templesus wrote: »

I feel as if the lack of votes for stamplar just proves even more how much we need a buff...it’s not that we don’t need one, people just literally forget we exist.

Dont get me wrong, if I can pick multiple classes, stam sorc and plar would be on my list too

Honestly, buff all classes but magsorc.

Probably the best answer is any sucker not using cheat engine as that is where the clear divide has emerged.

Since it seems there is no chance of addressing that, I'm going to go with Mplar because.

1) It's healing is no longer really spectacular. Lots of classes can heal just as well. Realistically, most healers are still Mplar because that is the toon folks leveled for healing long ago and don't have much of a reason to change. This is a blow to Mplar's because they were always relevant because they were the undisputed BIS heals for PVE and PVP. They are not now.

2) It's damage is week, dependent on others, and usually melee. Being melee means that it competes against much higher dps stam toons for raid slots. This is really a non-starter for about any mag toon. Mag toons dominate in raids because the mechanics reward their range and shields not for their weeksauce DPS. The Templar's best DOT is also group dps dependent which hurts you in solo work or in utility (break off of group) work in raids. Most mag toons do some utility work which is a bit out of the question with this dependent templar DOT. I should also mention that they do not have a class major expedition like mSorc and mNB. These are quite useful in dealing with the not so generously timed mechanics that many trials have.

3) It's skills are way too costly. This is a big one for Templar. It's skills, right down to the only good ultimate, more costly than about anybody's saving perhaps the infinite DOT possessing DK's. The sustain is just garbage.

4) In PVP there is really nobody I find easier to kill than a Mplar. I can interrupt their primary attack, they have no escape whatsoever, their burst heal costs so much that if they start to use it they almost immediately draw dry on resources, and their burst damage is low.

Stewart1874 wrote: »

If only 2% of the playerbase are playing Warden and nothing has been done to improve it that is quite laughable.

I see wardens constantly in BGs and around the world in general, so the 2% is probably referring to vet hm trials or something.

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Fiktius wrote: »

Now when stun was removed from Deep Fissure skill, my magden for PvP is useless and will remain untouched level 37 until maybe one day magdens gets buffed again.

You do realize StamDen do just fine with their own combos. While I'm console I expect Fissure, Clench, Meteor, Dive/Force to work just fine.

Oh yes, of course I could go with destructive reach and copy paste every single mag build I have to my magden as well, but then again, it's very pity since the original pre-Summerset build of mine included frost staff, which provided very nice effect in PvP while using destructive reach, meanwhile I were able to stun my opponents with class skill. But no, of course mag Warden can't have fancy class stun. They would be definitely overpowered and those Sorcs with useless rune cage could do nothing against mag Wardens. Completely broken! I mean, where would the balance be? Obviously not allowed for Magdens.

PvP wise and especially in BGs, stamDK is definitely the weakest stamina class right now. There is nothing stamDK is good at, or better said, you always find a class that can do things better than a stamDK.

No matter which path you choose. Stamsorc is much better at dot build, stamwarden is much better at tanky bruiser build. I've seen also hit-n-run stamDKs, but again, stamNB is just better at it.
They are exceptional PvE tanks, I admit, but tanks have no place in current BG meta so their class identity is absolutely negligible in BGs.

Not a single reason to bring stamDK to BGs instead of any other stamina toon.

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

To all saying Magden.
Have you ever met a skilled Magden in BGs? It's amazing.
Have you ever met a skilled stamDK in BGs? It's unserwhelming.

Every class turns amazing in skilled hands, but that does not mean that there isn't anything worth to adjust, because skilled players are doing fine with the class. My previous message in this thread was half sarcastic, but I still would like to see devs giving some love towards magdens and improve their skills slightly. Tho I also understand your point of view of stam DKs.
However since we can't vote for multiple options, Magden got my vote.

Fiktius wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Fiktius wrote: »

Now when stun was removed from Deep Fissure skill, my magden for PvP is useless and will remain untouched level 37 until maybe one day magdens gets buffed again.

You do realize StamDen do just fine with their own combos. While I'm console I expect Fissure, Clench, Meteor, Dive/Force to work just fine.

Oh yes, of course I could go with destructive reach and copy paste every single mag build I have to my magden as well, but then again, it's very pity since the original pre-Summerset build of mine included frost staff, which provided very nice effect in PvP while using destructive reach, meanwhile I were able to stun my opponents with class skill. But no, of course mag Warden can't have fancy class stun. They would be definitely overpowered and those Sorcs with useless rune cage could do nothing against mag Wardens. Completely broken! I mean, where would the balance be? Obviously not allowed for Magdens.

Because Dizzy Swing, Dawnbreaker, Reverse Slice is such an orignal combo for StamDen, no other runs that.

StamDK and both variants of Warden need a redesign, not just buffs.

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Magplar and magden.

Oldschol magicka templar with 2 swords and sweeps was my favourite type of dd, but sadly its not really working anymore + ZOS was trying super hard to equalize healing, which was the defining trait of templar class. Nuff said.

Warden was designed to be a "jack of all traits" and it wasnt really a good idea. There are some good pvp builds (mostly stam, though), but warden representation in pve is just sad.

Would really love to see melee mag a reality. Magplar, MagDen, and MagBlade would all seriously benefit from this.

Magden / Magplar.

Magplar in terms of passives/class-skill utility, not in terms of healing. I AM NOT A [snip] HEALBOT, just because I have a templar-icon next to my name, god damnit =(

It's in a bad place, my guys.

For pvp, We have nothing, no burst anymore, no CC thats use-able. far to many buffs to juggle.

Just check out the warden feedback thread for a list a mile long with whats wrong with this class.
All ignored and made worse every patch.