Why would you nerf the damage of Solar Barrage?

FakeFox · July 2018

I think I don't need to tell anybody that Magplar isn't exactly meta, however they are performing decently well again in the Summerset patch. The DPS still is clearly behind other classes, but not so much that you can't play them.
I get the point of changing Solar Barrage into a instant cast. Having quite a few skills with channels significantly hurts Magplar in a light attack focused Meta and as class with good access to empower. So I apreciate the change to a instant cast a lot. But why would you reduce the damage? I don't think it would hurt anyone to just keep it the same as Magplar is slightly under performing in PvE DPS anyway and as far as I am aware Solar Barrage is not used in PvP.

Cadbury · July 2018

Was Solar Barrage ever considered OP to begin with? And yeah 40% does seem too high.

FakeFox · July 2018

Cadbury wrote: »

Was Solar Barrage ever considered OP to begin with? And yeah 40% does seem too high.

Well, it's currently your strongest skill if you consider damage and empower, but it's far from OP I think.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · July 2018

They could have just removed the cast time and have it pulse like the warden shalk. I just don't understand why templar cant have a badly needed cast time removal with out a brutal nerf on top of it.

Cadbury · July 2018

FakeFox wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

Was Solar Barrage ever considered OP to begin with? And yeah 40% does seem too high.

Well, it's currently your strongest skill if you consider damage and empower, but it's far from OP I think.

That's what I mean. All the more reason the damage nerf is a little excessive.

Millz · July 2018

They should do the same thing with wrecking blow @ZOS_GinaBruno

Azurya · July 2018

FakeFox wrote: »

I think I don't need to tell anybody that Magplar isn't exactly meta, however they are performing decently well again in the Summerset patch. The DPS still is clearly behind other classes, but not so much that you can't play them.
I get the point of changing Solar Barrage into a instant cast. Having quite a few skills with channels significantly hurts Magplar in a light attack focused Meta and as class with good access to empower. So I apreciate the change to a instant cast a lot. But why would you reduce the damage? I don't think it would hurt anyone to just keep it the same as Magplar is slightly under performing in PvE DPS anyway and as far as I am aware Solar Barrage is not used in PvP.

reading the patchnotes for PTS, it is all about decrease..................
they want longer fights to get someone/something killed..........
3 hours for vSO, longer for Asylum, Battlegrounds lasting 1-2 hours..........
sick

FakeFox · July 2018

Azurya wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

I think I don't need to tell anybody that Magplar isn't exactly meta, however they are performing decently well again in the Summerset patch. The DPS still is clearly behind other classes, but not so much that you can't play them.
I get the point of changing Solar Barrage into a instant cast. Having quite a few skills with channels significantly hurts Magplar in a light attack focused Meta and as class with good access to empower. So I apreciate the change to a instant cast a lot. But why would you reduce the damage? I don't think it would hurt anyone to just keep it the same as Magplar is slightly under performing in PvE DPS anyway and as far as I am aware Solar Barrage is not used in PvP.

reading the patchnotes for PTS, it is all about decrease..................
they want longer fights to get someone/something killed..........
3 hours for vSO, longer for Asylum, Battlegrounds lasting 1-2 hours..........
sick

Except for WW I guess. Really great new meta, loving it!

Koensol · July 2018

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

They could have just removed the cast time and have it pulse like the warden shalk. I just don't understand why templar cant have a badly needed cast time removal with out a brutal nerf on top of it.

Thats how it always goes with templar. Wrobel is so scares to aee magplar skills work comfortably, that every time something gets buffed, something else gets nerfed. I really don't know why they are so scared to buff templar.

Stibbons · July 2018

Damage on this spell is too low. They could Rune Cage it and add 5 second cc on first tick now.

Kadoozy · July 2018

I thought the same thing when I first saw that change. Like what? That isn't even needed at all.

Mureel · July 2018

FakeFox wrote: »

I think I don't need to tell anybody that Magplar isn't exactly meta, however they are performing decently well again in the Summerset patch. The DPS still is clearly behind other classes, but not so much that you can't play them.
I get the point of changing Solar Barrage into a instant cast. Having quite a few skills with channels significantly hurts Magplar in a light attack focused Meta and as class with good access to empower. So I apreciate the change to a instant cast a lot. But why would you reduce the damage? I don't think it would hurt anyone to just keep it the same as Magplar is slightly under performing in PvE DPS anyway and as far as I am aware Solar Barrage is not used in PvP.

Because templars aren't allowed to have nice things.

Mureel · July 2018

I'm still in 'what the what now?' Re the Rune change. Like thanks for giving us more of what we never asked for and don't need, in exchange for taking what we do want and need. Pffft.

It's lucky I've taught myself to just live without rune excepting certain fights.

FakeFox · July 2018

Stibbons wrote: »

Damage on this spell is too low. They could Rune Cage it and add 5 second cc on first tick now.

Yeah, would really help with PvE. Zmaja is really afraid of my CC.

TheNightflame · July 2018

templar light op against shadows

kypranb14_ESO · July 2018

Solar Barrage is very strong now if you time the cast right, which in PVP can be very difficult.

Having the freedom to cast it instantly even with the reduced damage is going to make this skill amazing. AoE damage pulses that stack with my jabs, burning light procs, and vampires bane?

Count me in.

Dracane · July 2018

They way I see it, they wanted to give templar a better ranged spammable spell.
It is instant cast now and similar to other ranged spammables, with the difference that it also automatically empoweres your next light attack weave by alot. Giving it it's own special thing.

Koensol · July 2018

Dracane wrote: »

They way I see it, they wanted to give templar a better ranged spammable spell.
It is instant cast now and similar to other ranged spammables, with the difference that it also automatically empoweres your next light attack weave by alot. Giving it it's own special thing.

Except it isn't ranged, but a 360 degrees AoE pulse.

danno8 · July 2018

Dracane wrote: »

They way I see it, they wanted to give templar a better ranged spammable spell.
It is instant cast now and similar to other ranged spammables, with the difference that it also automatically empoweres your next light attack weave by alot. Giving it it's own special thing.

This shows just how little known Solar Barrage is, that people just assume what is being talked about is Dark Flare.

My quick test shows that Barrage is about the equivalent of Blazing Spear now on DPS tests, without any synergy, but having the benefit of being PBAoE.

Lylith · July 2018

Azurya wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

I think I don't need to tell anybody that Magplar isn't exactly meta, however they are performing decently well again in the Summerset patch. The DPS still is clearly behind other classes, but not so much that you can't play them.
I get the point of changing Solar Barrage into a instant cast. Having quite a few skills with channels significantly hurts Magplar in a light attack focused Meta and as class with good access to empower. So I apreciate the change to a instant cast a lot. But why would you reduce the damage? I don't think it would hurt anyone to just keep it the same as Magplar is slightly under performing in PvE DPS anyway and as far as I am aware Solar Barrage is not used in PvP.

reading the patchnotes for PTS, it is all about decrease..................
they want longer fights to get someone/something killed..........
3 hours for vSO, longer for Asylum, Battlegrounds lasting 1-2 hours..........
sick

moar tedium.

just what we need.

Runefang · July 2018

I haven't tested as yet but I imagine despite the nerf to damage it'll be an overall buff to single target DPS.

Drdeath20 · July 2018

Does the empower stack with ele weapons?

If so and you can time it out right thats a pretty big buff

Silver_Strider · July 2018

It's a Templar skill, hence it must be nerfed.

You'd think that after years of nerfs, Templars would have learned to expect them to come every patch by now.

FakeFox · July 2018

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Does the empower stack with ele weapons?

If so and you can time it out right thats a pretty big buff

Empower increases the damage of your next light attack, this does not include secondary effects of that light attack like enchants or elemental weapon. So it doesn't matter which light attack gets empowered for PvE DPS, you just want as many empower procs as possible.

Thorstienn · July 2018

All I know is it ruins my Soulshine build. But hey, the game is pure LA these days.

daedemrwb17_ESO · July 2018

It got nerfed because each time it pulses it provides 40% bonus damage to light attacks which hit extremely hard now. The fact that every 2s you can get an empower buff while also doing DPS in an aoe is quite strong. Did you want that skill to do its full damage while also empowering?

FakeFox · July 2018

daedemrwb17_ESO wrote: »

It got nerfed because each time it pulses it provides 40% bonus damage to light attacks which hit extremely hard now. The fact that every 2s you can get an empower buff while also doing DPS in an aoe is quite strong. Did you want that skill to do its full damage while also empowering?

It does exactly that in Summerset currently and yes it is pretty strong, but Magplar desperately needs strong DPS Skills in PvE. But is it too strong? No, I don't think so.

Lord_Eomer · July 2018

FakeFox wrote: »

I think I don't need to tell anybody that Magplar isn't exactly meta, however they are performing decently well again in the Summerset patch. The DPS still is clearly behind other classes, but not so much that you can't play them.
I get the point of changing Solar Barrage into a instant cast. Having quite a few skills with channels significantly hurts Magplar in a light attack focused Meta and as class with good access to empower. So I apreciate the change to a instant cast a lot. But why would you reduce the damage? I don't think it would hurt anyone to just keep it the same as Magplar is slightly under performing in PvE DPS anyway and as far as I am aware Solar Barrage is not used in PvP.

ZOS hate Templars, just forget to press Del this patch

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2018

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

I think I don't need to tell anybody that Magplar isn't exactly meta, however they are performing decently well again in the Summerset patch. The DPS still is clearly behind other classes, but not so much that you can't play them.
I get the point of changing Solar Barrage into a instant cast. Having quite a few skills with channels significantly hurts Magplar in a light attack focused Meta and as class with good access to empower. So I apreciate the change to a instant cast a lot. But why would you reduce the damage? I don't think it would hurt anyone to just keep it the same as Magplar is slightly under performing in PvE DPS anyway and as far as I am aware Solar Barrage is not used in PvP.

ZOS hate Templars, just forget to press Del this patch

I've invested too much to ever hit 'Delete'. At worst it could always be a crafter with tons of achievements.

moonio · July 2018

It doesn't even add up, how can removal of the cast time equate to an increase of 40% damage??
No... just no..
Its more lik 20% of damage..
Do ZOS even understand basic maths?

FakeFox · July 2018

Update: I'm currently trying to properly test it on PTS, so far it seems to be maybe 1.5-2k DPS loss. But it's very hard to test, due to how bugged the PTS currently is. Vampire seems to not be working at all, making sustaining a dummy fight very hard without tweaking the build.
I will post screenshots or videos once I have consistent enough results to work with.