Shuffle

Millz · July 2018

Increase duration, leave duration or write yours in. Refering to the immunity only being .5 seconds per medium piece

Emma_Overload · July 2018

Leave as is

How about making Purge work as fast as Shuffle before buffing Shuffle?

Beardimus · July 2018

Biased poll. What about reduce duration? It's like fighting someone in the matrix half the time.

LeHarrt91 · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

Beardimus wrote: »

Biased poll. What about reduce duration? It's like fighting someone in the matrix half the time.

But have you fought in medium armor? its like fighting someone with heat seeking missiles.

LeHarrt91 · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

But have it limited to 5 pieces of armor, as 7 secs of immunity with 15% chance to dodge may be a bit much.

Gnozo · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

1 sec per piece would make this more in line with forward momentum and give medium armor a much needed buff.

Major evasion is not this op how everyone claims it.

Forward Momentum: Major brutality, decent hot and snare removal + 8 seconds snare immunity.

Shuffle: Major evasion, Snare removal + max 3.5 seconds snare immunity.

So making it 7 seconds would be really good and lower this heavy armor meta a bit.

NobleX35 · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

But have it limited to 5 pieces of armor, as 7 secs of immunity with 15% chance to dodge may be a bit much.

Lol at that point it should just give a flat 5 second immunity since you can’t even use the skill without having 5 pieces of medium equiped.

ak_pvp · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

1s per med piece, or just a flat 5s is good enough if some people think it might be OP.

Also: Exhibit C for wings 2s being too small.

ak_pvp · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

Gnozo wrote: »

1 sec per piece would make this more in line with forward momentum and give medium armor a much needed buff.

Major evasion is not this op how everyone claims it.

Forward Momentum: Major brutality, decent hot and snare removal + 8 seconds snare immunity.

Shuffle: Major evasion, Snare removal + max 3.5 seconds snare immunity.

So making it 7 seconds would be really good and lower this heavy armor meta a bit.

Heavy armour meta? Where the meta for all mag classes is now light, (though heavy healbots exist) and 2 stamina classes run medium as a preferable armour (stamblade and stamplar) 1 with a flex between (stamsorc, tanky vs bleedy) and only 2 classes that the meta is almost always heavy.

The 2 most popular PvP classes in ESO both run med/light too. (Magsorc/StamNB) And heavy stamblade is getting a nerf next patch since blur can no longer proc tactician and proc truth. Sloads is also getting nerfed so more will switch back to medium because cloak will be more reliable.

I know you are only wanting medium buffs, which is needed, but claiming heavy armour is meta will get it nerfed unnecessarily.

Solariken · July 2018

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IMO leave the current duration and reduce cost significantly; also reduce the duration of Major Evasion to compensate for the big cost reduction.

Strider__Roshin · July 2018

Why play medium everythings undodgable anyways

It needs to be at least as good as Forward Momentum.

Sky_WK · July 2018

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LeHarrt91 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Biased poll. What about reduce duration? It's like fighting someone in the matrix half the time.

But have you fought in medium armor? its like fighting someone with heat seeking missiles.

Not in impreg

DDuke · July 2018

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I have a little different take on this.

I think they should keep the short duration on snare/root immunity, but they should add another effect to full duration base skill: "reduces the effectiveness of snares by 50%".

I believe this would make the other morph also a more interesting choice.

There are some pretty good reasons for buffing Shuffle:

Snares are getting tuned down big time, which means abilities that remove snares also lose value.
Shuffle doesn't compare favourably with Forward Momentum.
The base skill is bland and not on par with other skills that grant Major Evasion: Blur is cheaper in comparison and grants the benefits of Assassination passives, Falcon's Swiftness grants Major Endurance on top of the Evasion, although it has shorter duration (and cost).

BaylorCorvette · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

Needs longer immunity duration for sure. Even in medium armor I still run FM as my snare removal and snare immunity. It seems like targets that run shuffle are constantly proc'ing the evasion against me but when I run shuffle it's just garbage for me.

Millz · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

Good points commrades. I think everyone can agree medium armor is in a terrible spot and honestly think that the change of shuffle and removal and replacement of the sneak passive can help a lot. I want to see elude also reworked so no one is pigeon holed into shuffle

NobleX35 · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

Millz wrote: »

Good points commrades. I think everyone can agree medium armor is in a terrible spot and honestly think that the change of shuffle and removal and replacement of the sneak passive can help a lot. I want to see elude also reworked so no one is pigeon holed into shuffle

I would agree with this statement. Shuffle is the obvious choice because it is the only morph with snare removal. They should probably move the snare removal to the base skill and then change what each morph does. The base skill could provide major evasion and then each piece of medium armor equiped could increase the duration by .5 seconds (currently whats on live). Elude could reduce the cost of the ability, while Shuffle could increase the snare immunity to 1second per piece of medium armor.

LeHarrt91 · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

NobleX35 wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

But have it limited to 5 pieces of armor, as 7 secs of immunity with 15% chance to dodge may be a bit much.

Lol at that point it should just give a flat 5 second immunity since you can’t even use the skill without having 5 pieces of medium equiped.

that was basically what i was saying, as if it were per piece of medium armor i think 7 secs may be too much. and you have 5 pieces anyway due to shuffle requirement.

MisterBigglesworth · July 2018

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SHUFFLE
You stagger the next 3 melee attacks, 
delaying 40% of Physical damage,
instead taking it over 10 sec. 
Affects magical attacks at 40% effectiveness.

Avran_Sylt · July 2018

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Add Snare Immunity to Evasion (Base skill and morphs, 2s base).
Shuffle increases the Immunity duration per piece of Armor (0.5s per).
Elude grants Minor Expedition for the Duration.

Vapirko · July 2018

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Add Snare Immunity to Evasion (Base skill and morphs, 2s base).
Shuffle increases the Immunity duration per piece of Armor (0.5s per).
Elude grants Minor Expedition for the Duration.

This is interesting.

Millz · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Add Snare Immunity to Evasion (Base skill and morphs, 2s base).
Shuffle increases the Immunity duration per piece of Armor (0.5s per).
Elude grants Minor Expedition for the Duration.

That would be interesting for elude. Or maybe increased roll dodge redudction on elude. But shuffle needs 1 second per medium piece

Gprime31 · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

5 sec flat would be good enough.

Maura_Neysa · July 2018

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Shuffle IV
Target - Self
Cast - Instant
Duration - 12 seconds
Cost - 2009 stamina
Shroud yourself in mist to gain Major Evasion, which increases your dodge chance by 20% for 12 seconds.
While wearing Medium Armor, removes and grants immunity to snaring effects.
Increases snare immunity duration by .5 seconds for each piece of Medium Armor equipped up to 3.5 seconds.

Maura_Neysa · July 2018

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DDuke wrote: »

[*] The base skill is bland and not on par with other skills that grant Major Evasion: Blur is cheaper in comparison and grants the benefits of Assassination passives, Falcon's Swiftness grants Major Endurance on top of the Evasion, although it has shorter duration (and cost).
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@DDuke Falcon Swiftness grants Minor Evasion, not Shuffles Major Evasion

DDuke · July 2018

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Maura_Neysa wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

[*] The base skill is bland and not on par with other skills that grant Major Evasion: Blur is cheaper in comparison and grants the benefits of Assassination passives, Falcon's Swiftness grants Major Endurance on top of the Evasion, although it has shorter duration (and cost).
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@DDuke Falcon Swiftness grants Minor Evasion, not Shuffles Major Evasion

Oh snap - you're right... somehow got Expedition and Evasion mixed up in my brain. My bad.

barshemm · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

Honestly I would be fine with a cost reduction so we can use it as a snare removal.

Twohothardware · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

I think Shuffle should be buffed but Immovable for Heavy Armor needs to be as well. Major Resolve and Ward needs to be taken off the Immovable Skill and something else added because nobody is using this expensive skill.

BrokenGameMechanics · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

These things need some sort of base line to do some sort of quantifiable comparisons.

A simple 2-H skill offer like 2-3x longer.
Heavy Armor gives 5 secs base + 1/2 sec per piece.
I don't even want to know what some silly alchemy pot does in comparison. I remember it used to be like 45 secs. What is it now, like 20-25 or more? SMH
Rapids, immunity for 17 secs.

"Mobilize your forces, granting Major Expedition and Major Gallop to you and your allies, increasing Movement Speed by 40% and Mounted Speed by 40%.
Also grants immunity to snares and immobilizations.
The effect ends if you initiate an attack."

One thing I always wondered about is, does the effect ends if and only if the caster initiates an attack OR each individual loses it individually when they attack OR everyone loses it when any one person in the group initiates an attack.?

Why Medium Armor is so much less in relative comparison is a mystery.

Worse I had another thread recently where I had captures that "appeared" to show "Immobilized" while clearly my Immune counter was a 1. A number of people chimed in with Evasion/Shuffle immunity has never worked and everyone knows it. FWIW, they also said FM immunity works.

The experiment is to head out to Bleaks, Nikel, Sej and get sieged. Spam Evasion and run around on the front porch. For me I got CC'd many times before dying and I'm pretty darn sure my spam rate was well < 3 secs apart (was wearing 7 medium). Captures did not look right.

So two issues here. One get it to work regardless of the duration, cause if it doesn't work at all, who cares how long it doesn't work for??? Two get the duration to some reasonable duration based on what other skills offer.

Millz · July 2018

Increase to 1s per medium piece

BrokenGameMechanics wrote: »

These things need some sort of base line to do some sort of quantifiable comparisons.

A simple 2-H skill offer like 2-3x longer.
Heavy Armor gives 5 secs base + 1/2 sec per piece.
I don't even want to know what some silly alchemy pot does in comparison. I remember it used to be like 45 secs. What is it now, like 20-25 or more? SMH
Rapids, immunity for 17 secs.

"Mobilize your forces, granting Major Expedition and Major Gallop to you and your allies, increasing Movement Speed by 40% and Mounted Speed by 40%.
Also grants immunity to snares and immobilizations.
The effect ends if you initiate an attack."

One thing I always wondered about is, does the effect ends if and only if the caster initiates an attack OR each individual loses it individually when they attack OR everyone loses it when any one person in the group initiates an attack.?

Why Medium Armor is so much less in relative comparison is a mystery.

Worse I had another thread recently where I had captures that "appeared" to show "Immobilized" while clearly my Immune counter was a 1. A number of people chimed in with Evasion/Shuffle immunity has never worked and everyone knows it. FWIW, they also said FM immunity works.

The experiment is to head out to Bleaks, Nikel, Sej and get sieged. Spam Evasion and run around on the front porch. For me I got CC'd many times before dying and I'm pretty darn sure my spam rate was well < 3 secs apart (was wearing 7 medium). Captures did not look right.

So two issues here. One get it to work regardless of the duration, cause if it doesn't work at all, who cares how long it doesn't work for??? Two get the duration to some reasonable duration based on what other skills offer.

Could you link that thread? Also by cc'd do you mean actually cc'd or snared and immobilize because the 3 are differnt and retreating manuevers and shuffle and FM grant immunity to snares and immobilizations (roots). Not cc's!

Maura_Neysa · July 2018

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barshemm wrote: »

Honestly I would be fine with a cost reduction so we can use it as a snare removal.

That was my thought. You really shouldn't need to run Shuffle and Forward Momentum/Immovable. If its half the duration and half the cost then for the same immunity length then it still leaves counter play. Catch them in between. You can afford to cast it more often, but you still need to have the skill to keep it up. The reduced duration is actually for the middle tier player who needs a visual reminder, to help reinforce and teach them to rebuff

Maura_Neysa · July 2018

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Twohothardware wrote: »

I think Shuffle should be buffed but Immovable for Heavy Armor needs to be as well. Major Resolve and Ward needs to be taken off the Immovable Skill and something else added because nobody is using this expensive skill.

How about reduced effectiveness of snares/AoE effects/debuffs (similar to some of the Cryodiil Armor Sets)? Something that counters the idea of Area-of-Denial. Especially given the cancer of Meat Bag/Scatter Shot of Non_CP that is now coming to CP with the next patch?

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