white knight zos and compare eso to other mmos, or just say the game is garbage..

This game is great. It really is. If you want to pve there are countless achievements to get, dungeons to do, skins to get, a nice crafting system, a pretty good housing system, and trials to work on completing. And more coming out every single update...

The dark side of eso is balance and performance. And nowhere does that hurt more than in cyrodil. Balance bounces around with usually a few classes or builds above the rest from time to time. But performance is a complete and utter mess. Also, up until the release of the last update (summerset isles) zos has had a habit of ignoring the bad performance completely for roughly 2 years now...

So what i can say is if you want to pve in this game, you're good. If you want to pve and pvp, you should be fine. If your main goal of playing eso is to pvp competitively, then be ready to deal with some issues.

The lag is terrible. Zos rarely acknowledges that it is an issue. Also, cyrodil can get a bit stale and it doesnt look like we will ever see a new pvp zone come out. Imperial city stays pretty dead... Probably because there is no achievement like emperor in IC. No point except to grind or steal tel var stones. And that isnt enough.

I have fun in eso, but if i didnt play other games id probably get burnt out and quit. If it didnt lag, personally, that would be enough to satisfy me. And everyone that says game performance isnt coming from zos' end is a fool. No other major mmo has issues like this. At least not for me and i play / have played almost all of them.

Id recommend playing it though. Just understand pvp is a struggle. But the game is nothing like it was at its launch..

starkerealm · July 2018

swippy wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

Thanks can anyone tell me how bad are the bots these days?

i heard they were way worse back when you were around. i'm newer so i didn't see the botpocalypse for myself.

people still complain about them, though, a lot. i think what the company does is compile a list of bot reports, and then every so often they try to go do a big cleanup at once. i think part of this is so that the most report-happy players don't get too inflated by immediately exercising some kind of "power" over another account, but maybe it's just a manpower thing, or another reason. but it leads a lot of reporters to go check on their pet peeve a week later and find them still there, and then complain the company is "doing nothing."

as far as i can tell, what the bots are doing most of the time is just bringing more Dreugh Wax into the game, making it cheaper for most players to afford to improve their chosen armor, which doesn't seem all that harmful. well, unless you're a legit Wax-farmer, that is.

Back at launch, the bots were a plague. You could step out of the Windhelm wayshrine, and watch a progression of identical, level 3, bots in prisoner garb, zone in, and then fly off towards a quest giver. Similar things happened in The Hollow City and anywhere else there was a high level meet and greet quest with a solid payout. You could report a bot, but by the time Customer Support actually looked at the ticket, that character would have been long deleted. You see, they'd do these quick quests that involve mashing through dialog, mail the gold to a control account, delete the character and roll up a fresh one.

I haven't seen a bot flying through walls since 2015. Even then, that one was odd enough to stand out.

I haven't seen massive gold seller spam in zone since mid-2014, nor have I received an in-game mail from a spammer since around the same time.

I have seen bots, as recently as last month. They still exist, usually farming routes in a few zones. If you know where to look you can usually find a group without much trouble, but they're the exception rather than the rule these days.

Aurielle · July 2018

maboleth wrote: »

I might be mistaken but I thought occasional mass "freezing" people experience in PVP are Psijic skills (don't know yet for certain, didn't get them myself).

Yeah, no... It has nothing to do with the Psijic skills. The whole screen locks up. Can’t open your UI, nothing. You don’t lose connection to the server, as you can still communicate with people via voice chat. Your character stands there motionless and is basically free AP to anyone who didn’t freeze until you forcibly close the ESO application and start it up again.

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2018

The game is miles better than it was back when it launched. But it has been experiencing a downturn in performance and quality. My best guess is that resources are being pushed more and more towards Crown Store assets like these monstrous houses and the development team has less time to focus in on content development. This sort of thing happens all the time with MMOs when their Cash Shops start really taking off.

Aurielle · July 2018

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

It was great a year and a half ago. Things really peaked with Tamriel unlimited and homestead. At this point I would say that it is worse than 4 years ago though.

It has not been a good last year and a half in terms of balance, stability, scaling, and cheating. It has been a so so year with new content. Clockwork was great, Morrowind so so (with terrible ballance changes), and Summerset lackluster.

Hopefully the class advisors will help the balance and endgame content improve as the decisions there have been terrible. As for the stability. My hope it this is just multi-core change teething because it has been pretty awful.

Agreed. I bailed on ESO before launch due to all the problems with the beta, and returned a few months before One Tamriel. Performance, for me, declined quite a bit with One Tamriel — but I was playing on an old potato gaming laptop, and switching to the only thing I could afford at the time (PS4) gave me the good performance and decent graphics I was looking for. One Tamriel was so awesome. Very stable, lots of quality of life improvements. Problems started trickling in again after Homestead, and each update has made game performance progressively worse.

It’s sad, because circa 2016, I honestly think this was the best MMO on the market. I can’t in good faith make that same statement today. Performance in Cyrodiil is atrocious, I’m still getting huge FPS loss after porting between wayshrines, trials/VMA are laggy as hell, and the same bugs keep resurfacing after they’ve been squashed by previous patches.

The current release schedule seems unsustainable for this team. I don’t think they have enough time to test for bugs. I mean, seriously: Summerset is STILL riddled with problems, and they’re testing the next DLC already? I think the release schedule needs to be dialed down a bit so that the new content can be fully tested and FIXED prior to release. The game is basically in beta mode every time an update is launched, with us, the players on live servers, having to report back on game-breaking issues that should never have made their way into the live build.

Prabooo · July 2018

don forget the sheet ngine

Aurielle · July 2018

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The game is miles better than it was back when it launched. But it has been experiencing a downturn in performance and quality. My best guess is that resources are being pushed more and more towards Crown Store assets like these monstrous houses and the development team has less time to focus in on content development. This sort of thing happens all the time with MMOs when their Cash Shops start really taking off.

The whales are also to blame. Why would ZOS make performance and bug fixes a priority when people are frequently gambling away THOUSANDS to increase their odds of getting a hideous, over-the-top mount, which they then simply sit on for hours outside city wayshrines (to show off, I guess?)

I mean, sure whales, do what you want with your money... just realize you’re ruining things for those of us who realize it’s unwise to spend half your pay check on a mount in a video game.

starkerealm · July 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

just realize you’re ruining things for those of us who realize it’s unwise to spend half your pay check on a mount in a video game.

To be fair, with the whales I've met (in ESO and other MMOs), a couple grand is not, "half their paycheck."

Aurielle · July 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

just realize you’re ruining things for those of us who realize it’s unwise to spend half your pay check on a mount in a video game.

To be fair, with the whales I've met (in ESO and other MMOs), a couple grand is not, "half their paycheck."

I frankly don’t care HOW much they earn; it’s incredibly stupid and wasteful to spend that amount of money on shot at a digital mount in a game that will only be around for as long as the servers are running.

geekboy09 · July 2018

Are the quests at least engaging

KingMagaw · July 2018

geekboy09 wrote: »

Well I can understand wanting new contact or the game would go dead, but I’m disappointed bugs are a major problem still. I rebought a Ophelia or this game thinking it would be better.

New content is definitely sought after, much faster than it should really.

Rushing out content, like THE HIST DLC for a simplistic example, left so many players exploiting all the achievements in hours and then left with nothing to do. If that content had been tested properly, or even tested at all, then players would of had to grind those dungeons, learn mechanics and work on the achievements.

Rushing out broken content does nobody any good. This lesson has yet to be learned here though

griffkhalifa · July 2018

Phage wrote: »

@geekboy09 Don't pay too much attention to the forums. People generally only come on here to make grievances. It's rare that a thread is a compliment or praise for ZOS.

The game is MILES better than it was 4 years ago. Don't just take my word for it - play it and see for yourself.

While I agree that the forums aren't a good indicator of the status of the game, the issues with lag/performance are real. Other than that, all the nerf threads and threads about the crown store are annoying and tiresome.

icedcoffee · July 2018

Like what most everyone else here has said.

Yeah, the game sometimes gets laggy, sometimes there are bugs, sometimes glitches and it's hard not to get frustrated if you're eager to play but something (like bad lag) prevents you, and it makes it seem like the game it worse then it actually is.

In fact, I remember having the same gripes about WoW and SWToR when I was playing those on a daily basis, cursing the lag and the bugs, it always just seems to be worse on whatever MMO you're playing.

Why - I've had the SAME TYPE OF GLITCH in ALL THREE MMOS!

- Charged an enemy while on an incline as a Protection Warrior in WoW - I clipped through the floor and died.
- Force Charged an enemy while on an incline as a Sith Marauder in SWTOR - I clipped through the floor and died.
- Shield Charged an enemy while on an incline as my Templar Tank in ESO - I clipped into the ceiling and died.

I'm certain that when I return to WoW for the new expansion, I will continue to shake my fists at the lag and glitches and broken quests and ESO will look like a perfected piece of art comparatively

kaiage · July 2018

greekboy, it's all lies. The game is perfect and we don't want people returning that will upset the balance of ebb and flow to the overall gaming community theory hyperbole situation satire.

In short, the game is perfect, people are just kidding.